He was on 97.5 yesterday complaining that the Eagles took Reagor over Mims.

42 minutes ago, hputenis said:

If Wentz doesn't get illegally blasted in the head on his way to the ground by one of the dirtiest players in the league in the playoffs last year, do the Eagles still make this ridiculous pick at 53?  

I think maybe. You also have to remember that his back issue can literally pop up at any time. 

Also, if I recalled correctly during the draft, there wasnt a single QB taken in round 2 or 3. Other than Hurts. Which is not really something that normally happens.

It might speak volumes about the way teams viewed this QB class. Probably means they really thought it was terrible. But then to take Hurts in a class like this must mean they really liked him. Bill Parcells used to tell his scouting department (say if they were looking for a QB), "I dont want to hear that this is a bad QB class. We just need 1. It doesnt matter if the class is bad. Your job is to find the one good one."

 

The eagles clearly thought they needed a good backup. They apparently havent been comfortable with Sudfeld in the #2 role. While they typically spend money on a good backup, they decided instead to use a draft pick and have him under control for a few years on a cheap rookie deal. Had they liked the QB class, maybe they take a guy later. But it seems they, like every other team didnt like this QB class. They identified their 1 guy and didnt want to risk missing. 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The bolded doesn't even make sense. He had that opportunity this year and came back for a measly $2M. 

Just repeating what Howie said twice 

18 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I think what Howie meant by what he said was, they have their SB now they want to be known as a QB factory., going forward.  That obviously came from Doug.  Since Doug always wanted to be like Andy.  Andy was able to get something out of Detmer and Feeley for a few games and then was able to turn Feeley into a 2nd round pick. He might be thinking they can fleece Miami in a few years again, when Tua falls apart.  

Actually, it came from Lurie.

"The goal is to have two QBs in the top 10"

I keep telling y'all, Hurts is the steve young play

53 minutes ago, hputenis said:

If Wentz doesn't get illegally blasted in the head on his way to the ground by one of the dirtiest players in the league in the playoffs last year, do the Eagles still make this ridiculous pick at 53?  

Since the Eagles don’t have a #2 QB either way, yes.

 

15 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Just repeating what Howie said twice 

Oh I know, didn't mean that directed at you. Just saying its a nonsensical Howieism that doesn't pass the smell test. 

9 minutes ago, QBhunter58 said:

I keep telling y'all, Hurts is the steve young play

??? He was on the Bucs? 

1 hour ago, PrinceKelby said:

Yes, but they can be targeted and developed at those ranges.

And yet.....

If they don't develop Hurts, people are getting canned all over the place.

That's a pretty silly place to put yourself in, IMO.

When that's the case, the pick was egregious.

Nah.  Egregious is selecting Steve Walsh the same year you have drafted Troy Aikman.   That's not what happened here.  This could be a mistake, this could send the wrong message, but this could work out... somehow.  The Aikman/Walsh thing couldn't and never did, but everyone forgot about it because of how good the rest turned out for the Cowboys, specifically the Walker trade that more than made up for it.

Assuming the front office was right and Hurts is the next Russell Wilson, what can we get for Wentz in 2 years? 

When has a 29 year old franchise QB ever been on the trade block?  This could be truly unprecedented.

I'd guess a high 1st, another 1st, a couple 2nds, and a handful more late picks.  Even that might be low.

Add that massive haul to the equally massive cap savings, and we'd be golden.

35 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I think what Howie meant by what he said was, they have their SB now they want to be known as a QB factory., going forward.  That obviously came from Doug.  Since Doug always wanted to be like Andy.  Andy was able to get something out of Detmer and Feeley for a few games and then was able to turn Feeley into a 2nd round pick. He might be thinking they can fleece Miami in a few years again, when Tua falls apart.  

Fleecing Miami is my favorite past-time.

AJ Feeley for high 2nd round pick - Fleecing
#13 for #8.. oh and they took away Byron Maxwell and Kiko Alonso - Fleecing
4th round pick for Jay Ajayi - Fleecing.

 

Can't we just trade with them ALL THE TIME?  When can we get Xavier Howard?  They did sign Byron Jones and drafted Noah I in the first round.   I'm ready for another fleecing of Miami.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Nah.  Egregious is selecting Steve Walsh the same year you have drafted Troy Aikman.   That's not what happened here.  This could be a mistake, this could send the wrong message, but this could work out... somehow.  The Aikman/Walsh thing couldn't and never did, but everyone forgot about it because of how good the rest turned out for the Cowboys, specifically the Walker trade that more than made up for it.

So you don't think heads will roll if Hurts doesn't pan out?

And that had they picked any other player they wouldn't be in that position?

That's the Crux of my point.

2 hours ago, PrinceKelby said:

Being on par with the Oregon St QB is "good"?

Curious to see what Baker and Murray's numbers were in that system as QBs flourish in it.

Those are percentage of passes to arguably the easiest target to hit in college football too.

Very similar.

5 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Assuming the front office was right and Hurts is the next Russell Wilson, what can we get for Wentz in 2 years? 

When has a 29 year old franchise QB ever been on the trade block?  This could be truly unprecedented.

I'd guess a high 1st, another 1st, a couple 2nds, and a handful more late picks.  Even that might be low.

Add that massive haul to the equally massive cap savings, and we'd be golden.

Hershel Walker... that's the starting price.

1 minute ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

??? He was on the Bucs? 

Walsh brought in Young for 2 key reasons.

1) Quality Insurance (b/c of Montana's back injuries). Walsh felt Young was a starter level talent, he just was in a bad situation in Tampa.

2) He knew both hyper competitive QBs would push each other to develop, iron sharpens iron mentality. The presence of Young held Montana accountable, while allowing Young to grow under Bill/Joe's tutelage.

The resulting  QB controversy almost backfired on his butt in 1988 when he was indecisive about who plays, but much of that is because Young despised the back up role (less of a problem with Jalen, for both talent and personality reasons. Overall, it turned out to be a genius move because it prevented Joe from stagnating , and developed an awesome replacement plan when the Niners were ready to move on.

21 minutes ago, Infam said:

Actually, it came from Lurie.

"The goal is to have two QBs in the top 10"

And no LB's in the top 50. Along with holes in the Secondary.

1 minute ago, PrinceKelby said:

So you don't think heads will roll if Hurts doesn't pan out?

And that had they picked any other player they wouldn't be in that position?

That's the Crux of my point.

Not saying that at all.  Any given pick up high and getting no return can cause heads to roll.  This pick isn't really like that at all. 

 

Jimmy drafted Troy Aikman, then used his supplemental pick (1st round) on Steve Walsh - trades away Walker to tank, and they earn the #1 overall pick... which they forfeited, due to the Walsh pick.  Fortunately, they had plenty of other picks due to the Vikings stupidity.  but, if not for that Walker trade... Jimmy Johnson likely goes down in infamy like Lou Holtz with the Jets.  That trade offered them so many chances to recover from that disastrous pick that it has been lost to history.

2 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Assuming the front office was right and Hurts is the next Russell Wilson, what can we get for Wentz in 2 years? 

When has a 29 year old franchise QB ever been on the trade block?  This could be truly unprecedented.

I'd guess a high 1st, another 1st, a couple 2nds, and a handful more late picks.  Even that might be low.

Add that massive haul to the equally massive cap savings, and we'd be golden.

Hurts is drafted to be the #2, not #1.  There is no realistic out of Wentz’s contract financially until 2023.

Eagles are banking on Hurts being good enough to keep their season on track for a couple of games if needed, maybe even win a playoff game if needed as an insurance against Wentz getting injured.  If Wentz stays totally healthy then Hurts’ value is as a weapon X/joker in the offense.

Capitalize Hurts’ value at the end of 2022 and recoup a high draft pick, hopefully to another QB needy team without a #1 prospect 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Hershel Walker... that's the starting price.

I like it.  Yes, prime Wentz should be worth even more than prime Herschel.  Now the only thing left is to develop Hurts into a superstar so we can make the deal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herschel_Walker_trade

2 minutes ago, QBhunter58 said:

Walsh brought in Young for 2 key reasons.

1) Quality Insurance (b/c of Montana's back injuries). Walsh felt Young was a starter level talent, he just was in a bad situation in Tampa.

2) He knew both hyper competitive QBs would push each other to develop, iron sharpens iron mentality. The presence of Young held Montana accountable, while allowing Young to grow under Bill/Joe's tutelage.

The resulting  QB controversy almost backfired on his butt in 1988 when he was indecisive about who plays, but much of that is because Young despised the back up role (less of a problem with Jalen, for both talent and personality reasons. Overall, it turned out to be a genius move because it prevented Joe from stagnating , and developed an awesome replacement plan when the Niners were ready to move on.

That's not really true.  Young was starting in TB, but was horrifically bad - no mechanics, and just tried to survive based on his athleticism. Young needed to be taught how to play the QB position in that NFL.  In today's NFL, he's likely not the same guy as he turned in to, as he'd have been allowed to freelance more and not learn the tools of the trade.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Not saying that at all.  Any given pick up high and getting no return can cause heads to roll.  This pick isn't really like that at all. 

 

Jimmy drafted Troy Aikman, then used his supplemental pick (1st round) on Steve Walsh - trades away Walker to tank, and they earn the #1 overall pick... which they forfeited, due to the Walsh pick.  Fortunately, they had plenty of other picks due to the Vikings stupidity.  but, if not for that Walker trade... Jimmy Johnson likely goes down in infamy like Lou Holtz with the Jets.  That trade offered them so many chances to recover from that disastrous pick that it has been lost to history.

Ok, you keep going back to that as the definition of egregious.

I would consider a luxury pick for a backup QB in the 2nd with sooooo many holes, and key guys ending their prime, to also be egregious.

1 minute ago, PrinceKelby said:

Ok, you keep going back to that as the definition of egregious.

I would consider a luxury pick for a backup QB in the 2nd with sooooo many holes, and key guys ending their prime, to also be egregious.

ok.  I think egregious is about two levels above that.  This is a bad pick.  Not really monumentally bad.  I could counter that one of the soooooo many holes to be filled was backup QB.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That's not really true.  Young was starting in TB, but was horrifically bad - no mechanics, and just tried to survive based on his athleticism. Young needed to be taught how to play the QB position in that NFL.  In today's NFL, he's likely not the same guy as he turned in to, as he'd have been allowed to freelance more and not learn the tools of the trade.

Young was a raw gunslinger, and he needed major refinement under Walsh, but Bill stated that he saw Young as a starter. He felt he could push Joe, while also develop in a better situation. I am not just  making this up, I can try and see if the documentary/interview is one youtube lol 

9 minutes ago, QBhunter58 said:

Walsh brought in Young for 2 key reasons.

1) Quality Insurance (b/c of Montana's back injuries). Walsh felt Young was a starter level talent, he just was in a bad situation in Tampa.

2) He knew both hyper competitive QBs would push each other to develop, iron sharpens iron mentality. The presence of Young held Montana accountable, while allowing Young to grow under Bill/Joe's tutelage.

The resulting  QB controversy almost backfired on his butt in 1988 when he was indecisive about who plays, but much of that is because Young despised the back up role (less of a problem with Jalen, for both talent and personality reasons. Overall, it turned out to be a genius move because it prevented Joe from stagnating , and developed an awesome replacement plan when the Niners were ready to move on.

Joe Montana was 32 or 33 and had several nagging injuries. Young already played 2? seasons and was deemed a bust. It’s kind of a similar situation but not really. Unless of course CW has had meetings with the front office about potential retirement if he kept getting hurt. 

4 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Joe Montana was 32 or 33 and had several nagging injuries. Young already played 2? seasons and was deemed a bust. It’s kind of a similar situation but not really. Unless of course CW has had meetings with the front office about potential retirement if he kept getting hurt. 

Young had played 4 professional seasons.  That move would be more like the Eagles signing Winston than drafting Hurts.  Had we signed Winston we wouldn't be having this discussion.