14 minutes ago, Rhinoddd50 said:

Thought this was interesting from Albert Breer.  

If he is right the Eagles were also debating S Jeremy Chinn or RB JK Dobbins at #53, before deciding to go with Jalen Hurts.

I was not surprised to hear about Chinn (one of my preferred choices at #53), but I was surprised they may have been strongly considering using #53 on another RB.

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/04/27/monday-afternoon-quarterback-jacob-eason-jalen-hurts-draft

 

man I woulda been so pumped for Sanders/Dobbins backfield. wow!

But Im not even disappointed about having Hurts over him right now. 

Next year (assuming we wont draft Etienne) is all about Kadarius Toney.

3 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

I found it interesting that there’s some major cap savings starting 2021 if Carson is traded post June 1st. Could mean nothing of course...

 

I pointed this out yesterday and we as fans have every right to questions their motives and potential outcomes now despite them seeming crazy.  No one wants Carson gone and it would never have crossed our minds had they not drafted a quarterback in the 2nd round.  

What happens if we don't see any improvement and don't advance past round 1 of the playoffs the next few years?  What happens if Carson misses a few games here or there?  When do they say OK we gave it our shot now let's see what Hurts can do with this team.  Get as much as you can for a 30-31 year old Carson and hand the keys over to a 25 year old on half the contract.

It's all crazy talk we shouldn't even be discussing but we have to question things now.

7 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

I found it interesting that there’s some major cap savings starting 2021 if Carson is traded post June 1st. Could mean nothing of course...

 

oh jesus. dont even start people down that train of thought. Carson is not being traded. 

7 minutes ago, austinfan said:

If Mailata is healthy, he starts this year, even over Dillard.

Watching him last spring, he improved by leaps and bounds, he's bulked up (which is scary), he has tremendous length, smooth out his technique and he's a monster in the making.

Peters only needed one year to go from TE to starting OT, now he had more football experience, but not OL experience.

If you're a great athlete like Mailata, you can "fake it" the first couple years and still be better than most.

The real issue is whether the back was a tweak or something serious that could hinder him long-term.

I very much doubt that Mailata starts unless Dillard sh**s the bed.
 

And comparing Peters transition from life long football player who knew every rule, technique, strategy, tactic and nuance to a kid who had never seen a game until right before the draft is a pretty useless analogy.

That said, Jordan definitely has a chance to succeed in this league. He could be an all-pro 2 years from now — it wouldn’t shock me. But I think getting hurt last year was a real setback. More than anything this kid needs practice reps and live action. I’m really hoping we can dish some blowouts this year and hopefully get the kid on the field. That’s the real problem: you can’t trust him to play meaningful games because he’s so raw but he can’t develop without playing in real games.

Its times like these that I wish the NFL had a farm system like soccer or baseball.

12 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

I found it interesting that there’s some major cap savings starting 2021 if Carson is traded post June 1st. Could mean nothing of course...

 

LMFAO at that targeted ad!   

Im just going to drop a little anecdote here. Means a whole lot of nothing but my friend who is an Oklahoma fan texted me after the Hurts pick. I told him how people were freaking out and he said "This is why Id never be a good NFL talent evaluator but in my opinion Ive thought Hurts was better than Kyler Murray who got drafted 1st overall."

Just 1 guys opinion. But interesting to hear. Hes generally not a hot take guy. But typically would try to bust chops and twist the dagger more about something dumb the eagles did. But, instead he offered that up. Take that with a grain of salt of course.

8 minutes ago, austinfan said:

If Mailata is healthy, he starts this year, even over Dillard.

Watching him last spring, he improved by leaps and bounds, he's bulked up (which is scary), he has tremendous length, smooth out his technique and he's a monster in the making.

Peters only needed one year to go from TE to starting OT, now he had more football experience, but not OL experience.

If you're a great athlete like Mailata, you can "fake it" the first couple years and still be better than most.

The real issue is whether the back was a tweak or something serious that could hinder him long-term.

Hyperbole much. 

Peters had plenty of experience blocking like a sixth OL on that Arkansas team. They did that when the ran Cedric Cobb. I thought Cobb would do well in the NFL but he bombed. IIRC the T Peters was lined up next to at Arkansas most frequently was some guy named Shawn Andrews. That really puts into perspective Peters longevity. 

20 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

The Dobbins/Chinn note just tells me those were probably the top two players rated on their board at 53 - which makes sense. Both would have been a good pick. Chinn more of a need and Dobbins more of a luxury. But good drafting teams don't bass up on good players. Hopefully, Hurts works out...

Chinn has great athleticism but success in the NFL is a projection at this time.  

20 minutes ago, austinfan said:

If Mailata is healthy, he starts this year, even over Dillard.

Wow and I get criticized for hot takes. 

I personally don’t quite get this "QB Factory” thinking...if Hurts was brought in as (partly) future trade value, and you are planning on using him as a gadget QB for a few plays per game, how on earth is he going to develop into multi draft pick trade value?

Is any team realistically going to give any meaningful draft capital for a backup QB who predominantly only takes 60 or so snaps a season, and consequently can’t cultivate any skills he may have as a QB...

I just don’t get it...

14 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

man I woulda been so pumped for Sanders/Dobbins backfield. wow!

But Im not even disappointed about having Hurts over him right now. 

Next year (assuming we wont draft Etienne) is all about Kadarius Toney.

I think that woulda gave us the most dynamic 1-2 punch in the league. But the rich get richer by him going to Baltimore. 
Ingram, Edwards, Hill and now Dobbins. Just not fair. 

3 minutes ago, EagleTen said:

I personally don’t quite get this "QB Factory” thinking...if Hurts was brought in as (partly) future trade value, and you are planning on using him as a gadget QB for a few plays per game, how on earth is he going to develop into multi draft pick trade value?

Is any team realistically going to give any meaningful draft capital for a backup QB who predominantly only takes 60 or so snaps a season, and consequently can’t cultivate any skills he may have as a QB...

I just don’t get it...

Hill got 220 snaps last season. The saints just gave him $10.5M per season. And the Eagles supposedly plan to use Hurts "like Hill on steroids.”

So, yeah, I think if he does what he’s capable of doing in a role where he gets several hundred snaps per season, he could absolutely be worth major draft compensation. 

3 minutes ago, EagleTen said:

I personally don’t quite get this "QB Factory” thinking...if Hurts was brought in as (partly) future trade value, and you are planning on using him as a gadget QB for a few plays per game, how on earth is he going to develop into multi draft pick trade value?

Is any team realistically going to give any meaningful draft capital for a backup QB who predominantly only takes 60 or so snaps a season, and consequently can’t cultivate any skills he may have as a QB...

I just don’t get it...

I don't know if they're so much thinking about the return they may get for Hurts in a trade in the future.

I think they see Hurts as a cost-effective backup QB on a team with a QB who had ended the last 3 seasons on the sideline.

I also think Hurts was the best player on their board at 53...

I don't agree with the resource allocation. It's just what I think their thinking is.

2 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

I don't know if they're so much thinking about the return they may get for Hurts in a trade in the future.

I think they see Hurts as a cost-effective backup QB on a team with a QB who had ended the last 3 seasons on the sideline.

I also think Hurts was the best player on their board at 53...

I don't agree with the resource allocation. It's just what I think their thinking is.

I agree with you that this might have been their thinking, but the stupid "Quarterback Factory" comment still drives me crazy.

I'm wondering how fans would have reacted to a Dobbins selection at #53?

As Pick #53 was approaching, the position I would have guessed the Eagles would never draft was a QB

The position I would have next guessed they would never draft a player at that high would have been RB.

I was wrong on both counts.

Interesting insight for me though into their mindset.

Reagor better show more then Jefferson and Aiyuk. Both went shortly after him. I liked both more but Reagor does look good in his own right. He just has to be better. Minnesota picked Jefferson so fast right after us it was pretty funny. We can’t afford to have another JJ type situation on our hands. Though I can’t see Reagor being that bad but I could easily see receivers going right after him having more success which would not look good. 

Again, this is just my own personal thinking, and there’s zero evidence for it, but picking Hurts at that point says (to me) more about the Eagles thoughts on Wentz than anything...

I have to think that the Eagles have more concerns over Wentz and his future with the team than is obvious right now...just my personal thinking...

5 minutes ago, Rhinoddd50 said:

I'm wondering how fans would have reacted to a Dobbins selection at #53?

As Pick #53 was approaching, the position I would have guessed the Eagles would never draft was a QB

The position I would have next guessed they would never draft a player at that high would have been RB.

I was wrong on both counts.

Interesting insight for me though into their mindset.

No one in here was on board with a RB in round 2. 

They would have hated it.  Never knowing what would have almost happened would be like 5x worse.

6 minutes ago, Rhinoddd50 said:

I'm wondering how fans would have reacted to a Dobbins selection at #53?

As Pick #53 was approaching, the position I would have guessed the Eagles would never draft was a QB

The position I would have next guessed they would never draft a player at that high would have been RB.

I was wrong on both counts.

Interesting insight for me though into their mindset.

I would have loved Dobbins.  RB is a sneaky need.  To get one of the best at 53 to pair with Sanders.  Look out.  I preferred WR or S but one of the best running backs would have been huge.

I think as fans we need to get comfortable with the fact that Wentz mite not be the QB of this team come 2022...hate to see it but you just don’t draft a QB that early unless you plan on making him the starter 

There are so many positions and were so many players I’d have been happy with them selecting at #53 that would be 2020 starters and have an impact on the season...

Clipboard holding is not, I believe, a skill position!

14 minutes ago, Rhinoddd50 said:

I'm wondering how fans would have reacted to a Dobbins selection at #53?

As Pick #53 was approaching, the position I would have guessed the Eagles would never draft was a QB

The position I would have next guessed they would never draft a player at that high would have been RB.

I was wrong on both counts.

Interesting insight for me though into their mindset.

I like Dobbins the player quite a bit, but it certainly wouldn’t have been my first choice. I liked Perine later or a trade for Breida at RB. He only went for a 5th rounder... I thought we were pretty much fine there at RB and Dobbins wouldn’t be necessary considering all the other positions that are lacking.

In round 2 I was hoping they targeted someone in a trade up 4-10 slots. I would have loved one of the CB’s Johnson or Diggs to pair with Slay. S Chinn or LB’s Gay Jr. or Wilson woulda been fine as well, even if they traded back a few for one. Mims possibly as well. 

Just now, EagleTen said:

There are so many positions and were so many players I’d have been happy with them selecting at #53 that would be 2020 starters and have an impact on the season...

Clipboard holding is not, I believe, a skill position!

but he's a good teammate

I just love it when they score a teammate TD 🙂

4 minutes ago, EagleTen said:

Again, this is just my own personal thinking, and there’s zero evidence for it, but picking Hurts at that point says (to me) more about the Eagles thoughts on Wentz than anything...

I have to think that the Eagles have more concerns over Wentz and his future with the team than is obvious right now...just my personal thinking...

I think that’s certainly an important part of it.

Really though, I think you have to look at it in a wholistic manner. You save $5M compared to a veteran backup. You get quality depth in case Wentz is hurt. You get a guy who can actually do some damage even with Wentz healthy and allow the team to be creative and innovative. You have a chance to recoup or even gain value on your investment via a trade. The personality is also a perfect fit because, much like Foles, Hurts is a consummate team player and professional in his approach.

That’s a lot of things that I think came together that led to the pick. Wentz’s health being one of the more important ones, but I don’t think that alone was the deciding factor. For instance, if Hurts wasn’t known as being a team oriented player, I don’t think they make this move.