5 hours ago, Giddyunc said:

Absolutely. If a state wants to run more welfare style of a government, then go ahead. 

Then you end up ruined like most large cities and drag your whole state down

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

So it wasn't necessarily from you, but after the SEA loss, there was a wave of Wentz support and rationale that he's not injury prone.  He got speared in the back of the head, anyone would have been concussed, he played 16 games last year, etc.

So while that wasn't necessarily you, we still can't have it both ways.

Either Hurts was a wise pick because Wentz ranks low on the list of franchise QBs due to reliability problems...or Hurts was a frivolous pick.  

It's one or the other.  I don't know which it is, but no one can pretend to endorse the positive version of both debates.  

I vote frivolous since even if Wentz goes away I'm not anywhere near confident in him. Franchise qbs are rarely found in the 2nd round.

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I will mark your words.  And even if he is, it's not like Reagor has to share the ball with Cooper and Gallup.  

Ertz, Goedert and hopefully djax

49 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Or QB.  Since they are a factory now.  

Great point... Should just have nothing but QBs.

1 minute ago, greend said:

I vote frivolous since even if Wentz goes away I'm not anywhere near confident in him. Franchise qbs are rarely found in the 2nd round.

I would agree.

Just now, eagle45 said:

So it wasn't necessarily from you, but after the SEA loss, there was a wave of Wentz support and rationale that he's not injury prone.  He got speared in the back of the head, anyone would have been concussed, he played 16 games last year, etc.

So while that wasn't necessarily you, we still can't have it both ways.

Either Hurts was a wise pick because Wentz ranks low on the list of franchise QBs due to reliability problems...or Hurts was a frivolous pick.  

It's one or the other.  I don't know which it is, but no one can pretend to endorse the positive version of both debates.  

Personally my only forecast for Wentz's health going forward is from what we've witnessed so far.  Capable of being a workhorse and playing every snap for all 16 games, but also a high risk of injury from time to time because he plays to a high level of contact.  I think the Eagles achieve the best outcome by planning to have a skilled #2 QB who can step in and win a game occasionally -- might be Week 3, or it might have to be with the season in the balance.  For me it was either draft a guy higher than 5th round (because Thorson unfortunately) or bring in a veteran QB as backup. 

One thing nobody seemed to listen to from Howie's chat with the media after the Hurts pick (everyone focused on the QB factory comment) was he said twice -- and clarified -- that Nate Sudfeld came to the Eagles and said he wanted to go have an opportunity to compete for a #1 job somewhere -- so he's out of the equation long term.  

3 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Roseman on Reagor, and I couldn’t agree more. This was the crux of the argument of him or any other deep threat vs. Jefferson in Round 1.

"I was watching our Redskins game, our first Redskins game, and there was a play when DeSean [Jackson] caught his second touchdown where he and Nelson [Agholor] were streaking down the field — and what caught my eye, was Zach Ertz in the middle of the field holding his hands up, wide open.

And I think when you get guys like this — not only are they good players, because this guy’s a good player and we’re excited about him —, but they also help accentuate the skill sets of those other guys. Guys who work the middle of the field. Guys who are intermediate route runners."

Howie must be reading the board again. Many in here have been making this point for the last couple years.

6 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I know who's on our team.  Thanks.  

 

 

Apparently not if you cant account for who reagor will be sharing targets with

2 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Howie must be reading the board again. Many in here have been making this point for the last couple years.

Yea that's why it cracks me up how many people want to run Howie up a flagpole. "We need SPEED, Howie is an idiot!" "We passed on a better player just for SPEED, How is an idiot!"

I know you might be making the point that FINALLY he is making the right decision, and that's fine, but it goes to a larger point of how some people on are here are just ridiculous.

Now, Howie is far from perfect, but it's crazy where people jump to. Really you would think we've been a  bad team for the last decade. We were - that was called the 90s (largely). Maybe some people are too young to realize that, even with bad decisions sometimes, the organization is run totally differently than it used to be and thus so are the results.

52 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

 

I assume BlitzKreig made his way over. 

1 hour ago, purplefiggy said:

As much as I’m excited for the individual big play ability of the guys we added (plus Djax coming back) I’m more excited about the cumulative effect on the entire offense removing the bottleneck in the middle of the field offers. 

Make no mistake, the high percentage passes are short and intermediate. Look at Carson and Hurts. Both excel at intermediate passes and are above average on deep passes.   But deep passes take time.   Not easy when Demarcus Lawrence or Chase Young is coming at you.   The Eagles are still going to horizontally stretch the field. The thing is, the speed of DJax and Reagor makes the CB play them closer so they can’t get behind you, especially in that intermediate area. That also holds the deep safety because we all saw what happened when Jim didn’t keep the high safety in to protect Mills or Douglas.   That opens up the middle for the TEs and the slant and slot who will be horizontal with the wide outs in depth. I think just having DJax is going to help JJAW be the player we saw in TC against the Ravens.  JJAW’s speed is enough to keep most of the CBs honest in staying close to him.   Reagor’s definitely is.   Will be interesting this summer to watch the slot battle.  In addition to Ward, I want to see Goodwin, Hightower and Marcus Green play there. The free safety having to cheat towards DJax or Reagor is going to give us some RAC from the slot.  Who knows, this may be the year we see RAC from Ertz.

 

Howie is reading the board again and Afan suddenly returns. Hmm....

I just want to take a moment to say that I really appreciate the new message board and that the Reddit site is absolute garbage.  It's nothing but memes and the same news being posted over and over.  I couldn't last 5 seconds on it.

22 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I will mark your words.  And even if he is, it's not like Reagor has to share the ball with Cooper and Gallup.  

Ertz had 135 targets last year, 16 more than Amari Cooper.  Tiny sample size, but DJ got 9 targets vs. the Skins.  Goedert will get a bunch of targets, too.

Agholor got 69 targets last season and Randall Cobb got 83.    I dont think its a sage assumption that Reagor will get more looks than Lamb

 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Is that his schtick?  Posting clips of overrated cheese ball movies like "Remember the Titans"?

His schtick was not making any sense. 

38 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

So it wasn't necessarily from you, but after the SEA loss, there was a wave of Wentz support and rationale that he's not injury prone.  He got speared in the back of the head, anyone would have been concussed, he played 16 games last year, etc.

So while that wasn't necessarily you, we still can't have it both ways.

Either Hurts was a wise pick because Wentz ranks low on the list of franchise QBs due to reliability problems...or Hurts was a frivolous pick.  

It's one or the other.  I don't know which it is, but no one can pretend to endorse the positive version of both debates.  

You Manichaean, you.

26 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Personally my only forecast for Wentz's health going forward is from what we've witnessed so far.  Capable of being a workhorse and playing every snap for all 16 games, but also a high risk of injury from time to time because he plays to a high level of contact.  I think the Eagles achieve the best outcome by planning to have a skilled #2 QB who can step in and win a game occasionally -- might be Week 3, or it might have to be with the season in the balance.  For me it was either draft a guy higher than 5th round (because Thorson unfortunately) or bring in a veteran QB as backup. 

One thing nobody seemed to listen to from Howie's chat with the media after the Hurts pick (everyone focused on the QB factory comment) was he said twice -- and clarified -- that Nate Sudfeld came to the Eagles and said he wanted to go have an opportunity to compete for a #1 job somewhere -- so he's out of the equation long term.  

Sometimes Howie is candid with us.  Sometimes, as is necessary, the BS flows from mouthes of coaches and GMs.  Saying that Sudfeld will have an opportunity to compete for a #1 job is one of those times.

He can't even hold on to the #2 job over a 40 year old HS coach.  When guys like Cam Newton, Mariota, and Flacco are flopping around on the free market, no one is signing Nate Sudfeld to compete for a starting job.  That's just laughable.  

He's out of the equation long term because they want to do better with the backup here.  No one....NO ONE...is giving Sudfeld that chance.  

1 minute ago, justrelax said:

You Manichaean, you.

I needed to google that.  

Do we think he actually believes that?

 

"I think the value was good,” the executive told NJ Advance Media. "The player was going to go in the next 5-10 picks. If that’s the guy they liked, they did the right thing. You only get one pick. Seems like they got their guy.”

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

 

 

 

I've been saying this for months.  They have the same rocked up compact frame, can jump out of the gym and are super competitive.  This is why I love Jalen Reagor.  I hated Steve Smith, would have loved him on the Eagles.

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Do we think he actually believes that?

it was a tone deaf pick, so yeah, I actually do believe that

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Do we think he actually believes that?

I sure hope not.  Know your fanbase.  Look how Carson has made Philly his.  The AO1 softball games, the food truck the winning at all costs.  Carson is our quarterback we've wanted for years.  He's a great human, MVP caliber quarterback who you worked magic to get here.  He's only 27 with arguably his best football ahead of him now that we have weapons coming his way.  The locker room has been handed to him and you bring in another quarterback in the 2nd round.  

Howie are you that ignorant?

Idle Thoughts

• I like Jordan Mailata, but we should be happy that he can be a #3 OT. He's yet to play an NFL regular-season snap. The idea that he's pushing Dillard is absurd until we see it. I'd bet on Peters taking snaps in 2020 before Mailata.
• Hurts at 53 > Dobbins at 53. I love Dobbins as a prospect, but we're not a run-first team. I think we take Chinn if not for the injuries. 
• The comp pick system will change next year as now players are gaming the system. Once players do it, you know GMs/teams will try to fix it.