Just now, eagle45 said:

 

Because we've never seen an Eagles locker room divided into sides before...?

If Hurts is a Super Bowl MVP, then the Eagles might have a divided locker room.  

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

I don’t like the player but that’s dirt cheap for an ok backup 

Wow that's less than a 2nd round pick.  

Just now, NCiggles said:

This thought of him filling in some gimmick plays is stupid on so many levels.  First, there's no question it would impact his development.  Simply put he would have to focus less on playing QB and more on some trick plays.  Now one or two isn't going to be a problem but 10 to 15 a game is a lot.  Second, you are putting your backup QB, a position you have touted as being so important, at being almost as much at risk of injury as the starter.  So what happens if Hurts gets hurt and then Wentz goes down? It would make no sense to put him in repeated situations that increased that risk if you also want him to be the primary backup.  

We'll gradually learn how they plan to use him.  Right now, it's all talk to put out the fires over the selection.  I don't believe anything they say until we see the proof on the field.

If Wentz stays healthy and Hurts throws 5 passes all year, we'll know they drafted him for insurance.

If Wentz gets hurt and Hurts is the QB, everyone will concede that they made the smart, tough decision in drafting Hurts.  

If Wentz gets hurt and Sudfeld is the QB, we'll know they barely had any plan.

Or, they actually do find a way to make him a part of the offense in some unprecedented capacity...which may be an ineffective gimmick that pisses off Hurts (and Wentz) or may lean towards the hype of 2 QB's throwing the football.

Those are all the possible outcomes.  Talk is cheap.  We'll see which happens.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I don’t like the player but that’s dirt cheap for an ok backup 

Afan said you can only get OK backups by drafting them in the 2nd round.

 

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

It is.   It is Howie saying that he is not going to identify what value they had for Lamb or what might have been asked.  He is saying look at the trades above us.   Some of us have and concluded a trade does not seem to have been value viable.  He has just drafted a first round WR too.  Why do anything to curb Reagor’s excitement of being an Eagles or his ego but entertaining any hard suggestions that he was our second choice.  He is basically saying he is not saying either way if he wanted Lamb  or not.  What he has said is he targeted two WRs in the first round, one was gone but the other is now an Eagle.  That target could have been Ruggs as easily as Lamb.  Rumor was the Eagles were working on the eleventh pick.  There is a chance there was a trade in place but as with any draft, the trade was contingent on whether the player the Eagles targeted was available or the player(s) the Jets targeted weren’t. The latter was not the case and one pick later, the Raiders picked Ruggs.  Howie isn’t going to reveal anything more.  Doesn’t mean reporters won’t ask. 

I think the offensive tackles falling to where they did hurt the Eagles chances of moving up. If they would’ve all went in the top 10 I think the Eagles could’ve moved up into multiple spots. I don’t think the Jets wanted to be sitting there at 11 having to take a wide receiver as the best player available (maybe they go kinlaw). I don’t think Joe Douglas wanted one of those top three wide receivers because he didn’t think it warranted the value at 11. I also think tampa would’ve been open to trading back as they really needed OT/OL help and at 14 (later traded up to 13) they’d probably been more receptive to moving back based on how the board would’ve shaken out. 

25 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Lol that wont stop the media and even a bunch in here calling for the backup after Wentz throws a pick or gets sacked

Some already are.

7 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

We'll gradually learn how they plan to use him.  Right now, it's all talk to put out the fires over the selection.  I don't believe anything they say until we see the proof on the field.

If Wentz stays healthy and Hurts throws 5 passes all year, we'll know they drafted him for insurance.

If Wentz gets hurt and Hurts is the QB, everyone will concede that they made the smart, tough decision in drafting Hurts.  

If Wentz gets hurt and Sudfeld is the QB, we'll know they barely had any plan.

Or, they actually do find a way to make him a part of the offense in some unprecedented capacity...which may be an ineffective gimmick that pisses off Hurts (and Wentz) or may lean towards the hype of 2 QB's throwing the football.

Those are all the possible outcomes.  Talk is cheap.  We'll see which happens.

Afan said you can only get OK backups by drafting them in the 2nd round.

 

He supposedly took less to have an internship with Brees. 

Interesting list.  Career yards per catch.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_yds_per_rec_career.htm

With the advent of the West Coast Offense and the five-yard contact rule, the NFL doesn't throw bombs downfield as much as they used to.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

He supposedly took less to have an internship with Brees. 

Yea he chose QB university over QB factory.

12 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I don’t like the player but that’s dirt cheap for an ok backup 

Yeah that’s where I am. Extremely extremely unlikely but If the saints Manage to get a humbled Winston And he gets his turnover issue under control it’s a great move for the price. That said he likely always is who he is. 

13 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Didn't they have 2 other players within the past couple years that had domestic assault and some child abuse charges?

Just now, Mike030270 said:

Didn't they have 2 other players within the past couple years that had domestic assault and some child abuse charges?

Ya tyreek hill last year. hunt kicking a woman. The chiefs also traded for Frank Clark who i believe punched or beat up his gf

 

22 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Time to offer up Douglas for Gay Jr. 🙂

21 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Wow that's less than a 2nd round pick.  

YEAH!!  And he only throws 30 interceptions a year .... damn you, Howie!!

The idea of signing Winston really cheap rather then drafting a backup in the 2nd is something I would have supported if Winston weren’t such a dirtbag. 

https://overthecap.com/player/rasul-douglas/5685/

Rasul Douglas' contract has only 176K in dead money and 2M in cap savings. He's an easy trade/cut candidate.

57 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Wow that's less than a 2nd round pick.  

And here I was told we were saving money through picking a backup in the 2nd.

Even though he won't be the backup at all this year and Suds is getting, what, $2mil this season?

The "cost saving" argument being used to try to justify the move doesn't hold much water either.

14 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Ya tyreek hill last year. hunt kicking a woman. The chiefs also traded for Frank Clark who i believe punched or beat up his gf

It sounds like they are trying to out do the Cowboys.

4 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

It sounds like they are trying to out do the Cowboys.

that’s why a lot of us said it was super hard to cheer for the Chiefs in the SB because they had a lot of dbags on that team that you just don’t want to root for

9 minutes ago, RLC said:

https://overthecap.com/player/rasul-douglas/5685/

Rasul Douglas' contract has only 176K in dead money and 2M in cap savings. He's an easy trade/cut candidate.

Ya i brought this up during the draft it’s why i was surprised (no rumors) no one tried to trade for him take a chance with a late round pick Swap. Essentially the team dealing for him if he flopped could just cut him for nothing

The Hurts pick, WR speed injection, and LB speed injections have put the LT discussion all the way on the back burner.

The unknown here is vast.  Are the reports of major buyer's remorse with Dillard pure speculation, and they are happy to move forward with him as the LT?  Or did they literally try to trade their presumed starting LT and 2019 first round pick before the draft?

Is Dillard the unquestioned, or at least minimally questioned, starting LT?  Would anyone be that shocked if we saw a headline that they just signed Jason Peters back?  Does Mailata deserve to be in this conversation in some capacity?

Out of Dillard, Mailata, and Prince...I think an optimistic, but reasonable scenario is that they end up with one LT of the future, one quality backup OT, and one bust.  But Dillard is the only one on that list that has any meaningful chance of starting in the NFL this year.  

I wonder if Peters has been holding out a bit because he suspects that his best chance at starting for a playoff contender in 2020 is still here...

46 minutes ago, PrinceKelby said:

Normalizing THAT reality is my point.

Stacking the deck for that to conceivably happen again does absolutely nothing to help your best players now. When people throw out "we won a SB with a backup" is essentially expecting lightning to strike twice. That's still no reason to spend a 2nd on a project backup.

It makes zero sense in our current situation.

Now, had they made this pick coming off the SB, THAT would make a ton more sense, but they use a valuable pick on a backup, no matter the position, is a waste of resources for the immediate needs of this team.

It is going to do nothing to "help Carson" as Howie is trying to sell it.

What exactly is Hurts going to help him with in the QB room?

Especially with the weird times we live in limiting a players development there is no reason to use a pick like that there.

If it made any sense for him a more QB needy team would have taken him.

Just because someone wins the lotto doesn't mean you should take a ton of money you don't have and spend it on lotto tickets expecting you to win too.

 

 

You’re not really hearing me though. That ISNT the point. If I was 100% sure that Hurts never wins us a SB as the guy under center during the game it wouldn’t affect my view on this pick at all. Because it doesn’t change the fact that he could be the guy that plays the four games that keep us in the hunt. 

7 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The Hurts pick, WR speed injection, and LB speed injections have put the LT discussion all the way on the back burner.

The unknown here is vast.  Are the reports of major buyer's remorse with Dillard pure speculation, and they are happy to move forward with him as the LT?  Or did they literally try to trade their presumed starting LT and 2019 first round pick before the draft?

Is Dillard the unquestioned, or at least minimally questioned, starting LT?  Would anyone be that shocked if we saw a headline that they just signed Jason Peters back?  Does Mailata deserve to be in this conversation in some capacity?

Out of Dillard, Mailata, and Prince...I think an optimistic, but reasonable scenario is that they end up with one LT of the future, one quality backup OT, and one bust.  But Dillard is the only one on that list that has any meaningful chance of starting in the NFL this year.  

I wonder if Peters has been holding out a bit because he suspects that his best chance at starting for a playoff contender in 2020 is still here...

I think it was Sheil, on Birds w/ Friends podcast, who retold a draft story from when he interviewed his family after, but the stated he had several "episodes" like we heard last year when he first went to WSU and that "football chose him, not the other way around".

All insightful, yet disturbing stuff. Sheila was very surprised at how candid they were and not sure how the Eagles wouldn't have found out about it before drafting him.

7 minutes ago, Allhaildawk said:

You’re not really hearing me though. That ISNT the point. If I was 100% sure that Hurts never wins us a SB as the guy under center during the game it wouldn’t affect my view on this pick at all. Because it doesn’t change the fact that he could be the guy that plays the four games that keep us in the hunt. 

Could be a backup...it 2 or 3 years who can win a couple games, IMO, not worth a 2nd.

I would say w vet has a better chance of doing that and Carson could learn more from than Hurts or any QB taken, especially with a valuable pick.

This has much higher probability to bite them in the arse than turn out how they seem to think it will 

I think any position in favor of bringing Jameis Winston in pretty much goes right to "Anything other than what we actually did is preferable to what we did" -- just to complain

Winston is dreadful