21 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Peters market value 

is he coming in as a back up for cheap?

or

are he is coming back as a cheap starter that is good for a injury every other play or game? 

 

im good on bringing Peters at all. his market is down because his health is a major question mark. 

48 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I said before this was a mediocre draft except for a few players.  Every player the Eagles drafted has something they need to work on to become better players.

Reagor. Shifty athlete, sudden in and out of breaks, eats up cushion on vertical routes, stems moves together in routes and open field, big play ability with second burst to pull away  
Hurts.  Accurate in the short to intermediate routes, high level athlete, solid build and strong in the pocket

Taylor.  Crazy athlete with sprinter speed, fast angles and works downhill, twitchy in coverage with elite range

Wallace   Quick to diagnose, reacting well to plays in front of him, good movement skills, strong tackler.

Driscoll  good footwork, doesn't allow his base to get too narrow

Hightower   Excellent straight line speed, accelerates quickly reaching top speed and shifting gears quickly

Bradley  Above average pursuit speed and takes good angles to the ball

Watkins  Elite top end speed with natural acceleration, eats up pursuit angles, long arms

Wanogho  Great in space, gets out of stance quickly, maintains a wide base

Toohill   Impressive pash rush quickness and good bend, moves well laterally

 

 

See I did it too. It's almost like every prospect has strengths and weaknesses and no prospect is perfect. I'll even throw in a bonus:

Chase Young needs to improve snap anticipation, doesn't always show the same motor when plays go away from him

I have my doubts about these guys too but to write up a list of their weaknesses and say "see, they all suck" is disingenuous at best.

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

He was unblocked on that strip sack.  Not taking it away from him, but if his shining moment is an unblocked sack, he’s got work to do.

He wasn’t unblocked. They tried to block him with the TE. 

You’ve got to pick top 3...not top 5...and in the right draft, not just any year, to have a shot at a prospect with no meaningful weaknesses.

 

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

To those who say the 40 doesn’t matter, the Vikings GM on Jefferson...

"The biggest thing that lifted him up in this process – was you seen good speed on tape and after the catch, but when he went and ran in the 4.4s at the Combine, that went and elevated his status even more.”

It serves more for validation than anything. Everyone knew Ruggs had speed so him running a 4.27 didn't surprise anyone. Had he ran a 4.44, that would have been an issue. Reagor actually had an underwhelming 40, but that was due to the weight gain. He plays faster than the 40 that he ran. Quez ran the second fastest 40 of the receiver group and still went in the sixth round. 

It's just a part of the formula. It's not meaningless, but it's not as important as some people make it out to be. 

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Literally the first person I’ve heard say anything close to that 

Him or me?

Just now, ManuManu said:

Him or me?

Him. Every quote from media heads/anonymous scouts/internet wannabes was his 40 time should be more or less disregarded because he doesn’t play anywhere near that speed on film 

 

8 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

He wasn’t unblocked. They tried to block him with the TE. 

This is a loose definition of being blocked by a TE.

48 minutes ago, IINorthStar said:

Can you list the positive side now

My point was to highlight what refining the draft choices need in a season which may have limited time to coach those issues.  I think I have posted plenty about most all of the draft choices and Warren about what I like except Bradley. Gues I could say in workouts he seems to be a good athlete. 

20 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

To those who say the 40 doesn’t matter, the Vikings GM on Jefferson...

"The biggest thing that lifted him up in this process – was you seen good speed on tape and after the catch, but when he went and ran in the 4.4s at the Combine, that went and elevated his status even more.”

What an idiotic way of running a draft. Oh we liked the guy when we scouted him, but we only liked him enough to draft him in the first round when he had a good sprint in shorts.

The Eagles did the exact opposite. Reagor ran a disappointing 40 time but they saw the explosive traits and speed when they scouted him and drafted him over Jefferson. All of these people who continue to call Reagor a reach and say we screwed up not drafting Jefferson are going to look silly. We got Tyreek Hill, they got Keenan Allen.

18 minutes ago, Reagormortis said:

See I did it too. It's almost like every prospect has strengths and weaknesses and no prospect is perfect. I'll even throw in a bonus:

Chase Young needs to improve snap anticipation, doesn't always show the same motor when plays go away from him

I have my doubts about these guys too but to write up a list of their weaknesses and say "see, they all suck" is disingenuous at best.

And where did I say, they all suck. I said they had things the need to work on to become better players. Anything I listed you disagree with?

11 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

He’s fast. 

11 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

This is a loose definition of being blocked by a TE.

The TE tried to block him but Barnett came in too fast for him.  Good play by Barnett. 

21 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

To those who say the 40 doesn’t matter, the Vikings GM on Jefferson...

"The biggest thing that lifted him up in this process – was you seen good speed on tape and after the catch, but when he went and ran in the 4.4s at the Combine, that went and elevated his status even more.”

Ive seen the same tape hes seen and i disagree. Jefferson by no means looks slow but he doesnt look 4.4 speed.

Its interesting because peopke tout a " scouts" eye over the common arm chair gm, interestingly the "experts" are wrong or right about as much as the casual observer. They have more information and resources than the average observer yet they fail at their projections as often as most.

The draft is a crap shoot. Who ever this dude is he may be right he may be wrong, itll at least be interesting to watch unfold.

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

He’s fast. 

And he tackles. With the exception of Toohill, all the defensive players tackle.  Taylor and Wallace are especially good at it. 

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

The TE tried to block him but Barnett came in too fast for him.  Good play by Barnett. 

He made the play that was in front of him.  It was a good play.  If that’s THE play that justifies his selection here, he hasn’t done enough.  

33 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

This is a loose definition of being blocked by a TE.

If he were a player you liked, you wouldn’t say a thing. In fact, you’d probably talk about the guy’s speed off the edge beating the TE’s angle. 

Regardless, he had six sacks as a rookie, including one of the most important defensive plays in the playoff run. 

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

He made the play that was in front of him.  It was a good play.  If that’s THE play that justifies his selection here, he hasn’t done enough.  

Stop. I said six sacks. You said five. I counted the playoff game and you immediately discounted it, later back tracking and calling it a good play. 

No one is justifying the pick. You’re just moving the goal posts. 

Just now, ManuManu said:

If he were a player you liked, you wouldn’t say a thing. In fact, you’d probably talk about the guy’s speed off the edge beating the TE’s angle. 

Regardless, he had six sacks as a rookie, including one of the most important defensive plays in playoff run. 

5 in the regular season...

I don’t think anyone looking at things fairly would boast about his speed off the edge.

He’s not bad.  He’s someone you put on the field, trust him to not get taken advantage of, and to take care of an assignment.  But you rely on other guys surrounding him to be the reason your team is better than others and wins games.  That’s what Jordan Matthews was.  That’s what Barnett is.

35 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

He was unblocked on that strip sack.  Not taking it away from him, but if his shining moment is an unblocked sack, he’s got work to do.

The TE did try to block him. 

Just now, ManuManu said:

Stop. I said six sacks. You said five. I counted the playoff game and you immediately discounted it, later back tracking and calling it a good play. 

No one is justifying the pick. You’re just moving the goal posts. 

Playoff stats usually aren’t padded in to regular season stats when discussing productivity.  In fact, they never are.  It was a good play.  I won’t deny him that.  
 

I will defer to @HazletonEagle for any further Barnett discourse tonight.

Barnett has been average. Nothing more, nothing less. What makes it more tolerable is that the players taken around him in the first round that year haven't set the world on fire. Maybe he takes a similar trajectory to what we saw in Graham. Graham was more frustrating at this point of his career because he was constantly compared to Earl Thomas. 

7 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Playoff stats usually aren’t padded in to regular season stats when discussing productivity.  In fact, they never are.  It was a good play.  I won’t deny him that.  

This would have been a perfectly reasonable first response instead of crapping on the strip sack. 

1 minute ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Barnett has been average. Nothing more, nothing less. What makes it more tolerable is that the players taken around him in the first round that year haven't set the world on fire. Maybe he takes a similar trajectory to what we saw in Graham. Graham was more frustrating at this point of his career because he was constantly compared to Earl Thomas. 

I would have taken Malik Hooker, and he hasn’t panned out at all. (I’d love to trade for him for cheap though). 

My bigger issue with Barnett is that he seems a bit like a hot head and has had some cheap shots. The Williams hit in the Green Bay game and diving at the Jets lineman on Gerry's pick six just to name a few. He also had a bad roughing the passer call in the Seattle playoff game.