7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Maybe. The previous relationship with Moorehead helps.

Yeah, it’s just a maybe honestly. Could help him gain ground, may not help at all as well. 

So the Saints nabbed a NFL starting caliber QB for their backup for $1 million while the Eagles wasted a 2nd round pick on a project QB to backup the backup QB. Smooth.

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

I usually refer to @justrelax for Oline opinions. I would be upset if they went back to Peters. Dillard looked good to me when he was playing while Peters was out. Is Mailata healthy? The first time I think the back injury was real. I think the second time it was just to stash him on IR so no one could get him

Yea but then he'd complain about getting the ball and also too busy fighting with the equipment

I appreciate the kind words, though misplaced. I agree that we have to move on from Peters. Will Dillard be as good as Peters was, now or ever? No, but he has to play. And if not Dillard, then Mailata. Tega needs some time to get coached up. I can't see us carrying more than four tackles - Lane and three young guys - so there's no room for Peters. I put no stock in the blather Kempski and McLane put out about Dillard. I could be wrong, of course, but it smells like personal animosity to me. Kempski in particular can be a real wise a** and I can see players not liking him. Some of his stuff is pretty degrading.

31 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Cool story brah

I am known for being pretty cool.  Never as a brah, but I'm hip.  

5 minutes ago, xBMTx said:

So the Saints nabbed a NFL starting caliber QB for their backup for $1 million while the Eagles wasted a 2nd round pick on a project QB to backup the backup QB. Smooth.

Yeah having a backup QB that threw 30 INTs last year is really something to be envious of

22 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Except almost no one is expecting Hurt to be the guy to rescue this team this season in any case. So the lack of TC has less impact on him.

For this season, it's Sudfeld or someone they sign (but who is worth signing?). If Hurts plays, it won't be until the end of the season.

The presumption was the opportunity cost was a player who could just step in, but if that's in doubt, then the opportunity cost was lower.

Which also may explain the Goodwin acquisition, Doug probably expects to start the season with JJAW, DJax and Ward, with Goodwin insurance for Djax, and Reagor gradually working his way into PT. Hightower and Watkins will be stashed on the bench or the PS as Reagor gets the lion's share of pre-season and practice time.

Won't surprise me if Howie adds a veteran or two before camp.

So a 2nd round pick for 3 seasons of a backup QB.   Seems like questionable value to me.

For 2020 alone, there's no doubt Winston at $1M ($3M with incentives) is better value than using a 2nd round pick on Jalen Hurts.

The benefit of going with Hurts is that you get him for cheap as well, but for 4 years. So it's a long term thing with Hurts.

6 minutes ago, xBMTx said:

So the Saints nabbed a NFL starting caliber QB for their backup for $1 million while the Eagles wasted a 2nd round pick on a project QB to backup the backup QB. Smooth.

Its interesting,  as one of the rubs is what it means for Carson, how he's viewed by the team, etc.  Imagine the stories if the Eagles sign Winston.  Though,  of course, it's laughable to think Winston would even consider backing up Wentz.  Backing up Brees who is 41 years old, about to retire, and is currently backed up by the 21 million dollar gadget QB, well, that is the definition of Winston betting on himself.   

Does anybody in here seriously think Winston would sign here or that the Eagles would want him?   I understand the argument, but to use Winston as the example is ridiculous.   

10 minutes ago, xBMTx said:

So the Saints nabbed a NFL starting caliber QB for their backup for $1 million while the Eagles wasted a 2nd round pick on a project QB to backup the backup QB. Smooth.

Yea starting caliber alright 😂

Just now, Maga301 said:

Yea starting caliber alright 😂

Dude threw for 5000 yards and 30 tds.  He turns the ball over at a horrendous rate, but he is starting caliber.  

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

One thing that has generally been ignored, it's doubtful than ANY rookies will have a significant impact this season. This draft was really for 2021-22.

Reason - no mini-camps, and a crash training camp, where the emphasis will be to get veterans ready for this season.

While walk ins and practices without pads seem kinda meh, they're vital for helping rookies integrate their new playbook and schemes before they get to camp. We've seen late graduates who miss these practices struggle in training camp for that reason. You can look at film all you want, but you don't develop "muscle memory" staring at a screen.

Then come training camp, coaches will focus on getting the veterans up to speed, not hand holding a bunch of confused rookies this year. Training camp will probably be a bit compressed with a late start, and some social distancing restrictions. So it's unlikely rookies will get the same quality of coaching as in a normal training camp. So Howie may have been drafting as much for an expanded practice squad as to win this season.

In that case, using a 2nd on Hurts makes more sense, if Fulton or Chinn or anyone else picked there is going to struggle this season, then the opportunity cost is less.

How does it make more sense?

So he gets less development too so we are probably having to sign a vet backup next anyways.

This is why it was far more imperative to select more "ready" players than developmental projects.

6 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Clear as mud. 

Right.  He's not going to be clear what deal (if any) was on the table, or what picks were being discussed.  But, he seemed to clearly refute the idea that it was as simple as #53 and #21 for #16.  And he leaves the door open (seemingly purposefully) that it included future picks.  I want no part in trading away future picks for a WR in Round 1 of a deep WR draft.  That's poor resource management.  And as others have said, I'd be ok with trading a Round 1 and Round 2 pick in a given draft for a QB, OT, and maybe a DE like Chase Young.  But for any other position that just seems too expensive.  And the only reason I say those positions I'd be ok with it, is because QBs outside the top 5-10 generally aren't guys that are transcendent.  OTs that you plug in at LT (and to an extent now RT) and just forget about that position from year 1 to year 10 are guys you find in the top 5-10.  And DEs like Young, again, guys that come in Year 1 and impact every thing that defense does for the next decade are top 5-10 picks... and those guys are usually 'can''t miss' types.  So, unless you are getting Jonathan Ogden, Joe Thomas, Von Miller, Khalil Mack, or taking your shot at a QB, I don't see value in trading away Round 1 and Round 2 picks for any other position.   If this was a 3-4 team, some beast OLB edge rusher would replace the DE.  

 

 

2 minutes ago, MediterraneanDiet said:

Dude threw for 5000 yards and 30 tds.  He turns the ball over at a horrendous rate, but he is starting caliber.  

Evidently not

1 minute ago, schuy7 said:

For 2020 alone, there's no doubt Winston at $1M ($3M with incentives) is better value than using a 2nd round pick on Jalen Hurts.

The benefit of going with Hurts is that you get him for cheap as well, but for 4 years. So it's a long term thing with Hurts.

I wasn't aware that teams across the league were busting their cap on backup QBs.

Chiefs backup QB has a $1.2m cap hit per year.  Saints now have a $1m hit from their backup.  49'ers $1m cap hit.  Ravens backup RGIII 2 years 4m total.  Seahawks 710k.  That covers most of the NFL's best teams right there.

I'd say the rationale that Hurts was drafted to save cap is complete and utter BS.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

I couldn’t disagree more. If anything, you’re making a point on why you don’t draft a QB — the hardest position to learn. You’re wasting a year of a cost controlled BACKUP QB, a guy who if he’s any good will sign elsewhere to compete after three years of usefulness here. 

And with everything in flux right now it could be more than a year wasted.

11 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

So a 2nd round pick for 3 seasons of a backup QB.   Seems like questionable value to me.

And a significantly decreased opportunity for an early cost-saving extension. 

10 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

For 2020 alone, there's no doubt Winston at $1M ($3M with incentives) is better value than using a 2nd round pick on Jalen Hurts.

The benefit of going with Hurts is that you get him for cheap as well, but for 4 years. So it's a long term thing with Hurts.

As far as second round picks go, Hurts is as short term as it gets. With second round picks at any other position, you think 10 years, not four. 

7 minutes ago, MediterraneanDiet said:

Dude threw for 5000 yards and 30 tds.  He turns the ball over at a horrendous rate, but he is starting caliber.  

You people crack me up.

”he turns the ball over at a horrendous rate but he is starting caliber” 

😂

Just now, eagle45 said:

I wasn't aware that teams across the league were busting their cap on backup QBs.

Chiefs backup QB has a $1.2m cap hit per year.  Saints now have a $1m hit from their backup.  49'ers $1m cap hit.  Ravens backup RGIII 2 years 4m total.  Seahawks 710k.  That covers most of the NFL's best teams right there.

I'd say the rationale that Hurts was drafted to save cap is complete and utter BS.

I think the Eagles are a unique situation. There's no doubt in my mind Wentz's availability/durability played a part in the Eagles overvaluing the backup QB.

I think if you asked the Eagles what they think are the most important players on their team, they would say QB1 and QB2.

McCown's answer? Absolute money.

LEFKOE: What is Carson's mindset? And do fans need to worry about that?

MCCOWN: I don't think so, and here's why. You said it: I go back to the last four weeks of the season last year. When you can change the parts around you and continue to play at a high level, and your level even goes up? You know, 4,000 yards without a receiver going over 500 is incredible.

I just thought, down the stretch, he played at such a high level that his confidence is off the charts. It's a bummer how the playoff game worked out with the injury. But his mindset is - to bring in a second-round quarterback, I don't think that's a thing. Because he's in such a different place, because of where he took the guys. 

And then you look at, 'Okay, last year we took a relative group of unknowns and we made our way into the playoffs. Now we've drafted some guys that are 4.3 guys, we added Goodwin.' All this stuff, we're going, 'Okay Carson, if you can work that magic you did for the last four weeks, what can you do with these guys?'

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/josh-mccown-defends-carson-wentz-eagles-jalen-hurts-pick

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

As far as second round picks go, Hurts is as short term as it gets. With second round picks at any other position, you think 10 years, not four. 

Of course.

By long term, I mean you're able to roster Hurts at $1.5M for four years. With Winston, you'll have him at $1M this year, but after that he's going to want to be paid.

6 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Evidently not

Not today, that is correct. 

6 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I wasn't aware that teams across the league were busting their cap on backup QBs.

Chiefs backup QB has a $1.2m cap hit per year.  Saints now have a $1m hit from their backup.  49'ers $1m cap hit.  Ravens backup RGIII 2 years 4m total.  Seahawks 710k.  That covers most of the NFL's best teams right there.

I'd say the rationale that Hurts was drafted to save cap is complete and utter BS.

You’re comparing the Eagles, who clearly value to backup QB position, to teams that obviously don’t as much. 

Look at what the Eagles spent on Daniel and Foles. 

5 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

I think the Eagles are a unique situation. There's no doubt in my mind Wentz's availability/durability played a part in the Eagles overvaluing the backup QB.

I think if you asked the Eagles what they think are the most important players on their team, they would say QB1 and QB2.

I am a Wentz fan.  But to cite Bill Parcells loosely, if QB 2 is the 2nd most important player on your team, then you have a serious problem with QB1.