1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Back to the PS guys

And there were a bunch of people trying to defend Howie for not going after anyone in FA and depending solely on the draft

I mean howie did get Goodwin but really he’s as unreliable if not more so then Jeffery and DeSean staying healthy. Again that’s a lottery ticket acquisition not a given 

47 minutes ago, austinfan said:

One thing that has generally been ignored, it's doubtful than ANY rookies will have a significant impact this season. This draft was really for 2021-22.

Reason - no mini-camps, and a crash training camp, where the emphasis will be to get veterans ready for this season.

While walk ins and practices without pads seem kinda meh, they're vital for helping rookies integrate their new playbook and schemes before they get to camp. We've seen late graduates who miss these practices struggle in training camp for that reason. You can look at film all you want, but you don't develop "muscle memory" staring at a screen.

Then come training camp, coaches will focus on getting the veterans up to speed, not hand holding a bunch of confused rookies this year. Training camp will probably be a bit compressed with a late start, and some social distancing restrictions. So it's unlikely rookies will get the same quality of coaching as in a normal training camp. So Howie may have been drafting as much for an expanded practice squad as to win this season.

In that case, using a 2nd on Hurts makes more sense, if Fulton or Chinn or anyone else picked there is going to struggle this season, then the opportunity cost is less.

12 minutes ago, Mortimer said:

If he does see the field, he can be the difference between making the playoffs or not.   Can any other single player make that claim?

I mean Brandon brooks left the saints playoff game we were up 14-0. We wound up not being very functional on offense the rest of the game outside of a PI on the final offensive drive And losing 20-14

12 minutes ago, Mortimer said:

If he does see the field, he can be the difference between making the playoffs or not.   Can any other single player make that claim?

 

4 minutes ago, Mortimer said:

No player drafted last year was all the difference in a game.  Not even Sanders

So you are talking this years draft? Any other player on this years draft? The answer is still the same, any single player can make any single play that is the difference between us making the playoffs or not. Sanders most certainly did, if he hadn't became a player last year we would have definitely not made the playoffs.

With Jeffery’s injury and lack of offseason programs affecting Reagor, I don’t think it’s illogical to say that on opening day, if we even have an opening day, the top 3 WRs will be Jackson, JJAW, Ward 😬

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I mean Brandon brooks left the saints playoff game we were up 14-0. We wound up not being very functional on offense the rest of the game outside of a PI on the final offensive drive And losing 20-14

This combination of words and numbers makes me very pissed off. Every time.

Just now, FTheCowboys said:

With Jeffery’s injury and lack of offseason programs affecting Reagor, I don’t think it’s illogical to say that on opening day, if we even have an opening day, the top 3 WRs will be Jackson, JJAW, Ward 😬

Why is JJAW going to be better enough to start? He was not good last year with a regular offseason and now he doesn’t have otas, minicamp and potentially shortened TC And he like rookies badly needed them. 

Just now, Double said:

This combination of words and numbers makes me very pissed off. Every time.

I mean just saying that’s the reality. Granted i wouldn’t say it was not his injury that changed it. Foles interception was bad. And they couldn’t get off the field defensively 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think if kinlaw wasn’t there they’d have gone aiyuk or traded back. Again the WR dropping worked out for us but the board with OT and kinlaw worked against us. 

You think they would have gone Aiyuk over Lamb at 12? 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I mean just saying that’s the reality. Granted i wouldn’t say it was not his injury that changed it. Foles interception was bad. And they couldn’t get off the field defensively 

Yeah, it just blows. I truly believe, in a very simplified sense, that game would have been won if it hadn't been for Brooks going down.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

They said they were their two highest rated WRs. Are you saying they’re lying?

I would imagine that "almost dead even" does not mean that they would have taken Aiyuk over Lamb.  

6 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

You think they would have gone Aiyuk over Lamb at 12? 

Well they had 13. I think they were taking kinlaw regardless. If tampa was moving up for kinlaw i don’t think they make the trade. If kinlaw was presumably gone i think they’d have considered trading back again after tampa to 21. I don’t believe they were in love with lamb. I think shanahan looks at aiyuk and could do a lot of the more creative things in his offense. I don’t think the niners drop off from lamb to aiyuk in their mind was great. Not saying lamb was low. Just that they were higher on aiyuk then us and most people. To me i think they would’ve valued 21 and let’s say 53 to have aiyuk and 53 then just lamb. 

18 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I mean it kind of why manu was so passionate about getting a reliable WR in free agency. 

To be fair, I wasn’t anticipating a global pandemic wiping out the offseason...

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Why is JJAW going to be better enough to start? He was not good last year with a regular offseason and now he doesn’t have otas, minicamp and potentially shortened TC And he like rookies badly needed them. 

I mean just saying that’s the reality. Granted i wouldn’t say it was not his injury that changed it. Foles interception was bad. And they couldn’t get off the field defensively 

I don’t think Reagor would start if we have no mini camps, and either no training camp or limited training camp. So at least on opening day I think it would be either JJAW or Goodwin, and I think in that scenario they’ll opt for the young guy and give him a shot to show something.

If the COVID situation gets better though and they’re able to have full offseason programs for rookies, then that changes things. For now, I think it’s a longshot he’s a starter opening day.

4 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

You think they would have gone Aiyuk over Lamb at 12? 

I think Lamb was their WR1 and Aiyuk was a close second based on their comments. 

3 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I would imagine that "almost dead even" does not mean that they would have taken Aiyuk over Lamb.  

I never suggested they would have. I’m saying it’s crazy to have Aiyuk as their second rated WR. 

1 minute ago, FTheCowboys said:

I don’t think Reagor would start if we have no mini camps, and either no training camp or limited training camp. So at least on opening day I think it would be either JJAW or Goodwin, and I think in that scenario they’ll opt for the young guy and give him a shot to show something.

If the COVID situation gets better though and they’re able to have full offseason programs for rookies, then that changes things. For now, I think it’s a longshot he’s a starter opening day.

I think Goodwin is more likely to start then JJAW unless in whatever training camp they have jjaw looks amazing. I would be surprised if JJAW is starting over Goodwin. If JJAW showed much as a rookie I’d see it. I view JJAW in the same boat as rookies as he badly needed this offseason of work. He might know the offense better than rookies but he needs as much help this offseason as rookies 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think Goodwin is more likely to start then JJAW unless in whatever training camp they have jjaw looks amazing. I would be surprised if JJAW is starting over Goodwin. If JJAW showed much as a rookie I’d see it. I view JJAW in the same boat as rookies as he badly needed this offseason of work. He might know the offense better than rookies but he needs as much help this offseason as rookies 

It’s possible. I don’t think it’s some lock JJAW starts or anything. I just don’t think Goodwin with his lack of production and injury history provides a lot of confidence there either.

Even if it is Goodwin over JJAW that’s a very uninspiring group of WRs on opening day. At least Wentz will be the healthiest he’s ever been.

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I think Lamb was their WR1 and Aiyuk was a close second based on their comments. 

I never suggested they would have. I’m saying it’s crazy to have Aiyuk as their second rated WR. 

If kinlaw was gone by pick 13 and let’s assume niners would be willing to deal out of 13 still. I think if and a big if cause we Don’t know but if the eagles offered 21 and 53 i think the niners would’ve valued being able to get aiyuk at 21 and getting pick 53 more than just lamb as they might have loved aiyuk almost as much as lamb but the extra pick when they had fewer likely had more value then the difference in their opinion of aiyuk and lamb. That said it really doesn’t matter cause it didn’t happen. 

About Reagor, I think his dad having been an nfl player, having been an intern previously on a coaching staff (right here in Philly), and having a relationship (ex-player on the same team) with the new wr coach could offset the weird offseason. His father is an asset right now, so you never know. He may be ready earlier than some think

I thought this was a good read, even if you don’t agree he backs it up with good points.

Just now, obedt said:

About Reagor, I think his dad having been an nfl player, having been an intern previously on a coaching staff (right here in Philly), and having a relationship (ex-player on the same team) with the new wr coach could offset the weird offseason. His father is an asset right now, so you never know. He may be ready earlier than some think

I’m not sure how much his dad can tell him about playing WR in the NFL. Maybe he can help him with how to handle his body and film work throughout the week, which obviously would help, but I tend to think it’s overrated. 

2 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

I think any position in favor of bringing Jameis Winston in pretty much goes right to "Anything other than what we actually did is preferable to what we did" -- just to complain

Winston is dreadful

Yes he is...he is not an ‘ok’ backup, because he is not even an ok QB.  Terrible decision maker.  He had more Total turnovers (35) than TDs (31) last year.  

Just now, ManuManu said:

I’m not sure how much his dad can tell him about playing WR in the NFL. Maybe he can help him with how to handle his body and film work throughout the week, which obviously would help, but I tend to think it’s overrated. 

At worst he has understands aspects of the pro game, the Eagles expectations, and has additional access to Moorehead. At best he can be an accessible sounding board for doubts on the playbook.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

I couldn’t disagree more. If anything, you’re making a point on why you don’t draft a QB — the hardest position to learn. You’re wasting a year of a cost controlled BACKUP QB, a guy who if he’s any good will sign elsewhere to compete after three years of usefulness here. 

Except almost no one is expecting Hurt to be the guy to rescue this team this season in any case. So the lack of TC has less impact on him.

For this season, it's Sudfeld or someone they sign (but who is worth signing?). If Hurts plays, it won't be until the end of the season.

The presumption was the opportunity cost was a player who could just step in, but if that's in doubt, then the opportunity cost was lower.

Which also may explain the Goodwin acquisition, Doug probably expects to start the season with JJAW, DJax and Ward, with Goodwin insurance for Djax, and Reagor gradually working his way into PT. Hightower and Watkins will be stashed on the bench or the PS as Reagor gets the lion's share of pre-season and practice time.

Won't surprise me if Howie adds a veteran or two before camp.

4 minutes ago, obedt said:

At worst he has understands aspects of the pro game, the Eagles expectations, and has additional access to Moorehead. At best he can be an accessible sounding board for doubts on the playbook.

Maybe. The previous relationship with Moorehead helps.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

I couldn’t disagree more. If anything, you’re making a point on why you don’t draft a QB — the hardest position to learn. You’re wasting a year of a cost controlled BACKUP QB, a guy who if he’s any good will sign elsewhere to compete after three years of usefulness here. 

I didn’t see a single message board post, tweet, special media post, hear a sports radio call, or see an Eagles column saying "You know what? Everyone’s talking about taking WR or CB early, what about taking a QB in the first two rounds? The Eagles could really use a backup QB!”

Hey, if people wanna like this pick that’s their right, but if people truly think this is important, where were all those takes leading up to the draft? You’d think if it was that important it would have been in the minds if the fans and writers. 🤷🏻‍♂️