12 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

Reagor better show more then Jefferson and Aiyuk. Both went shortly after him. I liked both more but Reagor does look good in his own right. He just has to be better. Minnesota picked Jefferson so fast right after us it was pretty funny. We can’t afford to have another JJ type situation on our hands. Though I can’t see Reagor being that bad but I could easily see receivers going right after him having more success which would not look good. 

He doesn't have to be better, he just has to do what he's supposed to do, be an explosive player who stretches the field.

Apples and oranges, with Ertz, Goedert and JJAW, we didn't need another over the middle guy, we needed someone who forces safeties to play honest.

As long as he can fill that role, along with Djax, Reagor can catch 40 balls while Jefferson catches 70, and Reagor is still the better pick for the Eagles.

5 minutes ago, Fhalbig22 said:

I think as fans we need to get comfortable with the fact that Wentz mite not be the QB of this team come 2022...hate to see it but you just don’t draft a QB that early unless you plan on making him the starter 

There are only two ways of getting a top backup, pay a lot to a veteran and hope his expiration date doesn't arrive, or draft a QB.

The odds of landing a top backup outside the 2nd round are slim.

The advantage of Hurts is he can do other things on the field while he learns on the job.

But you don't replace Wertz with #53, look at GB drafting a replacement for Rodgers.

59 minutes ago, austinfan said:

We do have Perkins, not sure he can block at FB though.

Kinda see JJAW as a better version of Perkins, a WR/H-back tweener who can be used in both roles.

The advantage of versatility is you can line up with different packages week to week, depending on the team you're facing and their weak spots on defense.

I thought with Scangarello coming from the Shanny tree that he might want a FB. He used one in Denver. 

31 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Hyperbole much. 

Peters had plenty of experience blocking like a sixth OL on that Arkansas team. They did that when the ran Cedric Cobb. I thought Cobb would do well in the NFL but he bombed. IIRC the T Peters was lined up next to at Arkansas most frequently was some guy named Shawn Andrews. That really puts into perspective Peters longevity. 

TEs rarely block starting NFL defensive ends, they might chip them as a double team.

Watching Mailata, the reason I think if he continues to progress (of course, that may be an issue this year) is when he got beat, his reach is so long he can recover, if Dillard gets beat or bullrushed, game over. So Mailata doesn't have to be a finished product to be highly effective, just keep climbing the learning curve.

This will be his third year in a NFL camp, so while he's inexperienced, he's no longer raw as sushi.

 

My argument is that for a rookie drafted QB to become a top QB, he has to play...in actual NFL games, and for more than the occasional gadget snap.

He isn’t going to progress by simply taking 2nd team practice reps...he’ll go nowhere doing that. He is only going to improve by playing actual NFL games at NFL speed...and (assuming Wentz isn’t hurt) are they going to sit a healthy Wentz to give Hurts game experience? not a chance...

So, Hurts really only improves (to starting calibre QB level) if Wentz is injured long term? that’s what I just don’t get...but maybe it’s just me being stupid...it’s almost like they are expecting Wentz to be unavailable for a significant amount of time, for whatever reason.

Really like Dobbins, but I would have hated the pick. Would have been surprised by Chinn because of all the injuries he had.

 

6 minutes ago, EagleTen said:

My argument is that for a rookie drafted QB to become a top QB, he has to play...in actual NFL games, and for more than the occasional gadget snap.

He isn’t going to progress by simply taking 2nd team practice reps...he’ll go nowhere doing that. He is only going to improve by playing actual NFL games at NFL speed...and (assuming Wentz isn’t hurt) are they going to sit a healthy Wentz to give Hurts game experience? not a chance...

So, Hurts really only improves (to starting calibre QB level) if Wentz is injured long term? that’s what I just don’t get...but maybe it’s just me being stupid...it’s almost like they are expecting Wentz to be unavailable for a significant amount of time, for whatever reason.

Rodgers sat for 3 years and he’s the most talented QB I’ve ever seen. 

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Not at all on the same level but considering they haven't issued Shady's #25 since he's been gone but they give 36 to scrubs it's strange.  Dawk is an All-Timer, probably the best Eagle ever no question about it.  Just stating that the guy who some argue is the teams best running back has his number handed out is odd looking.

Westbrook has been gone longer than Shady.  As for the best running back in team history, that number has already been retired.

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Really like Dobbins, but I would have hated the pick. Would have been surprised by Chinn because of all the injuries he had.

 

Dobbins was my 2nd favorite pick at that spot. My top one was Terrell Lewis who didn’t go until round 3 I believe. 

37 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

I don't know if they're so much thinking about the return they may get for Hurts in a trade in the future.

I think they see Hurts as a cost-effective backup QB on a team with a QB who had ended the last 3 seasons on the sideline.

I also think Hurts was the best player on their board at 53...

I don't agree with the resource allocation. It's just what I think their thinking is.

I don't buy the "cost effective backup" unless they are completely revamping the offense.

They will still have Suds this year and undoubtedly will bring a vet next year as Hurts won't be ready then due to shortened off-season/season this year.

I would think they would rather bring in a vet to teach things to Wentz than the other way around. Seems to have worked pretty well thus far.

Many of our best players "prime" windows are closing and Hurts isn't going to helping the team much until year 3, IMO.

 

3 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Schwartz doesn’t do that, Undlin did.  I do wonder at the inconsistency in what was being looked at by Undlin and Schwartz.  Undlin did a great job with getting some scrubs to be just good enough to get us by.  James and Leblanc are still here from that group.  I am real hopeful Manuel does better with that. Glad Dino Vasso is here and with a more pronounced role. His film cuts of WR tendencies got strong praise. Glad Jones is working with a guru this offseason.  For Jones to take the next step, he has to realize his skill set isn’t enough in the NFL.  He has to play smart, read tendencies and nuances. Maddox too.  Sure hope they have a camp.  Put Slay on anybody but DJax and Reagor.  One thing I like about Reagor is he has some refined feints and jukes.  What Vasso needs to do us record those and show them to Jones, Maddox, Wallace and Mills.  Play Asante sharp.  Hopefully in this virtual world, that is something Vasso and Manuel are putting together for Phase II offseason for the DBs to take home and study.  

I’m sure I’m in the minority... but I think Sidney Jones has some ability. Still holding out hope. 

1 minute ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Rodgers sat for 3 years and he’s the most talented QB I’ve ever seen. 

I totally get the concept of drafting a QB for the future...but Favre was like 34 or 35 at the time they got Rodgers...I just don’t get it when you have a 28 year old franchise QB who you have spent major draft and cap capital on...

1 hour ago, greendestiny27 said:

I found it interesting that there’s some major cap savings starting 2021 if Carson is traded post June 1st. Could mean nothing of course...

 

That’s not really cap savings though. Almost all of that $25.4M would be dead money in 2022

Semi off topic. 
 

But there was a guy named Demetress Bell who played OT for the Eagles in 2012. Apparently they gave him a decent contract but was cut after he couldn’t stay healthy. I don’t remember this guy at all. Was drafted by the Bills in 08. 
 

Apparently his mom had him when she was 13. His biological father.... a 20 year old Karl Malone. How the hell am I just learning this now?! 

Just now, EaglePhan1986 said:

Semi off topic. 
 

But there was a guy named Demetress Bell who played OT for the Eagles in 2012. Apparently they gave him a decent contract but was cut after he couldn’t stay healthy. I don’t remember this guy at all. Was drafted by the Bills in 08. 
 

Apparently his mom had him when she was 13. His biological father.... a 20 year old Karl Malone. How the hell am I just learning this now?! 

Consider yourself lucky. He was f’ing terrible 

49 minutes ago, Rhinoddd50 said:

I'm wondering how fans would have reacted to a Dobbins selection at #53?

As Pick #53 was approaching, the position I would have guessed the Eagles would never draft was a QB

The position I would have next guessed they would never draft a player at that high would have been RB.

I was wrong on both counts.

Interesting insight for me though into their mindset.

I could see Dobbins as the BPA though.   A lot of folks are worked up over Mims being there and them passing on him.   Meh... he was the guy I least wanted of that group of WRs to go in Rounds 1 & 2.  

2 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Semi off topic. 
 

But there was a guy named Demetress Bell who played OT for the Eagles in 2012. Apparently they gave him a decent contract but was cut after he couldn’t stay healthy. I don’t remember this guy at all. Was drafted by the Bills in 08. 
 

Apparently his mom had him when she was 13. His biological father.... a 20 year old Karl Malone. How the hell am I just learning this now?! 

Wow I don't recall the Karl Malone part of the story, just remember him being highly touted as the next JP and was brought in because of JP's achillies.

46 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

Reagor better show more then Jefferson and Aiyuk. Both went shortly after him. I liked both more but Reagor does look good in his own right. He just has to be better. Minnesota picked Jefferson so fast right after us it was pretty funny. We can’t afford to have another JJ type situation on our hands. Though I can’t see Reagor being that bad but I could easily see receivers going right after him having more success which would not look good. 

There's a good chance Jefferson will have better numbers. He's probably going to be a volume receiver, kind of like Jordan Matthews during his first stint here. Due to Reagor's skillset, his fit is much better for us and will have a bigger impact on other players. But if someone is hell-bent on comparing the two through a fantasy football lens, they might end up disappointed.

4 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

That’s not really cap savings though. Almost all of that $25.4M would be dead money in 2022

Correct. From what I'm looking at, there's a 2022 "out" for the club. There would be a dead cap of $24M or so that year, but they would be off the record for any cap penalties after that.

Not that it matters, of course, because Carson is going nowhere. Just helping to provide factual contract information.

12 minutes ago, Casey @ Bat said:

I’m sure I’m in the minority... but I think Sidney Jones has some ability. Still holding out hope. 

I think he has ability... but... he's yet to put it all together, and he's running out of time.

7 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Consider yourself lucky. He was f’ing terrible 

I know JP popped his Achilles working out and Kelce went down week 2 so the o-line was in shambles that year. For whatever reason I thought Herremans was LT. 

3 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Easy, cut JJAW and open 19 up.  There's one.  I've said it numerous times in the past I wish they would do away with retiring numbers.  Have an honorary patch if you want to wear 20 or 92 or whatever but to have over 10% of the numbers available not actually available is silly.  Ring of Honor, patch or helmet sticker and call it a day.  

I couldn't agree more. There are only 8, 90's numbers available. There are limited numbers as it is and Lurie won't let 12, 25, and 87 get handed out even though those numbers aren't even retired. It's kind of silly.

44 minutes ago, austinfan said:

There are only two ways of getting a top backup, pay a lot to a veteran and hope his expiration date doesn't arrive, or draft a QB.

The odds of landing a top backup outside the 2nd round are slim.

The advantage of Hurts is he can do other things on the field while he learns on the job.

But you don't replace Wertz with #53, look at GB drafting a replacement for Rodgers.

If that’s what you want to believe then ok, but it’s not what the organization is portraying, I don’t wentz gone but it seems that’s where it’s heading 

27 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Westbrook has been gone longer than Shady.  As for the best running back in team history, that number has already been retired.

You liked Leroy Keyes that much, huh?

2 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

You liked Leroy Keyes that much, huh?

Look, when you win the last game of the year to miss out on a HoF RB, your back up plan had better be good.  So, yeah...