15 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Is it possible Howie changed his philosophy while Doug has not?

That would be horrendous but I guess that is possible.  I just don't see it.

16 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Tut, tut. Social distancing.

What if we wear masks? 🤔

 

20 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Do we anticipate any action today after 4:00 ?

Well I don't get off work until around 6...

26 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Absolutely it's still part of the plan. The problem with the 12 personnel wasn't the two TEs; the problem was the other two or three receivers (depending on whether you keep a back in or not) were slow. Teams walked their safeties up and dared us to beat them deep and we couldn't. When you have seven defenders packed into an area no more than 20 yards deep the windows are small and even with completions the tacklers will be right there. Tough to run against that as well. You back those safeties out and the CBs giving bigger cushions and suddenly there's a lot more room in the intermediate zones and less run support.

This/\/\/\      And the past 3 years we relied on older Speed guys on the oustide , Torrey Smith, Wallace and Jackson, and Wallace and Jackson got hurt early on. Our Back up speed guy the past 2 years was supposed to be Mack Hollins. 

 

Doug isn't changing his offensive style, they are just making a commitment not to fall into the same issue for a 3rd year in a row. 

3 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

That would be horrendous but I guess that is possible.  I just don't see it.

We traded for Tate so that he could ride the bench...

16 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

kinda doubt it. Griffin is the only vet that interests me honestly if you can get him on a 1yr deal

Can he come in and fill that Chris Long role? 

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

They didn't draft Wentz's replacement. They drafted a guy they can develop, who can be a back up to Wentz for when Wentz gets hurt, and a guy they can possibly leverage the value down the road. 

🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

12 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Hopefully a RB. It's the one position which remains a major need.

I dont know about that.  I love Sanders and Scott together.  There will be a host of options for the 3rd spot at RB. 

3 hours ago, Green Dog said:

This is where I'm at as well.  But it's not up to us.

Who knows where Schwartz is with all this, though.

Can Schwartz actually develop 1 young Defensive Back ? Has he since he’s been here?

11 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

Can anyone here help me out? I'm trying to find article/video that really goes in depth and explains the schematic advantages of deploying a "Taysum Hill package." I want to dive into the stress points it creates for defenses. I've tried looking for various 2 QB philosophy articles, but everything I found was basically superficial. 

I dont know, and I cant for the life of me figure out why it matters if there are 2 QBs who can throw the ball on the field at once. It makes for less WRs to cover. It would seem to make things easier for the defense. 

In addition to that, say Wentz and Hurts are in the backfield for a shotgun snap, and Hurts gets the ball. Do we really want Wentz back there to block like a RB would in that situation? Hes going to take unnecessary hits, and he cant even throw the ball away to protect himself, because he wont have it. 

I could see if one QB was capable of playing WR where you throw him the ball on the edge and he can unload from there. That can change the stress on a defense.

The only way I can imagine 2 guys actually lining up at QB would work is if the QB with the ball bootlegs in one direction, while the other QB without the ball sprints out towards the opposite sideline. The QB with the ball could pass it to the QB2 in a sense flipping the field as in soccer. But those are going to be long developing plays. I dont even know what the WRs would be doing all that time. And I dont think itd be fun for an OL to block for that kind of play. Sounds like a nightmare. 

I dont know... Alabama did run 2 QB stuff with Hurts and Tua there but Hurts lined up in the slot in the one play I did see (and post in here). 

26 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Do we anticipate any action today after 4:00 ?

No, my wife claims to have a headache.

1 minute ago, Ialone said:

I dont know about that.  I love Sanders and Scott together.  There will be a host of options for the 3rd spot at RB. 

I love them too. Scott is a third down back though. If Sanders goes down they don't have a single guy who can carry the ball 15 or more times a game. Depth is a major issue as well. With Freeman, Hyde, and McCoy all out there and likely available on the cheap they would be wise to get one of them.

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

What if we wear masks? 🤔

Don't you always?

7 minutes ago, Ialone said:

Howie stated they went into the off season with 3 criteria for players:

1) Is he fast?

2) Is he injured, can he play?

3) Does he love playing the game?

 

The first 2 were pretty obvious issues the past 2 years, the last one tells me they have had this issue with heart. When asked about it, he deflected, but you could tell it was/is an issue. 

We can only speculate as to the "who" fell into that category. 

We can speculate... Agholor, Dillard, Jeffery, likely some more...

2 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

What did you think of the other NFCE drafts?  Giants took 3 OL and the rest all defensive players.  Outside of Saquon I really didn't think they were set at the skill positions

I like their two tackle choices. I love that the got a G and Dallas got a C that suck at pass protection.  

Maybe we are looking to go positionless at WR and have them all move around. I doubt that’s in the cards for 2020 though since we won’t have a normal offseason. Until that day comes, I’m going to assume we want speed at Z, a vertical slot, and a big, physical X. 

I see some people projecting Hightower and Reagor there, but based on our history and the traditional X, neither would fall in line. I also don’t think it would be using them at their best. 

The X typically is fixed to the LOS. They can not go in motion to free them up from press. Whether it’s quickness (Reagor certainly has that) or physicality, they will almost always have a CB directly over them to beat. 

The Z is at the end of the formation and have the right end typically covering up the tackle so they can be off the LOS or in motion. Obviously that gives them a free release and negates press coverage. You want your fastest guy there unless they’re great at beating press.

The slot goes without saying.

So looking at Hightower, I don’t think he has the quickness and certainly not the physicality to beat NFL corners head up on him. Watkins doesn’t. Reagor certainly could become that guy, but why bother giving teams the opportunity to disrupt his speed?

3 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

I love them too. Scott is a third down back though. If Sanders goes down they don't have a single guy who can carry the ball 15 or more times a game. Depth is a major issue as well. With Freeman, Hyde, and McCoy all out there and likely available on the cheap they would be wise to get one of them.

I really think Hyde makes sense on a 1 year deal to fill the larger back role.

7 minutes ago, Casey @ Bat said:

Can Schwartz actually develop 1 young Defensive Back ? Has he since he’s been here?

Is that Schwartz’s job? Or is is it more the position coach?

Did Doug Pederson develop Seumalo or Goedert? Of course not. His job is to scheme with what he has and to put them in the best position to succeed in conjunction with the rest of the unit. 

4 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Don't you always?

I wish you hadn't put that image in my head...

 

20 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I'm going to speculate here.  I never gave Howie credit for the Wentz pick.  He deserves credit for the maneuvering to get to #2.  The selection...that was a franchise decision.  Doug, Reich, Lurie, Press Taylor, DeFillipo were all as much of that decision as Howie.

I think Doug and Press Taylor really pulled rank over their QB experience and their success with Wentz on this one...and Howie just said fine, do what you want with #53.

Howie is obsessed with value in the draft.  It's unlike him to go after a backup qb in round 2.

It's possible they had a 1st round grade on him. One of the telling comparisons Howie made, however, was passing on Russell Wilson in 2012, because they thought Curry was a better value.  Surely the only way to interpret that pick is that Howie thought Hurts was a bit of a reach. I think Press Taylor and Doug liked the player and the pick.  I don't think Howie wanted to chance missing out on him in the 3rd round.  

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

I really think Hyde makes sense on a 1 year deal to fill the larger back role.

Good point, and I didn't even bring that up. They don't have a guy who can specialize in that 3rd and short / goal line situation. I love Sanders and want him to get the ball a ton. I love Scott in a Darren Sproles role. They desperately need someone who can run the ball 15 or more times a game though if Sanders were to get hurt. There is also a balance between going towards more of a one back system with Sanders, and asking him to do too much which takes time off of his career.

12 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

We can speculate... Agholor, Dillard, Jeffery, likely some more...

Hollins ....