1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

 

You got Corleoned.

 

Buy yourself!

If one has to buy himself, to whom do you make payment?

18 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

If you are looking for a backup that can come in and win some playoff games because the starter gets hurt late in the season or in the playoff game itself you don't set your sights on a rookie who won't have any NFL experience whatsoever and especially not this year when the practice reps are going to be abnormally limited.  You go with the proven vet who's been around a while.

If you want someone as an insurance policy down the road who can build into an NFL QB and takeover should your franchise guy not work out or be sidelined with career type injuries then that works just fine.  The Eagles are close enough to have a shot this year and they should be setting the team up for a run now and not just 3/4 years down the road.

Agree but who would that be ???

 

1 minute ago, The guy in France said:

Agree but who would that be ???

 

Cam, Winston, Flacco are 3 options. 

19 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Cam, Winston, Flacco are 3 options. 

Not 3 very good options.

Nut who wants to be the center of attention.

Moron who never grew up.

Old man whose arm might fall off.

18 hours ago, hputenis said:

Why don't you answer the question Aristotle?  

It can't be answered.  Unless you just want, "who knows?"

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Not 3 very good options.

Nut who wants to be the center of attention.

Moron who never grew up.

Old man whose arm might fall off.

Also, why would Cam or Winston agree to come here?  Furthermore, for all those who are harping on "what does Hurts pick do to Wentz psyche or how does it reflect on Eagles view of Wentz?" imagine what it would be like if either of those two were signed...and Flacco is done, so yeah, let's pay him 6 million to ****s.

18 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

I think maybe. You also have to remember that his back issue can literally pop up at any time. 

Also, if I recalled correctly during the draft, there wasnt a single QB taken in round 2 or 3. Other than Hurts. Which is not really something that normally happens.

It might speak volumes about the way teams viewed this QB class. Probably means they really thought it was terrible. But then to take Hurts in a class like this must mean they really liked him. Bill Parcells used to tell his scouting department (say if they were looking for a QB), "I dont want to hear that this is a bad QB class. We just need 1. It doesnt matter if the class is bad. Your job is to find the one good one."

 

The eagles clearly thought they needed a good backup. They apparently havent been comfortable with Sudfeld in the #2 role. While they typically spend money on a good backup, they decided instead to use a draft pick and have him under control for a few years on a cheap rookie deal. Had they liked the QB class, maybe they take a guy later. But it seems they, like every other team didnt like this QB class. They identified their 1 guy and didnt want to risk missing. 

As long as they didn’t force it, could’ve even maybe traded back a little if it’s a guesstimate 

 

7 hours ago, ManuManu said:

I have so much anxiety watching this. 

Total Mack Hollins upgrade

18 hours ago, NCiggles said:

If the Eagles had won that game, I don't think they would have made the pick even if he was hurt. 

So overreaction??? I don’t think so

 

43 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

If one has to buy himself, to whom do you make payment?

Me.  Duh.

18 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I think what Howie meant by what he said was, they have their SB now they want to be known as a QB factory., going forward.  That obviously came from Doug.  Since Doug always wanted to be like Andy.  Andy was able to get something out of Detmer and Feeley for a few games and then was able to turn Feeley into a 2nd round pick. He might be thinking they can fleece Miami in a few years again, when Tua falls apart.  

Now you’re projecting but go ahead 

 

 

 

7 hours ago, ManuManu said:

 

Thx for sharing this. Wonder why he allowed so many balls into his body. Maybe it’s something he worked in the lead up to the combine; he did look natural there.

45 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Cam, Winston, Flacco are 3 options. 

Those are all really bad options as far as I'm concerned.  Winston actively loses games for his team, Newton is a dreadful teammate as well as shot physically, and Flacco has crashed and burned in DEN -- he sustained a season-ending neck injury, and was openly critical of his own coaches, which probably contributed to his release.

37 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Not 3 very good options.

Nut who wants to be the center of attention.

Moron who never grew up.

Old man whose arm might fall off.

Backups are never great options. Well until they are of course. 

8 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Those are all really bad options as far as I'm concerned.  Winston actively loses games for his team, Newton is a dreadful teammate as well as shot physically, and Flacco has crashed and burned in DEN -- he sustained a season-ending neck injury, and was openly critical of his own coaches, which probably contributed to his release.

They are all FAR superior to Hurts based on the criteria I gave. 

1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

Backups are never great options. Well until they are of course. 

There are good backup options.  These 3 are not good backup options, imo.

Just now, DrPhilly said:

They are all FAR superior to Hurts based on the criteria I gave. 

Nah -- I believe Hurts could put pads on, walk onto a field and be better than any of those guys today.

The reason more of these older QBs are still on the market is because of the success these younger guys are having straight out of the box.  Darnold has been good enough to make a difference for the Jets, Josh Allen makes the Bills better than anyone they've had in years, Mayfield had a solid first year and would be good if he wasn't a complete tool, Kyler Murray was OROY, and Lamar Jackson already has an MVP trophy.  Even the Broncos were a lot better off with Drew Lock under center than Joe Flacco last year.

The success rate for these guys walking straight in is way higher than it was even 10-15 years ago.

4 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

They are all FAR superior to Hurts based on the criteria I gave. 

Let's play it out:  First, and perhaps most importantly, it takes two to make a deal: Why would Cam or Winston (who made a very wise decision going to NO and we could not have come close to offering a similar opportunity) choose to come to Philadelphia?  Now, if if if Carson gets injured prior to the season and is deemed to be out for the season, then we become interesting to Cam if he has not already signed, and in turn he likely becomes interesting to the Eagles.  Plus, with Cam, injuries are an issue as well.  Flacco, I just don't get the attraction.  I understand local guy, but he just is done done done.  

16 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

There are good backup options.  These 3 are not good backup options, imo.

Which ones?

8 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Nah -- I believe Hurts could put pads on, walk onto a field and be better than any of those guys today.

The reason more of these older QBs are still on the market is because of the success these younger guys are having straight out of the box.  Darnold has been good enough to make a difference for the Jets, Josh Allen makes the Bills better than anyone they've had in years, Mayfield had a solid first year and would be good if he wasn't a complete tool, Kyler Murray was OROY, and Lamar Jackson already has an MVP trophy.  Even the Broncos were a lot better off with Drew Lock under center than Joe Flacco last year.

The success rate for these guys walking straight in is way higher than it was even 10-15 years ago.

I’m talking about walking on to the field week 16 and taking over without having played a single down all year and getting very few practice reps AND then leading the team on a SB run. 

2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

I’m talking about walking on to the field week 16 and taking over without having played a single down all year and getting very few practice reps AND then leading the team on a SB run. 

Hurts isn't going to hold a clipboard.  He will be on the field at least 4-6 snaps every Sunday as a weapon X/joker -- Pederson will have a package of plays designed for him.  Many people I've listened to figure it will be more like 15 plays per game, which I think would be excessive.  

He's going to be part of the offensive game plan every week -- he won't be cold.

Kempski with a pretty critical thread of Dillard today.

https://twitter.com/JimmyKempski/status/1256568641333624832

In looking at the clips, in at least three of them Lane had the same problem on the other side, so I think he may be being a bit nitpicky.

Certainly Dillard needs to get stronger, but he will get better with more playing time.

The bigger issue, to me, is that at least some people in the organization seem to be down on him. I don't know if it is a work ethic problem or what, but there have been too many rumors about this guy not to be somewhat concerned.

7 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

No brains. One crack in the pavement and his playing career could be over. 

No it wouldn't. He might break something, but that's it

50 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Which ones?

Cam Newton, Jameis Winston and Joe Flacco.  None, in my opinion, are good backup options.   A backup needs to be seen, and not heard... and frankly, barely seen.  He needs to be a support to the starter, he needs to be a voice in the QB room to talk to the starter about what he sees and what he thinks.   Let's consider these guys:

• Cam Newton - Cam is not a guy who isn't going to make any opportunity he has to be all about him.  He did it at Carolina, he did it at Auburn, he did it before Auburn.  He didn't like being a backup at Florida, so he went to a tiny school so that he could be big man on campus, and he chose Auburn, because he felt that he wouldn't have to compete to be the starter there.  He goes to press conferences specifically with the idea of wearing the most outlandish things he can.  He wants to be the story... unless the story is negative, then he goes 'next question' and storms out.  That's not backup material.
• Jameis Winston - From his days at FSU, right through his career in Tampa, he's shown a proclivity towards immature (extremely immature) behavior.  Then there's his interceptions.  Dude is a turnover machine.  Not what you want in a backup.  A backup needs to be very careful with the ball to maximize opportunities to score and most importantly, not hurt his team.  Granted, of the options, he might be the best one left if we needed to go and play 12 games this year... but if he did, I'd expect a 0.500 record, at best.  More likely 0.400 or worse.  But, because he's the most likely in a scenario like that, he's also the guy least likely to come here with a 27 year old QB, when he can go backup a 37 year old QB who has already declared this to be his final season.  Which is a shorter route to the starter position?  Also, which has a stronger media glare?  Yeah... Winston under the scrutiny of the Philadelphia media would likely be a disaster.
• Joe Flacco - I think he could be a good fit as a backup, if he weren't completely toasted.  We saw that last year with McCown.  Great effort from him, despite playing with a JV set of WRs (the same dudes Carson had to work with) and he put it all out there, even to the point of a devastating hamstring injury.  Flacco doesn't even have the athleticism that McCown has, plus he's got shoulder issues.  The weapons brought in this year are NASCAR for throws... they didn't bring in another back for the backup to just hand the ball off to.  So, the next man up better have an arm, and a strong one.  Flacco is not that guy.
   

Now, if we dissect Hurts a little... he's a good teammate, he's a good backup and he's been in 'pressure' situations before, as much as any of these guys coming into the NFL can.  He has a strong arm, and he has legs to turn a negative play into a positive, the same way McCown tried in the playoff game.  The difference being with a stout build, and at 21-22 years old, he can likely take the hits and not pull his hammy the same way McCown did.  He can be a part of the running game, even by design, and help the offense move the football, even as a rookie.  He's not a film study asset the way a 10+ year vet might be (Flacco), but he's about as good as Newton and Winston, both of whom are not exactly wizards when it comes to defensive schemes.  Newton always got by on sheer athleticism, but doesn't have that anymore, nor is his arm strength what it was.  Winston's INTs are a direct result of the lack of film study leading to blunders (repeated blunders).  He's got arm talent, but he hasn't put it all together yet, because he's still trying to win based on arm talent.  That's not the NFL.  That's why a guy like Joe Montana can be so prolific, because he made up for his arm talent deficiencies with his ability to read defenses, and anticipate.  (Having Jerry Rice doesn't hurt either). 

 

So... none of those 3 to me are good 'backup' options.  Hurts won't make waves.  The media will make waves, but he won't feed into that.

I wonder if the organization was so down on him why they’d still throw him out there at RT?