I hope I’m wrong but there is not one draft pick I’m thrilled about. The only pick I liked was Watkins but at that point I felt like Howie figured out at some point before the draft that they had no idea how to evaluate receivers. So might as well just throw in a bunch of fast guys and hope one of them can catch. 

They did the same with the two linebackers. 

The two o-lineman will probably end up being good pros. Hell, they developed Big V to a point where he got a $50 mil contract. 

1 minute ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I hope I’m wrong but there is not one draft pick I’m thrilled about. The only pick I liked was Watkins but at that point I felt like Howie figured out at some point before the draft that they had no idea how to evaluate receivers. So might as well just throw in a bunch of fast guys and hope one of them can catch. 

They did the same with the two linebackers. 

The two o-lineman will probably end up being good pros. Hell, they developed Big V to a point where he got a $50 mil contract. 

I believe Reagor and K’Von Wallace will be starters into a second Eagles contract.  While I worry about how raw Taylor is, he could be a very good ST player pretty quickly.  I was very happy to get Hightower a round later than I saw him going in most mocks pre-draft.  If Driscoll or Wanogho can stick even as depth OL this could be a very strong draft class

4 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

@NoDak Eagle congrats on the addition to your family. Never understood the names. Would it be grand uncle?

Thanks and it’s great uncle. At least that’s what I’m going with 

1 hour ago, T-1000 said:

I agree. They got him some weapons/speed this year. No more excuses. Stay healthy, and go out and have an MVP caliber season. Shut up the critics and squash the entire narrative that Hurts was brought in to replace you. Nobody is above competition and being called out. Even the Patriots drafted several QB's on day two during Brady's career, some of which were before he turned 35.

They got him some weapons but they're still unproven weapons.

If they play like Agholor and JJAW then they're back to square 1.

49 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Wentz hasn't thrown a deep ball in 2 years, yet we know that is his biggest strength?

Week 1 this past season vs Washington?

Did it twice if I'm not mistaken.  Both for TDs.

27 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Jackson x2 in first Wash. game.

I didn’t mean that to be taken literally, hes obviously thrown some here and there and done a nice job with it.  But generally speaking, that’s a throw this offense hasn’t even utilized.  Hard to call it his greatest strength.

1 hour ago, PrinceKelby said:

 

So you just developed a player for another team and didn't get anyone to significantly help in the last few years of Cox, Lane, Ertz, Kelce, Brooks, prime years for little to nothing.

This is why it makes zero sense to me.

 

This. The core is getting expensive and aging. No guarantee we can replace them, especially Cox. We have this year and maybe next year expecting elite production. Then it's over for most of them.

30 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I hope I’m wrong but there is not one draft pick I’m thrilled about. The only pick I liked was Watkins but at that point I felt like Howie figured out at some point before the draft that they had no idea how to evaluate receivers. So might as well just throw in a bunch of fast guys and hope one of them can catch. 

They did the same with the two linebackers. 

The two o-lineman will probably end up being good pros. Hell, they developed Big V to a point where he got a $50 mil contract. 

If they dont start hitting on WRs soon then maybe just start trading picks for proven, good/great WRs.

13 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

If they dont start hitting on WRs soon then maybe just start trading picks for proven, good/great WRs.

My feeling is they may have to do that this year if they wanna be competitive. 

1 hour ago, PrinceKelby said:

Sure, but didn't Wentz just get over the madness of people wanting to run the RPO because Foles did it well?

This is the major part of the tone-deaf nature of the pick.

If he comes in and runs the RPO successfully do you then move on from Wentz?

It takes him over 3 seconds to get the ball out on average. He's going to have to drastically improve that to even sniff the QB position in terms of being a viable backup, IMO.

This major factor combined with the shortened time for develop this year, and possibly next year means he won't be near ready by 2021 season.

So you get him for a year and have to decide to resign him or he decides to go elsewhere?

Maybe trade him for a 2nd?

So you just developed a player for another team and didn't get anyone to significantly help in the last few years of Cox, Lane, Ertz, Kelce, Brooks, prime years for little to nothing.

This is why it makes zero sense to me.

 

You’re building in a lot of assumptions and ignoring some basic facts. 
 

Wentz has never played a full year 

a real backup an might’ve gotten us past Seattle

only a 2nd back?  Where is that written in stone?  
 

I hear your points but a lot of them are just your assumptions. Of all places I would think that a city that recently won a super bowl with a backup qb would understand an investment in backup qbs. 

49 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I believe Reagor and K’Von Wallace will be starters into a second Eagles contract.  While I worry about how raw Taylor is, he could be a very good ST player pretty quickly.  I was very happy to get Hightower a round later than I saw him going in most mocks pre-draft.  If Driscoll or Wanogho can stick even as depth OL this could be a very strong draft class

The first four picks will be the most scrutinized. A guy like Wallace worries me simply because he was a day 3 pick taken that played on a college football powerhouse. Typically that means his upside isn’t great. Or it’s just because he’s a safety who isn’t great in coverage. 

3 minutes ago, Allhaildawk said:

You’re building in a lot of assumptions and ignoring some basic facts. 
 

Wentz has never played a full year 

a real backup an might’ve gotten us past Seattle

only a 2nd back?  Where is that written in stone?  
 

I hear your points but a lot of them are just your assumptions. Of all places I would think that a city that recently won a super bowl with a backup qb would understand an investment in backup qbs. 

Our past 3 seasons have ended with backup QBs playing in playoff games. It's bonkers to me that fans of this team don't see backup QB as a priority.

3 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

A few somewhat interesting potential  post-draft trade candidates

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29101985/32-nfl-players-most-likely-cut-traded-2020-nfl-draft

Like Marlon Mack as someone who we could add.  I don't what the deal is with Hassan Redick but maybe a LB option?

6 hours ago, ManuManu said:

 

Really interesting take on the situation.  The Eagles clearly want to get more vertical which plays into the strengths of Wentz and Hurts.  Hopefully, these downfield threats can develop opening up the middle of the field for the Ertz/Goedert and running lanes for Sanders.  Could be a recipe for success.

Also I didn't know how much Hurts had improved his mechanics at the Combine as I wasn't thinking QB.  Hopefully, he can build on that and get a better motion.  Same for Wentz.  He needs to stop reverting to that wide stance which severely affects his accuracy.  He looks so much better throwing off the balls of his feet with a less wide stance.    

17 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Our past 3 seasons have ended with backup QBs playing in playoff games. It's bonkers to me that fans of this team don't see backup QB as a priority.

I know but realistically you can’t plan to win SBs with a backup. Yes we did it but it isn’t the model even here. Having a guy who can cover adequately during a 4-8 game stretch while Wentz recovers needs to be a part of the strategy unless/until he changes his game. 

43 minutes ago, RLC said:

This. The core is getting expensive and aging. No guarantee we can replace them, especially Cox. We have this year and maybe next year expecting elite production. Then it's over for most of them.

Cox, Ertz and Lane are 29 years old. They should have at least 3 good years left.

55 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

They got him some weapons but they're still unproven weapons.

If they play like Agholor and JJAW then they're back to square 1.

Desean comes back after basically playing one game last year. Reagor was a first round pick. Goodwin literally has olympic level speed and had 900 yards in 2017. He has two stud TE's, a young stud RB, etc. No more excuses for Carson. He needs to stay healthy for the entire season and playoffs and play like he did in 2017.

30 minutes ago, Allhaildawk said:

You’re building in a lot of assumptions and ignoring some basic facts. 
 

Wentz has never played a full year 

a real backup an might’ve gotten us past Seattle

only a 2nd back?  Where is that written in stone?  
 

I hear your points but a lot of them are just your assumptions. Of all places I would think that a city that recently won a super bowl with a backup qb would understand an investment in backup qbs. 

I never said the 2nd was set in stone. For all the things I mentioned that might be the "best case scenario" which is not what you do with a 2nd Rd pick unless you have a complete roster and can afford a luxury pick of that magnitude.

I understand investing in the backup QB, but he's far from a lock of even being that, especially if there's any truth to him being some kind of gadget WR/RB/QB.

That's my whole point, we are still going to be investing in a vet backup for this year, probably next year, and possibly after.

We'd have to pull at least a 1st out for it to have made any difference and that's possible picks down the road that do little to help win now.

Great, we possibly beat Seattle with him last year, with a bunch of scrub WRs? 

I mean, we're going to crazy lengths to say that backup QBs often win SBs enough to invest like this to justify this pick.

Nick Foles had a playoff run never seen, or to be seen again. Considering that any kind of norm is hoping to create something on odds of getting struck by lightning a handful of times.

Vastly different staff too with the old guard being significantly better.

 

2 hours ago, T-1000 said:

I agree. They got him some weapons/speed this year. No more excuses. Stay healthy, and go out and have an MVP caliber season. Shut up the critics and squash the entire narrative that Hurts was brought in to replace you. Nobody is above competition and being called out. Even the Patriots drafted several QB's on day two during Brady's career, some of which were before he turned 35.

They got him weapons? They acquired a bunch of unproven raw rookie WRs and traded for an oft injured journeymen WR. 

2 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

They got him weapons? They acquired a bunch of unproven raw rookie WRs and traded for an oft injured journeymen WR. 

Preach

2 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

They got him weapons? They acquired a bunch of unproven raw rookie WRs and traded for an oft injured journeymen WR. 

He's a 100 million dollar QB. He has MORE than enough weapons to have success. If he can't have success with this group of guys than he isn't the guy. The excuses for Wentz need to stop.

3 minutes ago, Allhaildawk said:

I know but realistically you can’t plan to win SBs with a backup. Yes we did it but it isn’t the model even here. Having a guy who can cover adequately during a 4-8 game stretch while Wentz recovers needs to be a part of the strategy unless/until he changes his game. 

Unlikely sure, but as you pointed out it's not just the backup's ability to play in a superbowl, it's also getting the team there. And it's not just Wenz's play style: Brees and Brady are 2 of the most injury avoidant QBs in the league and yet the Saints relied on Bridgewater for 5 games in 2019 and the Patriots on Garappolo for 3ish games in 2016 to make the playoffs and in the Pats case win a superbowl.

That becomes even more important going forward with extra games and less playoff byes coming.

4 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

He's a 100 million dollar QB. He has MORE than enough weapons to have success. If he can't have success with this group of guys than he isn't the guy. The excuses for Wentz need to stop.

😂

Just wow.

First QB to throw for 4000 yards without 1 500 yard WR on the year and 🤡 here thinks that's "good enough" to win a SB for any QB.

GMFB

The average WR taken in the 5th or later has about 9 catches and 100 yards for the few rookies who do pan out, but hey we added 2 to 18 for 200! 

Get'r Done Wentz!!!

Just now, PrinceKelby said:

😂

Just wow.

First QB to throw for 4000 yards without 1 500 yard WR on the year and 🤡 here thinks that's "good" enough.

GMFB

That was last year you dunce. I don't recall saying he had enough talent around him last year. Since then they bring back Desean who they had for one game last year. Drafted a WR in the first round. Traded for a guy with olympic speed who had 900 yards in 2017, and drafted two more guys in the 5th and 6th round in a historically deep NFL draft. JJAW is a 2nd round pick going into his second year. Sanders is one of the best young RB's in the league. He has TWO TE's to throw to who are better than most teams number 1 TE. If this isn't enough weapons for him and he can't make it happen than he isn't the guy.

3 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

That was last year you dunce. I don't recall saying he had enough talent around him last year. Since then they bring back Desean who they had for one game last year. Drafted a WR in the first round. Traded for a guy with olympic speed who had 900 yards in 2017, and drafted two more guys in the 5th and 6th round in a historically deep NFL draft. JJAW is a 2nd round pick going into his second year. Sanders is one of the best young RB's in the league. He has TWO TE's to throw to who are better than most teams number 1 TE. If this isn't enough weapons for him and he can't make it happen than he isn't the guy.

Yes, yet you think adding a rookie in the 1st, a oft injured vet given away for a hamburger, and 2 5 Rd picks is giving him as good a shot as any other QB.

 

What did JJAW show you to give you such hope for him to use him as a positive?

Amazing. People will soon things like crazy.

If he doesn't win a SB with this bunch you think it's on him?