1 minute ago, greend said:

I'd take Newton if he wanted to be back-up. I wouldn't take Winston if he brought a 200 y.o. bottle of Scotch with him and Cuban cigars

The bolded to me is the key piece.  I think he has no interest in that.  And I don't think he has the mentality to handle it.   

22 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Says who?  They added those guys with Reagor.  You never know.   

They would have needed to trade their second pick (plus maybe a 5th) to get Lamb.  

4 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

32 head coaching positions in the NFL, THREE African-American head coaches.

32 GM positions, Five of them are African American.

Must just be a massive coincidence then that only 12.5 percent of the coaches/GMs in this league are African-American. 

Also, save the Dr. King quotes if you don't know what he meant, and obviously by your comments you don't.

Why would it be a massive coincidence?  14% of the population of the U.S. is black, seems pretty close to me. You don't think teams put the best candidates in position to win them games regardless of color?  Sorry but I'm going to disagree with this. What was your old screen name on the old boards out of curiosity? 

38 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I don’t care about 42 college starts. The NFL is different. Plenty of college vets are terrible. 

42 starts isn't a big deal, starting for Alabama and Oklahoma is a big deal.

There are NFL teams where the starting QB has less pressure on him.

Whether or not he's NFL caliber, the mental aspect of dealing with pressure won't be an issue.

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The bolded to me is the key piece.  I think he has no interest in that.  And I don't think he has the mentality to handle it.   

I agree

59 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

One frustrating aspect of the Hurts pick is that we likely won’t get much value out of him on 2020 unless we go the Taysom Hill route. With a weird offseason, I don’t think it’s realistic for him to be the backup. 

So the most realistic scenario is him being the backup in 2021. If he’s the true backup, can he still do the special package stuff? If so, is the risk for injury so high that we’d have to carry a third QB on the 53 (55?)? 

So let’s say he becomes the backup in 2021, that gives us three cheap years of backup QB play, assuming he actually develops. Doesn’t sound that bad. Maybe he balls out and we trade him. Maybe we get a comp 3. 

Now the downside. Let’s say with such a weird offseason he just doesn’t show well in 2020. Do we go after another backup QB? Do we re-sign Sudfeld?

I think people are taking for granted that Hurts will be the backup in 2021. He has to earn it, and it’s the hardest position in the NFL to develop. 

The flip side of that is that he has started 42 games over the past four years and thrown over 1000 passes. Meanwhile, Sudfield has played in three games and thrown 25 passes.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The bolded to me is the key piece.  I think he has no interest in that.  And I don't think he has the mentality to handle it.   

Not sure he’s going to have a choice now unless he just waits it out for someone to get hurt. Maybe Washington tells him he can compete and win the job from Haskins but i kind of doubt that. 

26 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

The FO may have boxed themselves into a corner with the QB factory statement.

Bringing in a vet in July/August would be an even harder sell.

Its becoming a common, reoccurring theme. 

1 minute ago, justrelax said:

Nimrod indeed. Does this board have the Ignore feature?

Good question.  I feel like I read somewhere that might be difficult for Va to input into the features.  Although, reading his posts is similar to staring at roadkill.  I can't turn away.  

28 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

The FO may have boxed themselves into a corner with the QB factory statement.

Bringing in a vet in July/August would be an even harder sell.

The eagles as a whole seem to find themselves with one of these comments once every like couple of years. Had the gold standard comment, dream team comment, emotional intelligence, new norm and qb factory. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Not sure he’s going to have a choice now unless he just waits it out for someone to get hurt. Maybe Washington tells him he can compete and win the job from Haskins but i kind of doubt that. 

Second part is the most important to me.  Does he strike you as the type to welcome working hard, sitting in the background and supporting the starter?  Or doing the work to be prepared without the reps in practice?

This guy:

 

Not me.  Not ever.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

 

I do find it pretty interesting that many of the "experts" criticizing the Eagles for taking Reagor over Jefferson despite Reagor being a better fit are the same people who say that fit is probably the most important factor when examining a first round pick's success. ???

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Second part is the most important to me.  Does he strike you as the type to welcome working hard, sitting in the background and supporting the starter?  Or doing the work to be prepared without the reps in practice?

This guy:

 

Not me.  Not ever.

I wouldn’t want him in general cause i think he’s overrated and done now that he actually has to beat people with his arm. Additional to what you said. However i think if he went to Washington it’s cause rivera would want him starting over Haskins cause Haskins isn’t his guy. When i said compete for it is more to make it feel like haskin had a chance to win it when he really didn’t. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The eagles as a whole seem to find themselves with one of these comments once every like couple of years. Had the gold standard comment, dream team comment, emotional intelligence, new norm and qb factory. 

Yup, its like they can't help themselves when it comes to the media. They keep putting out these sound clips or definitive statements that have a 100% of backfiring on them.

 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I wouldn’t want him in general cause i think he’s overrated and done now that he actually has to beat people with his arm. Additional to what you said. However i think if he went to Washington it’s cause rivera would want him starting over Haskins cause Haskins isn’t his guy. When i said compete for it is more to make it feel like haskin had a chance to win it when he really didn’t. 

I think the best thing Rivera has going for him in leaving Carolina was distancing himself from Newton.  I don't think he wants to bring that with him.  

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Why is he dressed like Mr Peanut?

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Why is he dressed like Mr Peanut?

I think he was just dressed like a nut.  

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yup, its like they can't help themselves when it comes to the media. They keep putting out these sound clips or definitive statements that have a 100% of backfiring on them.

I guess shouldn’t have included dream team that was more Vince young then the front office. But yeah they put statements out like that which clearly if things go poorly fans won’t forget and use against them. Just be bland. It’ll wind up saving you in the end. It’s why i understand why belichick basically says nothing. 

It may have been mentioned before, but Howie's phrasing of how Reagor matches Carson's skill set makes me think it was all about outside speed and that Jefferson wasn't really a strong consideration for them.

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The one that does meth

I think you just revealed his true identity.  

2 hours ago, RLC said:

 

8791 hours to go.

42 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Right. I should walk that statement back. It matters in your QB evaluation. It doesn’t guarantee future success or speed of development. 

I suspect he will be the backup QB in 2021, but will he develop into the level of backup QB that doesn’t require another investment in a third QB? That’s not a given like people are assuming. 

 

Jonathan Taylor is going to be a superstar, in my opinion. You cut his college carry number in half, he's a top-20 pick. Get five years of stud production (rookie deal+franchise tag) and that's well worth trading up in the 2nd round.

1 minute ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

8791 hours to go.

They just had to push it back another week.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

 

I think the best thing Rivera has going for him in leaving Carolina was distancing himself from Newton.  I don't think he wants to bring that with him.  

Only reason i brought it up was earlier in the offseason there were some rumors about rivera not being sold on Haskins. I don’t think it happens only hypothetical if that occurred  

Frankly i think cam is screwed cause i don’t think anyone wants him Around the league. Almost everyone has their starter at QB and the ones who don’t in jags (minshew is but i don’t think he’s the long term guy) want to be bad to get a young QB next year. I would’ve said maybe the chargers to have a big name ticket where fans in LA wanted to see the big name (if you consider him a big name still) but they drafted Herbert so that’s even gone. 

I was thinking about the QB position in general and I wonder if it doesn’t need its own draft scale that’s different from other positions. 
 

what I mean is, based on recent years (say since Russel Wilson) if you want a potential stud franchise QB, you almost have to be picking top 5. Sure, you can get lucky later, but it would be outside the norm. 

any QB prospect outside of 5 feels more like  the equivalent of a 4th/5th round position player. Maybe they play a few years as a solid backup and then drift away. Every once in a while you get lucky and find a competent starter. 
 

so then, does that mean value for QBs looks something like this?

 

franchise QB top 5 pick

legit starter/quality backup rounds 1/2

”flyers” round 3

and everything after is like a 6th/7th round backup crapshoot