11 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I know JP popped his Achilles working out and Kelce went down week 2 so the o-line was in shambles that year. For whatever reason I thought Herremans was LT. 

Herremans was RT but only lasted half the year. The left side was the "strongest” since Mathis was at LG and played generally well, but the line was an absolute disaster. Bell was good for like two penalties and two sacks allowed per game.

1 hour ago, EagleTen said:

There are so many positions and were so many players I’d have been happy with them selecting at #53 that would be 2020 starters and have an impact on the season...

Clipboard holding is not, I believe, a skill position!

The most reasonable contingency plan towards a #2 QB is that you’ll see from Wentz for the next 10-12 years exactly what you’ve seen for the first 4 — top 10 level play but the high risk he will be unable to be in the lineup occasionally.  That makes the #2 QB position very important.

The Eagles have long touted the philosophy of developing QBs behind Wentz.  They tried a 5th round guy in Thorson — not nearly good enough.  They’ve had a 6th round guy in Sudfeld who they are not totally on board with.  Now they are investing higher in a #2 QB prospect who has much higher upside to develop

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

There are only two ways of getting a top backup, pay a lot to a veteran and hope his expiration date doesn't arrive, or draft a QB.

The odds of landing a top backup outside the 2nd round are slim.

The advantage of Hurts is he can do other things on the field while he learns on the job.

But you don't replace Wertz with #53, look at GB drafting a replacement for Rodgers.

Where do you get this stuff from?

There are 32 #2 qbs in the nfl every year. How many of them were drafted in the 2nd round by their current team with intent to be a backup?

Just my take on it, but Eagles seem to always want to emulate the Patriots in almost every way. This QB situation feels more of the same, but with the Eagles blowing a 5th on Thorson they over corrected themselves. I’m sure they will have some kind of special trick play package for him but all this talk about 2 QB offense and lining up at RB feel like damage control. 

Would Eagles fans rather have Jeremy Chinn and Jake Fromm, or K'von Wallace and Jalen Hurts.

Interesting nugget from Spads...

In the slot, the Eagles figure to have good competition with Nickell Robey-Coleman, one of the league's best, battling with Cre'Von LeBlanc and maybe rookie K'Von Wallace, depending on where Jim Schwartz decides to look at Wallace. I guess Jalen Mills is also a candidate as he's been a starter and has played well, but if the Eagles want to expand his role into the safety spot ... that's another situation that, with maybe no on-field work in the spring, is very tenuous. You wonder how much experimenting Schwartz can do with limited practice reps to go around.

Just now, T-1000 said:

Would Eagles fans rather have Jeremy Chinn and Jake Fromm, or K'von Wallace and Jalen Hurts.

Wallace and Hurts. Fromm sucks. 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Interesting nugget from Spads...

In the slot, the Eagles figure to have good competition with Nickell Robey-Coleman, one of the league's best, battling with Cre'Von LeBlanc and maybe rookie K'Von Wallace, depending on where Jim Schwartz decides to look at Wallace. I guess Jalen Mills is also a candidate as he's been a starter and has played well, but if the Eagles want to expand his role into the safety spot ... that's another situation that, with maybe no on-field work in the spring, is very tenuous. You wonder how much experimenting Schwartz can do with limited practice reps to go around.

Wallace and Hurts. Fromm sucks. 

Fromm was the last QB worth anything still available at 127.

1 minute ago, T-1000 said:

Fromm was the last QB worth anything still available at 127.

I don’t think he’s worth anything though. 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I don’t think he’s worth anything though. 

I didn't like any of the QB's in the draft after Hurts, and to be honest I liked Hurts more than Love. I still wouldn't have taken him at 53 but I do like the player. I think this was a pretty lousy draft for QB's.

2 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

I didn't like any of the QB's in the draft after Hurts, and to be honest I liked Hurts more than Love. I still wouldn't have taken him at 53 but I do like the player. I think this was a pretty lousy draft for QB's.

I said the other day that I was interested in Hurts when I thought he was a middle round pick. Once I saw second-round projections I was out, because why would a team with a young Pro Bowl QB even consider a QB that high?

3 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

I didn't like any of the QB's in the draft after Hurts, and to be honest I liked Hurts more than Love. I still wouldn't have taken him at 53 but I do like the player. I think this was a pretty lousy draft for QB's.

Agreed. I think this class goes down as unremarkable 

 

I guess if u can’t get lamb, u go get the guy who was throwing to him 

Lost in the euphoria of drafting fast wide receivers and the confusion of picking Hurts, Prince Tego Wanogho was a helluva selection. I assume the reason more people aren’t ecstatic over the selection is the assumption that he must be damaged goods. Perhaps like Ajayi he’s destined for a short career, but even if he’s only a one-contract player he has a chance to be better than Vaitai, which is a home run in round 6. 

If we get really lucky, we have a player to push Dillard. 

46 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Where do you get this stuff from?

There are 32 #2 qbs in the nfl every year. How many of them were drafted in the 2nd round by their current team with intent to be a backup?

How many of the 32 could go in and win 3 playoff games like Foles had to do in 2017, or win in CHI and play well enough to win in NO in 2018 like Foles did, or win the WC game against SEA last year like McCown couldn’t?

I don’t see how anyone can try to argue that the Eagles don’t need a high caliber #2 — Sudfeld ain’t it.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

Where do you get this stuff from?

There are 32 #2 qbs in the nfl every year. How many of them were drafted in the 2nd round by their current team with intent to be a backup?

How many would you trust to take you to the playoffs if your starting QB goes down?

Alphagrand beat me to it.

On 4/27/2020 at 3:54 AM, Giddyunc said:

You're going to think that this is a shot at you, but it's really not. For all I know, you might have a PhD in Political Philosophy. 

A lot of people in this country are lacking a basic understanding of civics. This topic is too complicated and requires too much explanation to adequately address on a football message board, but I'm going to lay out some basics.

People don't support States Rights because they support racism or slavery. They support States Rights because it encompasses the founding philosophy of this country; the founding philosophy that separates the United States from the rest of the world. Our country was founded with the belief that government is evil. When we give people power over other individuals (which is essentially what government is), the people in power will often times abuse their position. However, we recognized that government is also necessary. We need government to do things for the collective good. So how do we reconcile the fact that government (people with power over other individuals) is a necessary evil? We do that by restricting, or limiting, the power of government. States Rights epitomizes that idea.

The best way to explain it is with a hypothetical thought experiment. Come up with any issue or problem that can exist in life. Now ask yourself this: can this problem/issue be addressed without the help from government? If the answer is yes, then government is restricted from having a role in said issue. Let's say the answer is no. An individual alone can't address said issue. The next question is, can your local government address the issue? If yes, the State and Federal government should have no jurisdiction over that issue. If the local government can't, then it falls under the jurisdiction of the State government. Only problems/issues that the individual, the local government, and the State government can't handle should fall under the jurisdiction of the federal government. On every level, we LIMIT the government's power. We restrict the power, because we recognize that despite being an entity that can do good, government has shown over the history of man that it can, and WILL, be abused. 

People like to point to slavery as a way to dismiss States Rights. Ironically, it illustrates why we need it. Slavery showed how people with power over other individuals (government) can abuse their position for horrible purposes. Humans are capable of atrocities. Our Founders recognized this and created a system (from which we greatly strayed) that LIMITS how much power one individual can have over another. 

There's obviously a lot more to States Rights than just this, but this is just the basic concept of the theory that unfortunately has been lost on our society. Civics is dead.  

So in other words there is no correlation ? Come now

 

On 4/27/2020 at 3:57 AM, hputenis said:

So much emotion in here after this draft!  Here's why I'm very optimistic about how this offense will look next year:

1) Eagles legitimately had 0 deep threats for all of 2018, 15 regular season games and the playoff game in 2019.  I'm still blown away on how productive Ertz and Goedert have been operating in minimal space while DBs all cheated up due to lack of speed......not to mention JJAW was literally running into them at times during his routes. Imagine the production and YAC from those 2 (maybe not YAC with Ertz) with safeties having no choice but to respect the deep ball.

2) The year we won the SB was the last time we had a deep threat, and he was extremely mediocre in Torrey Smith.  But he did just enough that defenses had to respect him, and that enabled the offense to run like a well-oiled machine.  We don't really even need these speedsters to be elite, although that would be fantastic.  We just need them to do their job, create separation, and keep DBs honest at all times.  And currently, we have 5 on the roster with that specific skill set (maybe 6 actually if Shelton Gibson is still on the team, but I can't count him).  If even 2 of the 5 (I'm including Desean in this) are able to produce adequately in that role, this offense will be unstoppable.  This will completely change the way defenses will have to defend us.  Carson will be able to survey the field properly, go through his progressions, and get rid of the ball much quicker since the receivers and tight ends will actually have more than 1 inch of separation.  

2018 and 2019 I would liken it to playing left handed when you are a rightie, 10 1/4 vs 11. Really virtually closed the playbook. Lack of scoring and less TOP put stress on the D. Pretty confident in Reagor and that DJax has to be pretty healthy this yr. aren't the odds in our favor. Expect that at least one of Hightower, Goodwin or Quez will be decent. Having a viable deep threat will give the appearance of night vs day in comparison to the last 2 seasons, more control. 

23 minutes ago, The guy in France said:

So in other words there is no correlation ? Come now

 

What has no correlation?

On 4/27/2020 at 4:30 AM, justrelax said:

Past being prologue, we couldn’t be expected to win SBLII either. History was agin it. There have been plenty of late round picks who have excelled as WRs. UDFAs too, 

Seems to be entirely based on the " Eagles " past history. That guy should become a scientist when he grows up ... but not a statistician 

 

On 4/27/2020 at 4:37 AM, Connecticut Eagle said:

The depth of the draft at WR pushed 4th round talent later into day 3.

Also, just need one of Hightower, Watkins, and Goodwin to stick.

Need 2 in case of injuries and I’m not that high on Ward and I don’t think they are, he is filler 

 

40 minutes ago, The guy in France said:

Need 2 in case of injuries and I’m not that high on Ward and I don’t think they are, he is filler 

 

I think he is more than filler. He showed lat year he can produce in the NFL so I think he deserves to be on the roster even if it isn't as a starter.

On 4/27/2020 at 5:29 AM, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Can tell you inside information From the Arizona coaches and friend who covers the football and basketball team for 24/7 i know.  he was a pain in the a$$ here. When rich rod got fired and the new coaching staff came in they got irritated with him super fast. It’s why he got benched at times for gunnell this past year. I can tell you they said he was "injured” he really wasn’t injured that bad where he couldn’t play they just were over his attitude. he would refuse to run due to his people Around him not wanting him to get hurt before the draft  It’s why you saw his rushing attempts go down and down since 2017. Additionally the OC Mazzone and him really got into it with one another cause tate refused to listen to him. He also regressed as a QB. He needs to be converted into a WR he’s not capable of reading defenses. He has a big arm though  but really his accuracy blows and can’t read defenses  

i would Go into more details but i have to find the texts i had from the coaches and my friend who runs 24/7 for the university of Arizona. 

I watched the vid, took advantage of the D paying a lot of attention to him being able to run. Puts too much arc on the ball but seems to hit on bomb throws hitting the guys in stride. WR’s didn’t really have to fight for the ball in 2017.

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2020/4/26/21237630/khalil-tate-eagles-news-roster-nfl-draft-2020-undrafted-rookie-free-agents-udfa-quarterback-factory

Probably already posted but I was there anyways

 

On 4/27/2020 at 5:47 AM, Giddyunc said:

Yes, local power is derived from the states. That's how the practice was derived from the theory. However, the theory of limited power in government goes from individuals - local government - states - federal. 

So each state independently could determine medicare for all by putting it on the ballot ? Why not

 

Wow he looks an exciting prospect! I wonder why they think WR not RB?

32 minutes ago, The guy in France said:

So each state independently could determine medicare for all by putting it on the ballot ? Why not

 

Absolutely. If a state wants to run more welfare style of a government, then go ahead.