1 minute ago, obedt said:

I wonder if the organization was so down on him why they’d still throw him out there at RT?

Not that I buy it, but if I were to guess, I'd say how he handled being thrown in at RT might have been the turning point.  That was a bad look for him.  But, I don't buy that they are that down on him as an organization... they might be, but I've seen no evidence (real tangible evidence, not hearsay and rumors) to suggest that they are.

 

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

Hurts isn't going to hold a clipboard.  He will be on the field at least 4-6 snaps every Sunday as a weapon X/joker -- Pederson will have a package of plays designed for him.  Many people I've listened to figure it will be more like 15 plays per game, which I think would be excessive.  

He's going to be part of the offensive game plan every week -- he won't be cold.

15 plays a game of taking the ball out of Carson's hands?

No effing thank you.

If they even try such stupidity they deserve everything they get.

Hurts isn't going to be doing much of anything with this shortened off-season.

 

 

7 minutes ago, PrinceKelby said:

15 plays a game of taking the ball out of Carson's hands?

No effing thank you.

If they even try such stupidity they deserve everything they get.

Hurts isn't going to be doing much of anything with this shortened off-season.

 

 

^^^ This. Dont get cute Doug

Ha, anyone think BB is trying to tank to get Sunshine this next year?

 

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

Many people I've listened to figure it will be more like 15 plays per game, which I think would be excessive.  

I don't think he will have anywhere near 15 plays per game...that's just ludicrous! The Eagles ran 1104 offensive plays in 2019, that's 69 offensive plays per game...no one in their right mind can honestly think that they would take the ball out of Wentz's hands for almost a quarter of the season to an unproven gadget rookie QB...

The only way Hurts has any meaningful playing time is if Wentz gets a significant injury...15 plays per game with a healthy Wentz...not a chance! 

2 minutes ago, EagleTen said:

I don't think he will have anywhere near 15 plays per game...that's just ludicrous! The Eagles ran 1104 offensive plays in 2019, that's 69 offensive plays per game...no one in their right mind can honestly think that they would take the ball out of Wentz's hands for almost a quarter of the season to an unproven gadget rookie QB...

The only way Hurts has any meaningful playing time is if Wentz gets a significant injury...15 plays per game with a healthy Wentz...not a chance! 

It's going to be a trial and error approach. He will have a few snaps, and then they will evaluate. If it was good for the team, they will repeat it. And so on..

But to play that much this would have to work out better than anyone can imagine to be fair...

19 minutes ago, PrinceKelby said:

Ha, anyone think BB is trying to tank to get Sunshine this next year?

 

As in, intentionally lose games to improve their draft position. Absolutely zero chance Belichick would operate like that. Heck, I still think they're going to win their division.

Listening to BwF...

* Funny that Sheil also said he had anxiety watching that video of Hightower on his bike. 

* I enjoy Coach Flynn (college WR coach), but his discussion about Jefferson’s fit was dumbfounding. He said the team shouldn’t worry about Jefferson’s fit with JJAW or any other receiver, but that was never the issue. It was his fit with the two TEs. He’s a college football coach and Eagles fan and couldn’t figure that out? Yikes. 

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

There are good backup options.  These 3 are not good backup options, imo.

Unfortunately, due to the lack of starting QBs, they're starting for bad teams.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

 

I wonder what Foles' scouting report read.

Watching him in a conventional offense, Foles is pretty limited, elongated release, average arm strength though a decent deep ball, etc.

But he ran the RPO as a pass option (without a credible run option) to perfection.

Wonder if that's what Doug sees in Hurts, a more athletic version of Foles.

The Andre Dillard discussion is troubling.

- OT is a position where most rookies struggle, usually due to either technique or lack of strength (rookie OTs with bad feet don't see the field). 
- We went through this with Vaitai in 2016. Vaitai was terrible. Unplayable terrible. Lane Johnson getting suspended torpedoed the season. This isn't revisionist history either. Vaitai had an off-season and got better. He just got a 10M/Y contract and Vaitai isn't close to the prospect that Dillard is.
- Seumalo couldn't beat out Allen Barbre in 2017. He got benched in 2017 for Wiz. He's been an above-average starter in 2018 ever since. 
- Matt Pryor played 79 snaps in 2019 after not playing in 2018, nor looking great in pre-season.

Offensive line is a position in which you need reps. Dillard will be fine. He may not be great, but he'll be competent at LT.

20 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

As in, intentionally lose games to improve their draft position. Absolutely zero chance Belichick would operate like that. Heck, I still think they're going to win their division.

After losing Brady and going with Stidham?

I mean, I really like the guy, but I could totally see Bill saying "screw this shortened year anyway, I need a new Tom."

1 minute ago, RLC said:

The Andre Dillard discussion is troubling.

- OT is a position where most rookies struggle, usually due to either technique or lack of strength (rookie OTs with bad feet don't see the field). 
- We went through this with Vaitai in 2016. Vaitai was terrible. Unplayable terrible. Lane Johnson getting suspended torpedoed the season. This isn't revisionist history either. Vaitai had an off-season and got better. He just got a 10M/Y contract and Vaitai isn't close to the prospect that Dillard is.
- Seumalo couldn't beat out Allen Barbre in 2017. He got benched in 2017 for Wiz. He's been an above-average starter in 2018 ever since. 
- Matt Pryor played 79 snaps in 2019 after not playing in 2018, nor looking great in pre-season.

Offensive line is a position in which you need reps. Dillard will be fine. He may not be great, but he'll be competent at LT.

Well, we hope he will be competent.   I.don't disagree with your premise at all, but I am still in the hope stage rather than the certainty of enoufh improvement stage.

30 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

As in, intentionally lose games to improve their draft position. Absolutely zero chance Belichick would operate like that. Heck, I still think they're going to win their division.

Everyone is on the Bills. Don’t think Josh Allen is that good... and they’re the Bills. 

2 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

Hurts isn't going to hold a clipboard.  He will be on the field at least 4-6 snaps every Sunday as a weapon X/joker -- Pederson will have a package of plays designed for him.  Many people I've listened to figure it will be more like 15 plays per game, which I think would be excessive.  

He's going to be part of the offensive game plan every week -- he won't be cold.

Well that would help but still not the same thing as being the every down QB at all and in any case you don't want a rookie in the position that I presented.  My point holds.

10 minutes ago, PrinceKelby said:

After losing Brady and going with Stidham?

I mean, I really like the guy, but I could totally see Bill saying "screw this shortened year anyway, I need a new Tom."

I would bet a million dollars that he would never say or think that. 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Cam Newton, Jameis Winston and Joe Flacco.  None, in my opinion, are good backup options.   A backup needs to be seen, and not heard... and frankly, barely seen.  He needs to be a support to the starter, he needs to be a voice in the QB room to talk to the starter about what he sees and what he thinks.   Let's consider these guys:

• Cam Newton - Cam is not a guy who isn't going to make any opportunity he has to be all about him.  He did it at Carolina, he did it at Auburn, he did it before Auburn.  He didn't like being a backup at Florida, so he went to a tiny school so that he could be big man on campus, and he chose Auburn, because he felt that he wouldn't have to compete to be the starter there.  He goes to press conferences specifically with the idea of wearing the most outlandish things he can.  He wants to be the story... unless the story is negative, then he goes 'next question' and storms out.  That's not backup material.
• Jameis Winston - From his days at FSU, right through his career in Tampa, he's shown a proclivity towards immature (extremely immature) behavior.  Then there's his interceptions.  Dude is a turnover machine.  Not what you want in a backup.  A backup needs to be very careful with the ball to maximize opportunities to score and most importantly, not hurt his team.  Granted, of the options, he might be the best one left if we needed to go and play 12 games this year... but if he did, I'd expect a 0.500 record, at best.  More likely 0.400 or worse.  But, because he's the most likely in a scenario like that, he's also the guy least likely to come here with a 27 year old QB, when he can go backup a 37 year old QB who has already declared this to be his final season.  Which is a shorter route to the starter position?  Also, which has a stronger media glare?  Yeah... Winston under the scrutiny of the Philadelphia media would likely be a disaster.
• Joe Flacco - I think he could be a good fit as a backup, if he weren't completely toasted.  We saw that last year with McCown.  Great effort from him, despite playing with a JV set of WRs (the same dudes Carson had to work with) and he put it all out there, even to the point of a devastating hamstring injury.  Flacco doesn't even have the athleticism that McCown has, plus he's got shoulder issues.  The weapons brought in this year are NASCAR for throws... they didn't bring in another back for the backup to just hand the ball off to.  So, the next man up better have an arm, and a strong one.  Flacco is not that guy.
   

Now, if we dissect Hurts a little... he's a good teammate, he's a good backup and he's been in 'pressure' situations before, as much as any of these guys coming into the NFL can.  He has a strong arm, and he has legs to turn a negative play into a positive, the same way McCown tried in the playoff game.  The difference being with a stout build, and at 21-22 years old, he can likely take the hits and not pull his hammy the same way McCown did.  He can be a part of the running game, even by design, and help the offense move the football, even as a rookie.  He's not a film study asset the way a 10+ year vet might be (Flacco), but he's about as good as Newton and Winston, both of whom are not exactly wizards when it comes to defensive schemes.  Newton always got by on sheer athleticism, but doesn't have that anymore, nor is his arm strength what it was.  Winston's INTs are a direct result of the lack of film study leading to blunders (repeated blunders).  He's got arm talent, but he hasn't put it all together yet, because he's still trying to win based on arm talent.  That's not the NFL.  That's why a guy like Joe Montana can be so prolific, because he made up for his arm talent deficiencies with his ability to read defenses, and anticipate.  (Having Jerry Rice doesn't hurt either). 

 

So... none of those 3 to me are good 'backup' options.  Hurts won't make waves.  The media will make waves, but he won't feed into that.

First off you didn't understand my question.  You said there were other good options out there for backups.  I'm asking who?

In any case, this post surprises me.  To start, vets that get the boot from the starting role tend to tone down the bravado and they generally learn to accept more of a team type role.  They do that in varying amounts and I'd think Cam is still a bit of a risk but that's what all the evaluations are aiming to find out before you select one.  You figure out if the guy is going to do the job of the backup and not make waves.  Plenty of examples of where it worked out just fine.  You do your due diligence and get the right guy and he helps in the locker room and is there if and when you need him.

Hurts on the other hand has zero experience in the NFL, zero against the level of athleticism in the NFL, zero in working against a complex NFL D, zero against and NFL rush, zero with an NFL playbook, etc. etc.  He might (might) get some plays each game as the gadget 2nd QB on the field but that's it.  No way you're going to want him coming in to a 10-3 team in week 15 to become the starter to lead the team deep into the playoffs.  At that point you want Flacco (or whoever).

Kind of sheety to just dis what McCown did.  He tore his hammy early in that attempt.  Who knows what would have happened if he hadn't done that.

 

Anyway, I just quickly provided three examples.  My points stands and happy to look at a list of 5 or 6 (Andy Daulton?).  If you are looking for a guy who can come in at the end of the season and take the team thru to the Bowl (ala Foles, Hostettler) you don't want a rookie and especially not this year.  If you want someone who can develop in a few years and become the guy should Wentz deteriorate or have a career ending type injury then that's a different matter BUT that wasn't my scenario.

24 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I would bet a million dollars that he would never say or think that. 

100% agreed. This is Bill Belichick, and Belichicks massive ego. He’s never going to tank or say he needs a specific person a year out. If anything, he’s going to go all out this year just to prove a point that he can win with anybody and he doesn’t need Brady.

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

100% agreed. This is Bill Belichick, and Belichicks massive ego. He’s never going to tank or say he needs a specific person a year out. If anything, he’s going to go all out this year just to prove a point that he can win with anybody and he doesn’t need Brady.

Any coach who would purposely want to lose would be the sociopathic narcissist. 

3 hours ago, jsb235 said:

Kempski with a pretty critical thread of Dillard today.

https://twitter.com/JimmyKempski/status/1256568641333624832

In looking at the clips, in at least three of them Lane had the same problem on the other side, so I think he may be being a bit nitpicky.

Certainly Dillard needs to get stronger, but he will get better with more playing time.

The bigger issue, to me, is that at least some people in the organization seem to be down on him. I don't know if it is a work ethic problem or what, but there have been too many rumors about this guy not to be somewhat concerned.

Kempski overplays Dillard’s weaknesses.  Yes, he needs to work on his plant on bull rushes. He also needs to get stronger and improve his punch. Pretty common with rookie OTs. 

36 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Any coach who would purposely want to lose would be the sociopathic narcissist. 

Um, do you know nothing of BB?

Not picking any WR's or a QB is quite the "win now" move considering the team needs.

 

5 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

Cam, Winston, Flacco are 3 options. 

What makes the team better? 

Signing one of those guys on a short term deal at 6-8 mil per year or to have Hurts on a rookie contract for 4 years + 8 million in cap space (saved) to sign a free agent (in another position) each year for 4 years?

 

5 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

What makes the team better? 

Signing one of those guys on a short term deal at 6-8 mil per year or to have Hurts on a rookie contract for 4 years + 8 million in cap space (saved) to sign a free agent each year for 4 years?

 

Than Hurts?

I mean, you do know how insane it is to say a 2nd RD QB is better than guys who have been in the league for years, and played in SBs AND pro bowls, before that player has even taken a snap, right?

The last 2 years we've paid the backup $2mil per season.

GMFB

Just now, PrinceKelby said:

Than Hurts?

I mean, you do know how insane it is to say a 2nd RD QB is better than guys who have been in the league for years, and played in SBs, before that player has even taken a snap, right?

Didn't say that.  But knowing that Pederson is a QB whisperer and that he really liked Hurts coming out, I'd wager that Hurts will become a very capable backup within a year or two.