10 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Sign me up for a slightly light extremely explosive edge rusher who can actually bring down a qb and disrupt a pass attack...instead of a RDE that makes me suffer the pain of listening to homers talk about how well he plays the run while next to an all pro 320lb run stopping DT in a league that passes 40 times per week.

You are probably going to be disappointed at getting a good edge. Not a great class for that next year.  I think it is a better WR class, better RB class, about as good of an OT class and not a bad G class.  Not as strong for C/G as this year.  Like a couple of TEs especially the PSU kid.  Really wouldn’t mind Micah Parsons in our front seven but I think he is a first round choice and the day the Eagles take a LB in the first round...... Fair number of QBs but all flawed in my opinion.  S class sucks again.  Still looking at the CBs. A couple nice ones.

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

You are probably going to be disappointed at getting a good edge. Not a great class for that next year.  I think it is a better WR class, better RB class, about as good of an OT class and not a bad G class.  Not as strong for C/G as this year.  Like a couple of TEs especially the PSU kid.  Really wouldn’t mind Micah Parsons in our front seven but I think he is a first round choice and the day the Eagles take a LB in the first round...... Fair number of QBs but all flawed in my opinion.  S class sucks again.  Still looking at the CBs. A couple nice ones.

Is that including juniors? Obviously you can’t know who will declare, but generally a draft class gets a big boost from underclassmen.

Just so everyone knows

''Carson Wentz is MY quarterback.'' - Tyrone Johnson

Considering him and his buddy have been acting like petulant children trying desperately to get attention on twitter in recent days,  I can only imagine ratings must be down lately.

3 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

You are probably going to be disappointed at getting a good edge. Not a great class for that next year.  I think it is a better WR class, better RB class, about as good of an OT class and not a bad G class.  Not as strong for C/G as this year.  Like a couple of TEs especially the PSU kid.  Really wouldn’t mind Micah Parsons in our front seven but I think he is a first round choice and the day the Eagles take a LB in the first round...... Fair number of QBs but all flawed in my opinion.  S class sucks again.  Still looking at the CBs. A couple nice ones.

Nasirildeen, FSU, might be a poor man's I. Simmons.

Not sure if this has been asked and/or answered but are they having a supplemental draft this year, and if so any good prospects?

6 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

You are probably going to be disappointed at getting a good edge. Not a great class for that next year.  I think it is a better WR class, better RB class, about as good of an OT class and not a bad G class.  Not as strong for C/G as this year.  Like a couple of TEs especially the PSU kid.  Really wouldn’t mind Micah Parsons in our front seven but I think he is a first round choice and the day the Eagles take a LB in the first round...... Fair number of QBs but all flawed in my opinion.  S class sucks again.  Still looking at the CBs. A couple nice ones.

You never know who might emerge.  

But if that's the case, Howie will need to get creative.  While they may be fine for 2020, I do not see a Graham/Barnett combo as a remotely viable option for 2021.

5 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Just so everyone knows

''Carson Wentz is MY quarterback.'' - Tyrone Johnson

Considering him and his buddy have been acting like petulant children trying desperately to get attention on twitter in recent days,  I can only imagine ratings must be down lately.

I was listening today. They all went off the deep end when Sal pal said it’s not what they say but with their actions are that speaks volumes. Then all three of them were like oh my God Carson Wentz is done here

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I was listening today. They all went off the deep end when Sal pal said it’s not what they say but with their actions are that speaks volumes. Then all three of them were like oh my God Carson Wentz is done here

I go back and forth between thinking they are actually as dumb as they come off, or thinking they are trying really really hard to get ratings since WIP always beats up on them. Probably a combination of the two. Tyrone Johnson is such an arrogant clown, damn near impossible to listen to. ''Salpal'' is another one I could never stand. All he ever does is **** and complain about the Eagles but man was he the biggest fan boy ever and happy to profit from them winning the SB in 2017.

2 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

I go back and forth between thinking they are actually as dumb as they come off, or thinking they are trying really really hard to get ratings since WIP always beats up on them. Probably a combination of the two. Tyrone Johnson is such an arrogant clown, damn near impossible to listen to.

Well Mike miss has the TV aspect so he gets ratings from there so their Afternoon show probably is getting as good of ratings as WIP. I don’t really think they’re trying to get ratings I think they legitimately think Sal pal knows what the hell he’s talking about and they think when he says that he’s giving them a wink wink nudge nudge that the Eagles don’t want Carson anymore.

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Well Mike miss has the TV aspect so he gets ratings from there so their Afternoon show probably is getting as good of ratings as WIP. I don’t really think they’re trying to get ratings I think they legitimately think Sal pal knows what the hell he’s talking about and they think when he says that he’s giving them a wink wink nudge nudge that the Eagles don’t want Carson anymore.

This all comes down to Carson. If he makes through the entire season healthy and plays like he did in 2017 there isn't even a question. I'm not suggesting that Carson should be replaced. I'm certainly not saying that Hurts is the one to do it. That being said, Carson isn't above criticism and he needs to be more consistent and stay healthy. The fact of the matter is, if Carson Wentz is going to be your franchise QB having a really good back up is a must. This time the Eagles elected to use a premium pick on trying to fill that hole as opposed to tying up 6-10 million in cap dollars on the position. It's an insurance policy that could also pay dividends with Hurts's ability to be an immediate impact player in certain packages. Not the direction I would have gone in, but why people are still so dumbfounded by this move days later is beyond me.

14 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

When you see it this way it is pretty depressing 

Although smith wasn’t cut he was traded (didn’t make the list just saw it on fb)

When you see it that way.

Or , Alston Jeffrey, Nelson Agholor, Super Bowl winning WRs; DJax, leading deep threat and running routes now;  Greg Ward, developmental project from position change that delivered 28 receptions in seven games for 254 yards. Zach Ertz, record receptions by a TE, Boobie Sanders leader of 2019 rookie RBs in all purpose yards and receptions. 

5 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

This all comes down to Carson. If he makes through the entire season healthy and plays like he did in 2017 there isn't even a question. I'm not suggesting that Carson should be replaced. I'm certainly not saying that Hurts is the one to do it. That being said, Carson isn't above criticism and he needs to be more consistent and stay healthy.

I don’t disagree. I for one would like for just one season to have consistent wide receiver play. Besides 2017 the Eagles Have not had consistency at wide receiver. Literally 2016 they had awful wide receivers. 2018 either guys got hurt or they were just not consistent or couldnt fit Golden Tate into the Offense. In 2019 they had a ton of injuries at wide receiver and guys who did play weren’t consistent besides ward. Like wentz needs to play better at times but it’s ridiculous that three out of the four years his weapons at wide receiver haven’t been good enough via injuries or consistency 

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

When you see it that way.

Or , Alston Jeffrey, Nelson Agholor, Super Bowl winning WRs; DJax, leading deep threat and running routes now;  Greg Ward, developmental project from position change that delivered 28 receptions in seven games for 254 yards. Zach Ertz, record receptions by a TE, Boobie Sanders leader of 2019 rookie RBs in all purpose yards and receptions. 

Yeah that’s why I said when you see it that way it’s pretty depressing but if you look at it from the other aspect like you did it’s not nearly as bad as that whole thing looks

20 minutes ago, TEW said:

Is that including juniors? Obviously you can’t know who will declare, but generally a draft class gets a big boost from underclassmen.

Correct, a lot of juniors in the mix.  Hard to say what happens next year because of Covid. 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t disagree. I for one would like for just one season to have consistent wide receiver play. Besides 2017 the Eagles Have not had consistency at wide receiver. Literally 2016 they had awful wide receivers. 2018 either guys got hurt or they were just not consistent or couldnt fit Golden Tate into the Offense. In 2019 they had a ton of injuries at wide receiver and guys who did play weren’t consistent besides ward. Like wentz needs to play better at times but it’s ridiculous that three out of the four years his weapons at wide receiver haven’t been good enough. 

I agree. They got him some weapons/speed this year. No more excuses. Stay healthy, and go out and have an MVP caliber season. Shut up the critics and squash the entire narrative that Hurts was brought in to replace you. Nobody is above competition and being called out. Even the Patriots drafted several QB's on day two during Brady's career, some of which were before he turned 35.

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah that’s why I said when you see it that way it’s pretty depressing but if you look at it from the other aspect like you did it’s not nearly as bad as that whole thing looks

What’s depressing is how many on that list got injured. 

3 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

What’s depressing is how many on that list got injured. 

Right? It is super depressing with the amount of injuries they’ve had at the position. 

That list of targets for Wentz is a joke, no matter how you look at it. I never want to hear anyone compare he and Dak ever again.

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

Wentz's biggest strength is the deep ball, Hurts is best suited to a vertical scheme, no conflict between the two.

Hurts also excels in the RPO, which basically turned a journeyman into a SB winning QB, except Foles couldn't run, Hurts can run and pass.

They're not going to RPO Wentz much for obvious reasons, but if Hurts has to play, you're playing to win and you're not going to baby a 6'1 225 lb QB who was the lead RB on the Sooners. So I suspect they'd mix in a lot of RPO for Hurts.

Sure, but didn't Wentz just get over the madness of people wanting to run the RPO because Foles did it well?

This is the major part of the tone-deaf nature of the pick.

If he comes in and runs the RPO successfully do you then move on from Wentz?

It takes him over 3 seconds to get the ball out on average. He's going to have to drastically improve that to even sniff the QB position in terms of being a viable backup, IMO.

This major factor combined with the shortened time for develop this year, and possibly next year means he won't be near ready by 2021 season.

So you get him for a year and have to decide to resign him or he decides to go elsewhere?

Maybe trade him for a 2nd?

So you just developed a player for another team and didn't get anyone to significantly help in the last few years of Cox, Lane, Ertz, Kelce, Brooks, prime years for little to nothing.

This is why it makes zero sense to me.

 

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

Wentz's biggest strength is the deep ball, Hurts is best suited to a vertical scheme, no conflict between the two.

Hurts also excels in the RPO, which basically turned a journeyman into a SB winning QB, except Foles couldn't run, Hurts can run and pass.

They're not going to RPO Wentz much for obvious reasons, but if Hurts has to play, you're playing to win and you're not going to baby a 6'1 225 lb QB who was the lead RB on the Sooners. So I suspect they'd mix in a lot of RPO for Hurts.

Wentz hasn't thrown a deep ball in 2 years, yet we know that is his biggest strength?

17 minutes ago, JSEagle said:

That list of targets for Wentz is a joke, no matter how you look at it. I never want to hear anyone compare he and Dak ever again.

I am 100% behind Wentz.  I want him as the QB here, not Dak.

Huge BUT though...you know the cliche...if my Aunt had balls, she'd be my Uncle.

It's a tragedy if the biggest on-paper argument for Wentz over Dak (or anyone else) is the list of Wentz's awful receivers.  It's about what you've actually done, not how little you've had with which to do it.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Wentz hasn't thrown a deep ball in 2 years, yet we know that is his biggest strength?

Because he didn't have anyone that could get it.

Wentz throws a very good deep ball.

Just now, eagle45 said:

I am 100% behind Wentz.  I want him as the QB here, not Dak.

Huge BUT though...you know the cliche...if my Aunt had balls, she'd be my Uncle.

It's a tragedy if the biggest on-paper argument for Wentz over Dak (or anyone else) is the list of Wentz's awful receivers.  It's about what you've actually done, not how little you've had with which to do it.

Well the fact that he's put up the numbers, has a better arm, carried literal garbage to a division title and was the league MVP in 2017 (don't care who won it, we all know Wentz was the best QB in football that year) on top of this poor a** list is a good start.

22 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Wentz hasn't thrown a deep ball in 2 years, yet we know that is his biggest strength?

Jackson x2 in first Wash. game.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/memes-wont-stop-flowing-quarterback-164545912.html