2 hours ago, Iggles25 said:

If there is an NFL season, and I mean that is a big if, there won't be any fans present in the stadiums.

Look at what NASCAR is unveiling with their upcoming races. Races with no spectators. That is the template going forward.

Really sucks. "Home games” will just be non-travel benefits

5 hours ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Your plan seems to assume that the virus can only spread vertically and not horizontally. Filling only odd or even rows would be pointless if you're going to have people sitting next to each other. Attempting to enforce a restriction on side-by-side seating would seem to me to be a virtually impossible-to-achieve endeavor.

Going back to your earlier post regarding peeps walking about during Live Action, in my section our group of regulars actively enforce the "Stay Down during the play" rule, helpfully aided by the Ushers. Newbs and Interlopers quickly learn to Stay Put til the ball is blown dead. We've even got them kneeling on the stairs so folks can see past em. Heckling, mocking, belittling and/or Death Threats are all effective tactics. Haven't had to enforce that last one yet tho....

6 hours ago, Iggles25 said:

If there is an NFL season, and I mean that is a big if, there won't be any fans present in the stadiums.

Look at what NASCAR is unveiling with their upcoming races. Races with no spectators. That is the template going forward.

It’s May 3rd.  It’s hard to say anything definitively right now.  Lot more information needed, including how much the virus has already proliferated.  When you see very significant representative samples in major metro areas coming back with north of 25% prior exposure, this may have cycle through well before anyone knew and in a much bigger way.  Which is great news, not just for mortality rates but most importantly for infection rate and for the likelihood of herd immunity.

I know a several people personally that had the virus, including a couple of older people that were hospitalized.  In both cases the hydroxichloriquine turned things around for them al,ost right away.  Now you hear about this other drug trial working as well (albeit a much more expensive treatment, and not nearly the scale of the HCQ studies done by Drs in NYC and France).  Bottom line, there are some therapeutics that are viable, as long as they are administered early.  In NJ, almost half of the deaths came from long term care facilities.  Very sad, as the most vulnerable were not adequately protected.  We need to understand what happened to better handle future situations.

Naval ship Comfort was sent back.  The Javits center in NY, converted into a 2500 bed hospital, was barely used.  McCormick place I’m Chicago, initially going to be 3000 beds, was barely used.  We flattened the curve quite successfully.  Some places never had much activity, and the results for those states has been devastating.  Even in the health care arena, where the patients never came, most other scheduled care was cancelled, and layoffs were the result.

Many states are or have already been opening up with a phased approach.  Events right now will be without spectators, but that won’t last.  It’s most certainly not the "template” going forward.  I’ve seen a very significant shift in approach and attitudes toward the mitigation measure over the last week.  I expect that will continue and accelerate.  It’s going to be tough for the governors that are fighting against reopening anything to continue that approach.

I believe by the fall this will be in the rear view mirror, and the NFL season will happen as scheduled, and WITH fans in the stands.

 

Golf Courses and State Parks in NJ opened back up Saturday at Sunrise.

Beaches and Boardwalk in my Shore town still closed tho...

So there's that...

6 hours ago, Iggles25 said:

If there is an NFL season, and I mean that is a big if, there won't be any fans present in the stadiums.

Look at what NASCAR is unveiling with their upcoming races. Races with no spectators. That is the template going forward.

I think there will be fans. Preseason won’t have them and they may try and start the season with no fans. But ultimately I can’t see them having a 16 game season with no fans. 

16 minutes ago, John_C said:

It’s May 3rd.  It’s hard to say anything definitively right now.  Lot more information needed, including how much the virus has already proliferated.  When you see very significant representative samples in major metro areas coming back with north of 25% prior exposure, this may have cycle through well before anyone knew and in a much bigger way.  Which is great news, not just for mortality rates but most importantly for infection rate and for the likelihood of herd immunity.

I am very curious to see what happens along the East Coast over the next 4-5 months.   Many state budgets (New Jersey, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, etc) are funded significantly from summer tourist / beach season.   I have read reports showing ranges between 35%-45% of those annual budgets are based on that related income.

In that context, it's interesting that the most important economic "spectator" activity to the East Coast, and maybe one of the most important in the country right now, is whether or not beaches and beach communities along the East Coast are open and operating at some level approaching semi-normal for summer.    This is similarly true on the West Coast, but they are not as dependent on summer tourist season as the East Coast states are.

I am not saying whether they should or should not.   I'm merely acknowledging the dilemma many state governments will be facing and debating intensely over the next 3-4 weeks.

8 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

maybe you missed the part where its every other seat too? Thatd also be easy to see for any ushers or security enforcing it. 

That seems far from easy. Maybe I could see a scenario where they let say 1,000 fans in but there’s no point in letting in say 25,000. Might as well let everyone in. 

This seems to confirm the other reports that the Vikings would have taken Reagor if we took Jefferson...

20 minutes ago, Rhinoddd50 said:

I am very curious to see what happens along the East Coast over the next 4-5 months.   Many state budgets (New Jersey, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, etc) are funded significantly from summer tourist / beach season.   I have read reports showing ranges between 35%-45% of those annual budgets are based on that related income.

In that context, it's interesting that the most important economic "spectator" activity to the East Coast, and maybe one of the most important in the country right now, is whether or not beaches and beach communities along the East Coast are open and operating at some level approaching semi-normal for summer.    This is similarly true on the West Coast, but they are not as dependent on summer tourist season as the East Coast states are.

I am not saying whether they should or should not.   I'm merely acknowledging the dilemma many state governments will be facing and debating intensely over the next 3-4 weeks.

Look for the Fed to step in and monetize state and muni deficits. I think it’s coming. Pension obligations are also on the table if/when the stock market crashes and retirement funds can’t be juiced by traditional QE inflating equities.

26 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

That seems far from easy. Maybe I could see a scenario where they let say 1,000 fans in but there’s no point in letting in say 25,000. Might as well let everyone in. 

It could be easier if you consider the possibility of re-deploying certain workers from areas with lesser or no need.

On a game day such as the one we are discussing with less than 50% capacity in the stadium, you can potentially have less parking lot attendants with a few entrances or exits to the lots closed. You can also close a few entrances to the stadium and use all of those ticket and security people inside the stadium as well. You can have less staff in the pro shop. You can potentially have a bunch of the concession areas closed.

All of those extra workers can be stationed to help support the ushers throughout the stadium. Maybe you hire some extra part time temp security positions as well to help enforce. Its something thatd be very easy to see as you can through. When theres not an empty seat, or empty row its easy to spot. 

20 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

It could be easier if you consider the possibility of re-deploying certain workers from areas with lesser or no need.

On a game day such as the one we are discussing with less than 50% capacity in the stadium, you can potentially have less parking lot attendants with a few entrances or exits to the lots closed. You can also close a few entrances to the stadium and use all of those ticket and security people inside the stadium as well. You can have less staff in the pro shop. You can potentially have a bunch of the concession areas closed.

All of those extra workers can be stationed to help support the ushers throughout the stadium. Maybe you hire some extra part time temp security positions as well to help enforce. Its something thatd be very easy to see as you can through. When theres not an empty seat, or empty row its easy to spot. 

I have a tough time seeing all that as a logical solution. You’re going to ask concession workers to be ushers and security? Don’t know about that and then you’re also putting more people closer together. I just don’t think having 50% capacity makes a difference and may ultimately result in more issues/lawsuits. 
 

Also you bringing up concessions is a good point. I’d bet all concessions, pro shops, and vendors are shut down to prevent loitering and transferring germs. Would also bet that there’s no tailgating. 

1 minute ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I have a tough time seeing all that as a logical solution. You’re going to ask concession workers to be ushers and security? Don’t know about that and then you’re also putting more people closer together. I just don’t think having 50% capacity makes a difference and may ultimately result in more issues/lawsuits. 
 

Also you bringing up concessions is a good point. I’d bet all concessions, pro shops, and vendors are shut down to prevent loitering and transferring germs. Would also bet that there’s no tailgating. 

Its about 25% capacity. Not 50. People wouldnt be close together. 

They dont need to be security. Theyd just need to scan the sections and can tell actual security. 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Its about 25% capacity. Not 50. People wouldnt be close together. 

They dont need to be security. Theyd just need to scan the sections and can tell actual security. 

So that’s still 12-15k. I wouldn’t be shocked if they went this route but it doesn’t make sense to me. 

 

13 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Have you actually read through Gov. Wolf's reopen plan?  So many questions come up once you read it.  This isn't intended to be political, I think it's important for ALL PA residents to read through.  So much doesn't make sense.  I'm NOT taking away from the severity of the virus or all the of hard work from the frontline first responders (several on here, sincerely we all thank you).  However there are far too many items that don't line up.  County coroners questioning deaths, rise in opioid related deaths, suicide, domestic abuse..the list goes on.

https://www.governor.pa.gov/plan-for-pennsylvania/?fbclid=IwAR2KxYzBumgrNqYHrF-TjUomjAnZevzAzthQ4wOLAwKqfaKrlgJXTkHskfI

 

This is from Phase 3...green light. 

Fair, family-sustaining wages for all Pennsylvanians.

Increase the minimum wage to $12 with a path to $15.  (Never let a good crisis go to waste is the saying.  So you want restaurants and local businesses to open up with new social distancing rules reducing the amount of paying customers, yet you want the business owners who just sacrificed 2 months of revenue to pay more for less.  OK, makes a lot of sense there Tom.)

Enactment of better worker protection standards.

Employees should not be discharged, penalized, or discriminated against if they isolate or quarantine related to COVID-19. (Why not just do that now?  If you choose to isolate so be it.  You won't be fired, you won't be fined or doct any pay, it's just your decision based on what makes you feel safe.  For the rest who feel safe and want to go to work, want to go to a restaurant, a ball game, the beach, church or any other event let them.)  

Employers must maintain safe and healthy environments.

Protections should also exist for employees who report workplace violations.

Actually, that is from the Recovery section.  It is a little political that you stressed those two items instead of supports in the area of Small Business and Agricultural Business strengthening, in attracting innovative businesses and a younger workforce, in training and providing support teleeducation and training in that area including strengthening of broadband accessibility around the state, donation and refurbishing of laptops and hot spots.  He also includes plans that will strengthen the Commonwealth’s preparedness for future situations like this.  That coupled with some of the proposals I have seen from my local representatives, like the conversations with other state governors including Ohio, WV and MD (anyone following Hogan in MD will see his fingerprints all over this plan).

Anyone watching the State Secretarymof Health’s daily broadcasts at noon of Wolf’s  presentations knows that isolation refers to at risk individuals.  That is elderly, immune challenged and the like.  It is not "feel safe”. Quarantine and isolation also refers to contact tracing, a key component to reopening, where they contact people with contact to a confirmed case.  Feeling safe for yourself does not consider risk to others just your own desires.

As far as a living wage is concerned, raising the minimum wage in this Commonwealth is not a horrible idea as so many of the people are living paycheck to paycheck and had no cushion to fall back on when this happened.  So as a long term Recovery aspiration, is that a bad idea?

12 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Anyone have heating/ac system like this?

Im curious how you like it, and if you remember how much it cost to buy and have installed. Thinking about doing this. 

Spoke to one company that said something like $12,000. Hard to believe when you can buy this kit for like $3,100.

I installed a system from Diakin in my house. I highly recommend split systems. My wife was getting allergic reactions from the dust in our forced air system. No more as the split systems are ductless. Moreover, the system is much quieter. Electric heat is more expensive to run than was our gas fired system. Installation wasn't too onerous - it did require some electrical work and some brazing of line sets. I think my system cost in the neighborhood of $5K (40,000 BTU).

12 hours ago, bpac55 said:

The goal of the initial lockdown was to "flatten the curve" make sure the hospitals weren't overrun and equipment not available.  Where you are with 70" being used there are other counties with zero being used.  I would hope that counties and hospitals IF we get to that scenario will get equipment in the right hands.

This isn't 1918 in terms of technology, medication available (different things are working for different patients and whatnot.)  

In a way, it is a bit like 1918.  Because of the nature of the attack on the lungs, there are limited drugs to battle either. Despite the vaccine for the flu, between 0k and 60k die from it each year in the US.   That we have passed that for Covid 19 demonstrates the impact of the vaccine for the flu and the lack with Covid.  Yes, we have ventilators not available in 1918.  But that goes to flattening the curve.

i suspect that I am older than you.  My dad was borne with a midwife. My mother and her brother were the first born in a hospital, two counties away from where they lived in the Midwest.   But there was a doctor in town when they were growing up in the Depression.  Today, the nearest doctor is in the city where the hospital where my mom was borne was located.  Of the three regional hospitals in the cities nearest my folks county, two have closed.   So in some places in this country, medicine isn’t a lot better than 1918 and a lot less assessable. 

Let’s all hope that Remsdivir works. 

Quez is third. 

12 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Good move for Dallas. Dalton is a damn good backup. 

What does that say about Cooper Rush and Thorson?   Rush was an RFA this season so he is following the Sudfeld path on a one year extension. Cowpads usually only carry three, with the third on the PS.   Not good news for one of the two of Rush and Thorson.  With the new eligibility rules for the two new PS positions and the protection, I am guessing Rush goes to the PS. Meanwhile, Dak on a franchise tag ala Cousins, Dalton a one year rental and Rush no guarantee to make it to PS with 53 cut down. 

Remaining Free Agents

EDGE

Jadeveon Clowney, Everson Griffen, Cameron Wake, Jabaal Sheard, Ezekiel Ansah,  Markus Golden, Vinny Curry, Clay Matthews, Terrell Suggs, Michael Bennett, Anthony Chickillo, Dion Jordan, Pernell McPhee

CB

Darqueze Dennard, Logan Ryan, Price Amukamara, Eli Apple, Dre Kirkpatrick, Tramon Williams, Tramaine Brock, Javien Elliott, Trumaine Johnson, Brandon Carr, Aqib Talib, Morris Clayborn, BW Webb, Ross Cockrell, Aaron Colvin

Safety

Eric Reid, Reshad Jones, Tony Jefferson, Tavon Wilson, Clayton Geathers, Morgan Burnett, Tedric Thompson, Jahleel Addae, Antoine Bethea, Curtis Riley, Montae Nicholson

DT

Damon Harrison, Mike Daniels, Marcell Dareus, Antwuan Woods, Adam Gotsis, Xavier Williams, Domata Peko, Corey Liuget, Damion Square, Sylvester Williams, Kyle Love, Earl Mitchell

Linebacker

Nigel Bradham, Darron Lee, Mychal Kendricks, Alec Ogletree, Wesley Woodyard, Mark Barron, Vontaze Burfict

RB

Devonta Freeman, Carlos Hyde, Lamar Miller, Lesean McCoy, Ty Montgomery, Isaiah Crowell, Theo RIddick, Devontae Booker, Spencer Ware, Frank Gore

WR

Taylor Gabriel, Demaryius Thomas, Paul Richardson, Jermaine Kearse, Tavon Austin, Jarius Wright, Jaron Brown, Dontrelle Inman, Chris Hogan

TE

Delanie Walker, Jordan Reed, Luke Stocker, Charles Clay, Ed Dickson, 

OT

Kelvin Beachum, Demar Dotson, Jason Peters, Cordy Glenn, Jared Veldheer, Jordan Mills, Marshall Newhouse, Donald Penn

G/C

Josh Kline, Mike Person, Justin Britt, Ronald Leary, James Hurst, Daniel Kilgore

 

Probably more than a few I'm missing but had to cut it off somewhere.  Lots of talent still there in the secondary and along the DL.

2 hours ago, TEW said:

Look for the Fed to step in and monetize state and muni deficits. I think it’s coming. Pension obligations are also on the table if/when the stock market crashes and retirement funds can’t be juiced by traditional QE inflating equities.

This is what the blue state governors are banking on and also why they will do everything in their power to extend the lockdown and overstate the direct causal damage to the greatest extent possible.  They are going to extort the federal government as much as they can for their prior issues.

The financial position of these states and particularly the unfunded pension liabilities of course have/had exactly nothing to do with this virus.  Moving forward, what additional taxes will be deferred or uncollected?  That’s the big question.  If you pass ordinances to allow tax deferments, you have to go to the market for that money anyway because your obligations don’t go away.  There should be no issue on providing relief for additional expenses incurred during this period, but I’m not sure what other money is justified.

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

Let’s all hope that Remsdivir works. 

The studies done in France and in NYC had tremendous results using the Hydroxychloroquine and Zpack, plus I know people personally for which this turned them around right away.  Seen several others on TV with the same story.  Bogus study was done in DC area where they gave this treatment to all of the people who were already dying, and then released the study amidst a coordinated media blitz that this treatment leads to death.  You have to wonder.

then they do a Remsduvir trial and change the criteria mid stream, and now claim it reduces the time for recovery.  I’m very skeptical of this one for many reasons.

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/remdesivir-probably-worthless-trauma-surgeon-exposes-drug-companys-shenanigans

 

4 minutes ago, John_C said:

This is what the blue state governors are banking on and also why they will do everything in their power to extend the lockdown and overstate the direct causal damage to the greatest extent possible.  They are going to extort the federal government as much as they can for their prior issues.

The financial position of these states and particularly the unfunded pension liabilities of course have/had exactly nothing to do with this virus.  Moving forward, what additional taxes will be deferred or uncollected?  That’s the big question.  If you pass ordinances to allow tax deferments, you have to go to the market for that money anyway because your obligations don’t go away.  There should be no issue on providing relief for additional expenses incurred during this period, but I’m not sure what other money is justified.

I really don’t think this is a blue state versus red state issue.  The Feds, both parties, have no problem with unbalanced budgets and phony money. I worry that in my lifetime we are going to see hyperinflation as a result.  Local communities and states must balance their budgets.  McConnell suggesting bankruptcies is an idiot.  Literally kills bonds.  Now we can decide if we want to forego what local governments provide or not.  Safe water, sewer flows, transportation, recreational lands, agricultural help, food, medical help, assisted living help, schools, unemployment, banking and insurance, courts,  pretty much everything that touches you every day.  Well those budgets need to be balanced.  Think NY, MD, CA, WA, VA don’t impact your lives, look at the ports.  

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

Quez is third. 

I'm interested to see what Hightower and Watkins bring to the table.  Very similar players in my mind.  I would love to see the Eagles let the best WR play rather than assigned positions.  If Reagor outplays JJAW and can handle the X.  Let him.

Also interested to see who comes out on top for the Eagles with the slot corner.  Is NBC the automatic there?  Does LeBlanc put up a fight?  Going to need them to dominate to stop teams like the Cowboys.  Cole Beasley was a thorn in our side for years, nervous to see what CeeDee will do with Dallas and Jefferson with the Vikings.  

5 minutes ago, John_C said:

The studies done in France and in NYC had tremendous results using the Hydroxychloroquine and Zpack, plus I know people personally for which this turned them around right away.  Seen several others on TV with the same story.  Bogus study was done in DC area where they gave this treatment to all of the people who were already dying, and then released the study amidst a coordinated media blitz that this treatment leads to death.  You have to wonder.

then they do a Remsduvir trial and change the criteria mid stream, and now claim it reduces the time for recovery.  I’m very skeptical of this one for many reasons.

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/remdesivir-probably-worthless-trauma-surgeon-exposes-drug-companys-shenanigans

 

The heart risk for hydroxycloroquine makes it a poor offer to a lot of at risk patients.   I am not relying on website crap.  Try reading NIH abstracts instead.