7 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Sounds like, perhaps, Howie had himself a nice draft, let Doug/Marty/Press Taylor have their way with 53, and then took some bullets for them in the PC.  That would explain his poor and defensive answers.  Pure speculation, but possible.

I hope the coaches don't F with Howie's offseason by committing to a WR depth chart that looks something like this:

Jeffery/Jackson/Reagor/Ward/JJAW.  Hightower inactive.  Watkins released preseason.  Goodwin released when Alshon gets healthy.

That would be....lazy isn't the right word.  But they would be crawling back into their old shell for familiarity and comfort.  

 

No chance that happens.  They changed their philosophy when it comes to overall team speed.  Almost every single player they drafted on both sides of the ball has speed.

42 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

I feel like that's wasting Wentz talents

1 minute ago, justrelax said:

Absolutely it's still part of the plan. The problem with the 12 personnel wasn't the two TEs; the problem was the other two or three receivers (depending on whether you keep a back in or not) were slow. Teams walked their safeties up and dared us to beat them deep and we couldn't. When you have seven defenders packed into an area no more than 20 yards deep the windows are small and even with completions the tacklers will be right there. Tough to run against that as well. You back those safeties out and the CBs giving bigger cushions and suddenly there's a lot more room in the intermediate zones and less run support.

What is the number assigned to a 2 QB formation?  🤔   200 (that's 2 QBs, 0 Rbs, 0 TEs)?   201 (2 QBs, 0 Rbs, 1 TE)?   202 (2 QBs, 0 Rbs, 2 TEs)?  

 

Do we anticipate any action today after 4:00 ?

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I feel like that's wasting Wentz talents

I think that depends on how they do that.

I'm going to speculate here.  I never gave Howie credit for the Wentz pick.  He deserves credit for the maneuvering to get to #2.  The selection...that was a franchise decision.  Doug, Reich, Lurie, Press Taylor, DeFillipo were all as much of that decision as Howie.

I think Doug and Press Taylor really pulled rank over their QB experience and their success with Wentz on this one...and Howie just said fine, do what you want with #53.

Howie is obsessed with value in the draft.  It's unlike him to go after a backup qb in round 2.

Just now, justrelax said:

Do we anticipate any action today after 4:00 ?

I'll check with the wife.  I'm always anticipating, but she's not always receptive.

3 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

No chance that happens.  They changed their philosophy when it comes to overall team speed.  Almost every single player they drafted on both sides of the ball has speed.

Is it possible Howie changed his philosophy while Doug has not?

3 hours ago, ManuManu said:

I agree with this. 

I get the thought process, but I kind of disagree. I think/hope that the Eagles are abandoning the traditional X, Y, Z WR. Especially in a heavy 2 TE set, I don't think that you need a traditional X receiver. 

1 minute ago, justrelax said:

Do we anticipate any action today after 4:00 ?

I'm happy with the state of the roster, but they better do something just so we have something to discuss.  

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

I'll check with the wife.  I'm always anticipating, but she's not always receptive.

Tut, tut. Social distancing.

4 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Absolutely it's still part of the plan. The problem with the 12 personnel wasn't the two TEs; the problem was the other two or three receivers (depending on whether you keep a back in or not) were slow. Teams walked their safeties up and dared us to beat them deep and we couldn't. When you have seven defenders packed into an area no more than 20 yards deep the windows are small and even with completions the tacklers will be right there. Tough to run against that as well. You back those safeties out and the CBs giving bigger cushions and suddenly there's a lot more room in the intermediate zones and less run support.

According to this report we’re going to deploy 2 QB formations, so you either drop a receiver or a RB. I just don’t see it yet, I’m no coach with a background but I stick with numbers and facts. The wildcat may have worked but it was short lived, so was the Vick/McNabb gimmick plays. 
 

It’s going to take me a while to believe this Hurts Swiss Army knife stuff, especially in a season where we have less time, less practice and more rookies involved. 

3 hours ago, Rhinoddd50 said:

Fair enough.

But just focusing on QB for a second, and taking the Eagles out of the discussion for a moment, where do you think Hurts was likely to be selected?

on my board? late round 4 at the earliest. 5th or 6th rd fine but i do not think he has the necessary traits to even be an adequate starter. time will tell.

 

7 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Jeffrey is done here. They aren't drafting three WR's and trading for Goodwin if he was in the plans.

The combined investment in Hightower/Watkins/Goodwin amounts to a late 4th round pick.  I want all 3 of them, but they could easily cut up to 2 of them.

4 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Do we anticipate any action today after 4:00 ?

kinda doubt it. Griffin is the only vet that interests me honestly if you can get him on a 1yr deal

22 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The general consensus and smart money is that only one of Watkins/Hightower or two of Watkins/Hightower/Goodwin make the team.  I'd really like to see them all make it.  Ward is insurance.  And I hate to continuously toss the poor guy's life around, but he's insurance that will be available to us week 8 if we need him then.  I really want to give both Watkins and Hightower an extended chance to turn into something.

We're going to go back and forth again.  Ward put more than enough on tape last year that if we cut him someone will pick him up.  Consider the fact that DeAndre Carter still has a role with the Texans.  I don't think Carter is half the player Ward is.  If the Eagles were swimming in WR talent sure it's easy to write him off.  The bottom line is outside of DJack in week 1, Ward was the Eagles best WR last year.  You don't just let that guy go assuming he will be available.  He proved he can play in the league.   I'm much more comfortable betting on him than 5th and 6th round picks just because they are fast.

5 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Do we anticipate any action today after 4:00 ?

This whole gimmick discussion reminds me of 2013 when Chip would insert Brad Smith at QB to run the wildcat or why. The most infuriating thing about that... Vick was available to do just that. 
 

Never understood why they’d put in Brad Smith when Vick would be able to do everything better. 

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Took me about 24 hours... 

Took me sobering up (hey, I scored Respado on Friday, that’s my excuse and I am sticking with it.).  I worry about Hurts’ ability at going through his receiver progression in the time necessary for the NFL.  That’s where I question the value, but he is likely a lot better QB than those on my list as developmental (Eason - who should have returned for his senior year, Stanley - even with his 59% completion rate and Tyler Huntley, who the Ravens got as a UDFA - good fit).  

Hurts changes the perspective of what the Eagles want at QB.  He is more of a Michael Vick than a Nick Foles.  

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The combined investment in Hightower/Watkins/Goodwin amounts to a late 4th round pick.  I want all 3 of them, but they could easily cut up to 2 of them.

Could come down to which one is the better punt returner. 

Can anyone here help me out? I'm trying to find article/video that really goes in depth and explains the schematic advantages of deploying a "Taysum Hill package." I want to dive into the stress points it creates for defenses. I've tried looking for various 2 QB philosophy articles, but everything I found was basically superficial. 

6 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The combined investment in Hightower/Watkins/Goodwin amounts to a late 4th round pick.  I want all 3 of them, but they could easily cut up to 2 of them.

Jeffrey was done here before they made that trade and three WR picks. Those moves only reinforce that. People are getting way too caught up in Howie bringing him up which is clearly ''GM speak.''

17 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

No chance that happens.  They changed their philosophy when it comes to overall team speed.  Almost every single player they drafted on both sides of the ball has speed.

Howie stated they went into the off season with 3 criteria for players:

1) Is he fast?

2) Is he injured, can he play?

3) Does he love playing the game?

 

The first 2 were pretty obvious issues the past 2 years, the last one tells me they have had this issue with heart. When asked about it, he deflected, but you could tell it was/is an issue. 

We can only speculate as to the "who" fell into that category. 

 

15 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Do we anticipate any action today after 4:00 ?

Hopefully a RB. It's the one position which remains a major need.

2 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Jeffrey was done here before they made that trade and three WR picks. Those moves only reinforce that. People are getting way too caught up in Howie bringing him up which is clearly ''GM speak.''

I don’t think Jeffrey being on his way out is a forgone conclusion.