10 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Dont like the move. Its been time to move on from Clement's injuries. Ill feel bad cutting an eagles fan playing for his team living his dream. But you just can not keep him on the team and see a guy like Scott and/or Warren go elsewhere only to watch Clement get injured again. I dont like the thought of that, and I also dont like the idea of treating him as a camp body. 

The only 2 RBs on the roster are Scott, Killens and Sanders I think.  They will keep at least 4 RBs.  Clement is a good option as a 4th RB.    

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

 

I was gonna mention that, but I kinda think it’s Winston with a decent amount of Hill. Kind of a platoon. 

I agree, which makes Hill a glorified back up 3QB/RB/ST/WR.

 

16 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I like that they're bringing him back.  If he's healthy, he can be a good contributor.  I don't think there's anyone else out there that has potential other than Devonta Freeman.  

Hyde. But he might want more money/bigger role than Eagles are willing to offer. Lamar Miller/Isaiah Crowell maybe but they could be cooked. I just really hope its not McCoy

5 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Could it be both a poor value and a signal a problem with Wentz? I mean regardless of Wentz's health and continued career I think there's a fair chance Hurts may not develop as even a competent back up in the NFL.  Wentz may retire next week or turn into Nate Peterman and it doesn't make the pick any better if Hurts can't win an NFL game.

Additionally, it's possible the Eagles believe, erroneously, there is a likelihood Wentz will miss time again in the future and they need a better back up than Sudfield or others.  It's possible that Wentz never misses another NFL game.  He throws for 5,000 yards and 55 TD's a season for the next 10 years and Hurts only sees the field in wrap duty.  If he can't play, it doesn't make the pick better.  Even if Hurts can play really well, it still wasn't a good use of a 2nd round pick.

Where I see things, is that this team needs to be in the best position to win home field advantage through the playoffs.  Hurts likely isn't going to win them more games next season.  Another player like Mims, Chinn or Fulton would have had a better chance.  

The best case scenario for guys like Mims, Chinn, and Fulton is that they turn into perennial pro-bowl players. The best case scenario for Hurts is that he never sees the field since that means Wentz is healthy and playing at an elite level taking the team to the playoffs. That's what makes it a bad pick in the second round. I understand their logic. I get that they wanted to overpay for an insurance policy. But that still doesn't make it a good pick at the value. They flopped on the Thorson pick last year and felt that they needed to reach for a backup. 

If people in here thought it was annoying whenever someone pointed out Metcalf making a big play (who coincidentally ended our season last year), just wait until a guy like Mims starts making plays. 

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

The only 2 RBs on the roster are Scott, Killens and Sanders I think.  They will keep at least 4 RBs.  Clement is a good option as a 4th RB.    

Holyfield and Warren are here too. 

On 4/28/2020 at 11:05 PM, EagleTen said:

Unfortunately, nothing WIP related is available to me here in the UK...WIP block any UK/EU streams of any kind.

At least it explains why I din't know about the Atlanta offer...

But thanks anyway...

VPN, will work

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

And all three LBs...

I was thinking about the secondary specifically, but yeah. I’m highly disappointed the way they handled the linebacking position. I do like Taylor a lot but he’s a project and they should of had more at the position before he was drafted. I don’t think the temple kid will amount to much. I’m not sure if Flajole warranted coming back either. Maybe they still address linebacker with a cheap vet signing... 

16 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I don’t see any downside to this at all. 

Just wish they'd move on from him really. I think 2017 was a fluke and he can't stay healthy. Not much good as a depth guy if he's never healthy. 

1 minute ago, justrelax said:

Manichaean logic. Nabob was a cultural reference.

In fairness, it's not like you're the silent majority on this.  

Clement is a good pickup.  He played out of his mind down the stretch as a rookie, most notably in the biggest game of all.

As a rookie udfa, he was sturdy and smooth, if not explosive.  Injuries seem to have taken their toll early for him.  He just seems to move like a replacement level player.

But his familiarity with the offense, sentimental value, and the need for a larger clock-eating, carry-eating back for low-leverage situations make him a perfect addition.  Keep expectations in check though; the fact that no one else kicked the tires shows what little he might have left, even at 25.

5 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

The only 2 RBs on the roster are Scott, Killens and Sanders I think.  They will keep at least 4 RBs.  Clement is a good option as a 4th RB.    

I'd rather have Warren than a sure to be injured Clement. Scott or Killins can fill the #3 pass catching role.

7 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

The best case scenario for guys like Mims, Chinn, and Fulton is that they turn into perennial pro-bowl players. The best case scenario for Hurts is that he never sees the field since that means Wentz is healthy and playing at an elite level taking the team to the playoffs. That's what makes it a bad pick in the second round. I understand their logic. I get that they wanted to overpay for an insurance policy. But that still doesn't make it a good pick at the value. They flopped on the Thorson pick last year and felt that they needed to reach for a backup. 

If people in here thought it was annoying whenever someone pointed out Metcalf making a big play (who coincidentally ended our season last year), just wait until a guy like Mims starts making plays. 

What do you think is the best case scenario for Hurts? I think your post confused that with what was the best case scenario for the team

It's a nothing contract for him to come try out. If he's no good in camp, then give him a thanks but no thanks and move on

The actual QB controversy from the draft will be in Green Bay.  These guys are closer to actual sports commentators than most of the ESPN types

 

2 hours ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I think the bolded is the key point. I think that even those people who are negative about the pick would have been happy to select a quarterback with the 53rd pick if they had that player rated as the first player overall...or second...or fifth...or tenth...or fifteenth...or twentieth. There would eventually be a cutoff where they wouldn't be satisfied, but the fact that there would be some point of demarcation suggests that the pick made sense *IF* the grade on Hurts was high enough.  And for what it's worth, the list I was using throughout the draft had him rated in the top 45, which made me much more tolerant of the decision than I think most people were. Time will tell. At any rate, we should all root like hell that he plays great.

For me it has nothing to do with where he was rated on someone's board. Those things are all over the place anyways, as there is no "one concensus board" that everyone uses.

Besides, you make your board based on a mesh of needs, fits, ceiling/floor, etc.

We have so many holes that this pick made no sense, especially with the mass amount of talent that would help more far sooner, and probably more, than who we picked.

 

15 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Additionally, it's possible the Eagles believe, erroneously, there is a likelihood Wentz will miss time again in the future and they need a better back up than Sudfield or others.  It's possible that Wentz never misses another NFL game.  He throws for 5,000 yards and 55 TD's a season for the next 10 years and Hurts only sees the field in wrap duty.  If he can't play, it doesn't make the pick better.  Even if Hurts can play really well, it still wasn't a good use of a 2nd round pick.

What if he plays so well that the Eagles are able to trade him during the '23 season for a first round pick in '24? Under that very specific scenario, would you consider it to have been a good use of a second round pick?

4 minutes ago, obedt said:

What do you think is the best case scenario for Hurts? I think your post confused that with what was the best case scenario for the team

It's really one in the same. If Hurts has to see significant action this year, that is not good for the team. The only way he can prove himself to be a good player is at the expense of your $100 million franchise quarterback being hurt. I understand he's an insurance policy, but that's why the best case scenario for him as a player on this team is to be on the bench holding a clipboard. 

10 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I'd rather have Warren than a sure to be injured Clement. Scott or Killins can fill the #3 pass catching role.

I want Killins on this team. He can contribute with some runs, passes and return as well. He’s no Pumphrey 

3 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

It's really one in the same. If Hurts has to see significant action this year, that is not good for the team. The only way he can prove himself to be a good player is at the expense of your $100 million franchise quarterback being hurt. I understand he's an insurance policy, but that's why the best case scenario for him as a player on this team is to be on the bench holding a clipboard. 

Why are you reducing the value of the draft pick to only this year?

47 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Don’t call me negative just because someone won’t let you have it both ways.  Either it’s poor value or there is a problem with Wentz.

How many QBs stay healthy every season?

And, also, who is to say the eagles don’t get production from Hurts even if Wentz is healthy?

1 minute ago, obedt said:

Why are you reducing the value of the draft pick to only this year?

Because a second rounder should have a chance to be an immediate impact player for the team and help in the ensuing season. The same way Sanders was last season. If they made this pick in the 4th or 5th, I'd have no issue with it whatsoever. And it's the same issue for 2021 and after where the best case scenario for the team is that Hurts never sees the field other than his gimmick plays. 

Somewhere in an alternate universe, Eagles fans are scolding the Cowboys for drafting Jalen Hurts in the second round and praising Howie for successfully trading up for CeeDee Lamb.

6 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

It's really one in the same. If Hurts has to see significant action this year, that is not good for the team. The only way he can prove himself to be a good player is at the expense of your $100 million franchise quarterback being hurt. I understand he's an insurance policy, but that's why the best case scenario for him as a player on this team is to be on the bench holding a clipboard. 

He’s not going to be holding a clipboard, though.  He will have a package of plays — maybe only 2-3 per game, maybe 4-6 plays to make the defense account for him and game plan for him.  Where he differs from Taysom Hill is that Hill is only a gadget #3 QB.  Teddy Bridgewater stepped in and kept the Saints season on track.

Hurts will be the guy entrusted to step in and play QB in addition to being a weapon X/joker 

47 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

You might want to settle in and get comfortable.

More likely to just block you like most people do

6 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

He’s not going to be holding a clipboard, though.  He will have a package of plays — maybe only 2-3 per game, maybe 4-6 plays to make the defense account for him and game plan for him.  Where he differs from Taysom Hill is that Hill is only a gadget #3 QB.  Teddy Bridgewater stepped in and kept the Saints season on track.

Hurts will be the guy entrusted to step in and play QB in addition to being a weapon X/joker 

Yeah, I get that and I'm not a fan of it. It's not like Hurts has 4.3 speed like Lamar and can be a game-changer on any given play. And people need to stop using Hill as the precedent trying to justify the pick. Hill was an undrafted player who contributed on special teams and found a way to be incorporated in New Orleans' offense, not a second round pick. His value justifies his use. 

They ran this same gimmick crap with McNabb and Vick when Mornhingweg was here ten years ago, and go figure he's back on the staff and they want to run it again. They have one of the best red zone and third down quarterbacks in the league with Wentz, so I'm not a fan of taking the ball out of his hands in those situations to run some high school scheme and watch Hurts get stuffed on a 3rd and 3.