I am really hoping and praying we get a good, 4 years of healthy Carson.  I want nothing to do with Jalen Hurts at QB unless he proves me otherwise.  He's not some elite talent.  He had mid-tier arm strength, doesn't make great reads (didn't have to last year since Lincoln Riley's system is catered to scheming everyone open), and 1 thing that stands out to me about him in college was how horrendous he was before getting pulled for Tua in the national championship game.  He's great at not making mistakes, and he can run.  That will only get you so far.  

Some idiot on radio today compared this to the Patrick Mahommes/Alex Smith situation, comparing Alex Smith to Carson Wentz.  It would actually be the COMPLETE opposite.  You would in fact be getting rid of the Ferrari to replace it with a Ford Taurus that doesn't break down.  

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Getting any idea of when gyms will open back up?  My makeshift home gym leaves a lot to the imagination.  Don't know how long I can go without taking the plunge and investing in building a garage gym.

I can’t wait for the gym to open back up but Feel like the gym is like the highest place for somebody’s going to get sick because people don’t wash their machines or weights after they’re done using them. they don’t wash their hands before using them. you’re just gonna have a ton of people who you would think after all this would be more hygienic but are not 

54 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Got to put in time at lower positions to become head coaches and GMs. All of the Eagles coaches, scouting executives and Howie did that.  The percentage you show is similar to the percentage of African Americans in the US so that diversity matches the population of the country and I suspect is higher than senior executives in other billion dollar companies.  When you look at coaching and player evaluation positions, very few of the persons in those roles played NFL football so comparing the players to the staff is flawed.  What tends to be the case is they all put in time at grunt positions, regardless of race, to work their way up.   

Colleges are a major feeder pool to the NFL coaching ranks, and I'd like to see the numbers for conferences of minority coaches.

The other problem is ex-NFL players made too much money the last couple decades to want to put in the hours at low pay, Duce is a notable exception.

Peters would probably be a great OL coach, but does he want to spend 3 or 4 years interning under Stoutland?

11 minutes ago, RLC said:

It does. How many good starters didn't play a lot of college games?

Ok, probably not many but just because a guy started a lot of games in college, Kellen Moore, doesn't mean they are going to do well in the next level.

It's a small part of the formula, but not some huge decider.

Tua started less games due to injury, so why didn't others who started more go higher?

See my point?

 

I don't get how they thought a 2nd rounder on Hurts is worth it. The LSU game tape is pretty bad. I know he has no time to throw but wow. I was not impressed. 

Out of curiosity I looked up Goodwin’s slot snap rate and over the past two seasons he played about 15% of his snaps there. If we’re playing 40-45 percent 12 personnel, I think he fits well in a rotation with DJax in the vertical slot role. I think DJax should be about 30 percent of his snaps in the slot (he was at 32 percent last year in an incredibly small sample size). 

That would allow Reagor to focus on playing outside for 2020 and not being overwhelmed. 

1 hour ago, hputenis said:

I am really hoping and praying we get a good, 4 years of healthy Carson.  I want nothing to do with Jalen Hurts at QB unless he proves me otherwise.  He's not some elite talent.  He had mid-tier arm strength, doesn't make great reads (didn't have to last year since Lincoln Riley's system is catered to scheming everyone open), and 1 thing that stands out to me about him in college was how horrendous he was before getting pulled for Tua in the national championship game.  He's great at not making mistakes, and he can run.  That will only get you so far.  

Some idiot on radio today compared this to the Patrick Mahommes/Alex Smith situation, comparing Alex Smith to Carson Wentz.  It would actually be the COMPLETE opposite.  You would in fact be getting rid of the Ferrari to replace it with a Ford Taurus that doesn't break down.  

I still think this was mostly a "hope for the best" (Carson stays healthy, we develop Hurts and later flip him) but prepare for the worst (Carson takes some more tough injuries and either regresses or decides to retire following Luck's career arc) move. Those few gadget plays have limited value imo and aren't the reason he was drafted at 53.  

 

That the team has been in the playoffs 3 straight years and Wentz hasn't been able to contribute in any of them due to injuries is such a unique situation. It's been 3 times...at what point do you make a major draft investment there, especially now that Wentz's cap # has skyrocketed.... I guess that number was 3 for Howie and Doug. 

Just now, PrinceKelby said:

Ok, probably not many but just because a guy started a lot of games in college, Kellen Moore, doesn't mean they are going to do well in the next level.

It's a small part of the formula, but not some huge decider.

Tua started less games due to injury, so why didn't others who started more go higher?

See my point?

 

It's not THE factor.  And it's not so much on the becoming successful side.  But rather, it's a solid corollary as to why QBs who light it up their senior seasons don't succeed in the NFL. 

2 minutes ago, PrinceKelby said:

Ok, probably not many but just because a guy started a lot of games in college, Kellen Moore, doesn't mean they are going to do well in the next level.

It's a small part of the formula, but not some huge decider.

Tua started less games due to injury, so why didn't others who started more go higher?

See my point?

 

People can point out all the reasons they want to say Hurts will be ready to be the top backup in 2021, but it’s not a given. Folks are getting ahead of themselves. 

The list of 2nd Round QBs recently is...not great. 

2019: Drew Lock (TBD)
2018: None
2017: Kizer (Miss)
2016: Hackenberg (Miss)
2015: None
2014: Carr (Hit), Garopollo (Hit)
2013: G. Smith (Miss)
2012: Osweiler (Miss)
2011: Dalton (Hit), Kaepernick (Hit)
2010: Clausen (Miss)
2009: P. White (Miss)

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/nfl-draft-2020-jalen-reagor-tcu-combine-40-yard-dash

This didn't surprise me, when a guy runs far below expectations, it's usually either injury or bulking up for the Combine.

What is says is 195 lb is probably Reagor's playing weight, maybe 200 in a couple years as he fills out naturally.

"A study from CBS Sports, citing data from a company called Slants, tracked game speed vs. timed speed for receivers in the 2020 draft class. Of the players in the study, Reagor at TCU had the second-fastest game speed as a ball-carrier behind only Ruggs. Ruggs reached 21.94 mph and Reagor was second at 20.80 mph. 

To put that into perspective, according to NFL NextGen Stats, just three Eagles reached faster speeds in 2019:  DeSean Jackson (21.4, 20.86), Miles Sanders (21.01, 20.90) and Nelson Agholor (21.11). Agholor didn't look that fast, maybe b/c he wasn't great at high pointing so he couldn't win ties.

Got to give Sanders more wheel routes, what LB can run with him, heck, what SS can run with him?

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

It's not THE factor.  And it's not so much on the becoming successful side.  But rather, it's a solid corollary as to why QBs who light it up their senior seasons don't succeed in the NFL. 

The advantage of scouting guys who start for three or four seasons:

a) not a one year fluke, opponents have game film

b) experience matters if he has good coaching (i.e., not repeating the same mistakes)

Hurts, like Wilson, has the advantage of playing in a completely different scheme his last season, that's what he'll do in the NFL, learn a new scheme and apply it immediately.

The level of competition matters, Hurts has played a lot of big games against top competition.

It won't compensate for a lack of talent, but it will make him more NFL ready.

 

34 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Is station to station Howieese for dink and dunk?

I guess.  Station to station is baseball.  🤦‍♂️   

11 minutes ago, obedt said:

I still think this was mostly a "hope for the best" (Carson stays healthy, we develop Hurts and later flip him) but prepare for the worst (Carson takes some more tough injuries and either regresses or decides to retire following Luck's career arc) move. Those few gadget plays have limited value imo and aren't the reason he was drafted at 53.  

 

That the team has been in the playoffs 3 straight years and Wentz hasn't been able to contribute in any of them due to injuries is such a unique situation. It's been 3 times...at what point do you make a major draft investment there, especially now that Wentz's draft # has skyrocketed.... I guess that number was 3 for Howie and Doug. 

For probably 29 or the 32 QBs in the league I would agree with you.  But Wentz is unique, and I think he should be given the benefit of the doubt here.  He has more talent and ability than anyone not named Patrick Mahommes.  Why not give him 1 more year without dumb fans whispering about the backup QB AND give him a few unique deep weapons?  1 more year of no distractions + weapons, and if he gets hurt, then I'll eat some crow and bite the bullet.  

How anyone thinks Hurts will create some sort of QB controversy is beyond me.

A #53 pick at QB wouldn't be expected to start immediately if we had Kolb as our QB, much less beat out Wentz.

If by some miracle, in three years, Hurts is good enough to actually compete for the starting job, we can trade one of them for 2 1st rd picks.

11 minutes ago, RLC said:

The list of 2nd Round QBs recently is...not great. 

2019: Drew Lock (TBD)
2018: None
2017: Kizer (Miss)
2016: Hackenberg (Miss)
2015: None
2014: Carr (Hit), Garopollo (Hit)
2013: G. Smith (Miss)
2012: Osweiler (Miss)
2011: Dalton (Hit), Kaepernick (Hit)
2010: Clausen (Miss)
2009: P. White (Miss)

Bo wulf actually touched on this in their podcast after the pick. Third round i think he said was similar ratio. 

50 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

It's a question of resources.  I'd be OK with Hurts at pick 103.  At pick 53, they could have added another player with potential to start next season at a position of greater need.  

I don't discount that.  But, it sounds like this was due to past scars... missing out on Russell Wilson by waiting... losing in the playoffs because they went with an old backup (i.e. wanting to avoid Flacco).   That doesn't make it the right choice, but I can see why they'd rather draft 'their guy' a round too early, rather than waiting.  And the gap between 53 and 103 was 50 picks... half the teams in the league would have TWO selections in between, and the rest would have 1.  So, I can see why they'd jump a little early.

 

Like I said earlier, we won't know the true value of this pick for a while, until he's called on when they absolutely need him (aka, a Wentz injury).  The tinker toy idea doesn't justify it, by itself.  But, if he can be a tinker toy AND be a guy to come in and win big games when necessary... then it will turn out well.  And if he can't, then even at 103, it's not a good pick.  Its just not as bad.  

14 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

It's not THE factor.  And it's not so much on the becoming successful side.  But rather, it's a solid corollary as to why QBs who light it up their senior seasons don't succeed in the NFL. 

I agree with that. 

 

14 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

People can point out all the reasons they want to say Hurts will be ready to be the top backup in 2021, but it’s not a given. Folks are getting ahead of themselves. 

Completely agree.

I only see that happening if they completely change the offense.

Plus with the shortened year of development this year I don't see any way he is the "comfortable" #2 next year.

They will still bring in a vet next year, IMO.

10 minutes ago, austinfan said:

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/nfl-draft-2020-jalen-reagor-tcu-combine-40-yard-dash

This didn't surprise me, when a guy runs far below expectations, it's usually either injury or bulking up for the Combine.

What is says is 195 lb is probably Reagor's playing weight, maybe 200 in a couple years as he fills out naturally.

"A study from CBS Sports, citing data from a company called Slants, tracked game speed vs. timed speed for receivers in the 2020 draft class. Of the players in the study, Reagor at TCU had the second-fastest game speed as a ball-carrier behind only Ruggs. Ruggs reached 21.94 mph and Reagor was second at 20.80 mph. 

To put that into perspective, according to NFL NextGen Stats, just three Eagles reached faster speeds in 2019:  DeSean Jackson (21.4, 20.86), Miles Sanders (21.01, 20.90) and Nelson Agholor (21.11). Agholor didn't look that fast, maybe b/c he wasn't great at high pointing so he couldn't win ties.

Got to give Sanders more wheel routes, what LB can run with him, heck, what SS can run with him?

I read recently that Reagor was clocked at over 22 MPH somewhere, and that it was faster than everyone in the NFL except for Tyreek Hill.  I never know who to believe anymore with these articles.  I'm assuming Agholor's top speed was without the ball, since whenever he reached top speed, he tracked the ball like Helen Keller.  

47 minutes ago, greend said:

Well if they do, dinner is on me baby 

I’m gonna do my best to make you regret saying that!

 

17 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Damn, Goodwins wife firing shots straight at Ward already

He was literally traded for a late seventh round value. Like comp pick seventh round value. Maybe work on making the team.  My belief is first choice goes to Reagor, whose number 1 belongs to our punter.  Next up is Hightower whose 16 is on Burnett now so it probably will be available at some point. Possible that Watkins and Hightower may be fighting for the same number as that is what Watkins wore.  In the meantime they should get to choose before Goodwin. Frankly, the fact Watkins was picked after the trade suggests to me that Goodwin is a bit of a flyer.  Cost wise JJAW, Ward, Hightower and Watkins all make better sense for the Eagles.  I am hoping that JJAW, Hightower and Ward outperform Goodwin and that Watkins is close so that at some point during camp the Eagles feel comfortable enough to flip Goodwin to Green Bay for a 2021 fifth round choice. Hate his injury history, he has only played in sixteen games once. Kind of mediocre when he does play.  Inconsistent hands and he is getting older.  At over a million, he needs to beat out at the minimum the fourth WR for the job.  Frankly, he was a salary dump guy for the 49ers and we still got our guy with the trade down. 

As to beating JJAW, not when he pulls up lame at the 20.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t mind the no cost trade but posting a video with comments like that about future teammates is stupid.   

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I'd expect it too, but with a limited offseason and a guy that isn't a finished project, I think it would take a miracle to get him up to speed to comfortably be the #2. I think if they bring in Flacco or McCown its more of an indictment of them not having faith in Sudfeld.

Yeah, they definitely have zero faith in Suds.

Its a new Warren video. We are set with RB2

 

1 minute ago, MediterraneanDiet said:

Yeah, they definitely have zero faith in Suds.

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