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55 minutes ago, PrinceKelby said:

They haven't had very good or dynamic TE play there in years and years.

He'll be more like Ertz there than a typical WR role.

Meh. I'll disagree with you there.  He's strictly a WR from what I've read.  

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32 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Yes i would object to a max wage as well. Their should neither. Skills, supply and demand should regulate price

the point of the company is not a social one. Its is a business one and all decisions derive from what is in the best short and/or long term viability of the company.

low skill workers are more a liability than an asset. That changes as you go up the ladder, at least theoretically. Sadly we have far too many poor leaders both public and private. I attribute this mostly to the weakness of the population as they cant deal with truth and will rather support people who tell them comforting lies

Behavioral says they wont however. You cant rely on them to make smart decisions. Thats why they are stuck where they are

Harsh. I was an executive.  I was closer to the top than the bottom. It was a European based corporation so our executive pay and benefits was not out of this world crazy like the US.  There was some social viewpoints   We very much were trying to work towards a diverse workforce   We certainly came to realize the benefit of involving the workforce in changes in the way we did things.  Climate change mattered to us.  We had an executive in that role   Now it mattered to us because not only the impact on people but the impact on our business.  

We never viewed our lower skill workers as a liability.  Most were in the first decade of work.  The lower tiers within the company did a lot of our work and from it we raised the achievers to higher positions.   Now I will be honest, internationally the lowest skilled work was outsourced. I fear that for competitive reasons, we offshored that work for cost factors.   When I left, we were on shoring that work but mostly because bots were doing most of the labor part of the function, not people. 
 

1 hour ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

For those in the "Hurts can help us in the red zone" camp...

 

Thankfully Agholor caught that one.

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25 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Meh. I'll disagree with you there.  He's strictly a WR from what I've read.  

We shall see.

They'll use him all over the place like Ertz is all.

Ertz isn't asked to block much any more.

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

I don’t like Watkins over Hightower.  Hightower has more moves and quickness than Watkins and a bit more refined route tree.  

He better be quicker he only weighs 175 lbs.

Id be ok if they both made the roster. I dont think goodwin is worth it, hes older and always hurt.

2 hours ago, PrinceKelby said:

Hightower is an inch taller and almost 10 pounds heavier. Also played against better competition.

Lol

I like Quez and Ward, but Hightower is a way better deep threat than both.

Quez 40 time does not show up on tape as much as Hightower does.

Hightower will be more what he hoped Agholor would be.

Hightower at combine weighed 172 lbs at 6'1" with 38.5 vert

Watkins at combine at combine weighed 190 at 6'1" with 36.5 vert

So not sure what youre talking about???

Watkins looks plenty fast on tape to me as does hightower.

Difference is watkins isnt a string bean 

32 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

For sure BUT we have the distractions already.  The point, which some posters don't seem to get, is that a high draft pick like Hurts brings immediate media questioning etc. while signing a free agent no longer starter vet does not (exception this year might be Cam).

Winston and Dalton were both starters, last year.  Winston threw for more yards and TDs than Brees did last year.   Why a late second round pick would have immediate questions as opposed to them is a function of the media not necessarily sense.   Wentz threw for over 4,000 yards last year with no receiver over 500 yards. Unlike Dak, he won the division. Unlike Dak, he had a winning record.  Unlike Dak, his team chose to extend him early in the process with a salary in the top five of QBs.  Unlike Hurts, Dalton has played in the NFL.  Foles was more of a distraction (for the media) than Hurts should be. I would say Hurts is more a reaction to the abysmal play of Thorson last summer and Sudfeld’s short term status than it should be to having any impact on Wentz.  If anything it elevates Wentz to the senior voice in the QB room and shows what confidence they have in him taking that role 

Wow, an argument based on social darwinism. Back to the 1920's.

41 minutes ago, TEW said:

If food service and retail stores are on the brink now, imagine what raising the minimum wage would do to a Starbucks or Burger King or Pottery Barn.

Fixed costs are the problem right now for businesses that are on the edge. And we’re talking about hiking them. :facepalm:

Starbucks I believe already pays more.  If Pottery Barn, with their prices don’t, well shame on them. As to Burger King, I have no issue with a lower rate for high school teens with limited hours.  Other retailers are on the way out with the traditional model.  Pottery Barn already has a good computer based model.  We are drifting back to mail order days for retail.  Target, Kohl’s and Walmart are modeling the way. If Penney’s and Sears went back to their roots, they might survive too but they have to realize the days of charged shipping over a certain threshold or primarily in store pickup has gone by the wayside.  I believe Walmart and Target already pay more than $15 an hour.  I think my grocery store does too 

14 minutes ago, Utebird said:

He better be quicker he only weighs 175 lbs.

Id be ok if they both made the roster. I dont think goodwin is worth it, hes older and always hurt.

He weighed 189 at the combine. He’ll probably drop some of that weight by the time the season starts, but I’d expect him to play most of his career in the 185 range.

2 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Starbucks I believe already pays more.  If Pottery Barn, with their prices don’t, well shame on them. As to Burger King, I have no issue with a lower rate for high school teens with limited hours.  Other retailers are on the way out with the traditional model.  Pottery Barn already has a good computer based model.  We are drifting back to mail order days for retail.  Target, Kohl’s and Walmart are modeling the way. If Penney’s and Sears went back to their roots, they might survive too but they have to realize the days of charged shipping over a certain threshold or primarily in store pickup has gone by the wayside.  I believe Walmart and Target already pay more than $15 an hour.  I think my grocery store does too 

Walmart is no where near $15 unless there is a city/state minimum wage requiring it. It was big news when they raised their starting pay to $12 an hour at select locations. Same for most of the stores you mentioned.

24 minutes ago, Utebird said:

He better be quicker he only weighs 175 lbs.

Id be ok if they both made the roster. I dont think goodwin is worth it, hes older and always hurt.

He was 189 at the Comine.  Ward weighs 185. I am not a Goodwin fan either. Same reasons. 

28 minutes ago, TEW said:

He weighed 189 at the combine. He’ll probably drop some of that weight by the time the season starts, but I’d expect him to play most of his career in the 185 range.

He weighed 172 at the combine.

Dimensions

Height: 74 inches
Weight: 172 pounds
BMI: 22.62
Arm Length: 31.50 inches
Hand Size: 9.75 inches
Front Shoulder: (N/A) inches
Back Shoulder: (N/A) inches
5 minutes ago, TEW said:

Walmart is no where near $15 unless there is a city/state minimum wage requiring it. It was big news when they raised their starting pay to $12 an hour at select locations. Same for most of the stores you mentioned.

Walmart averages $14.26 for full time workers and $13.13 for all hourly employees. Information easily obtained as a stockholder.  Starbucks is over $11 an hour plus benefits like health insurance, 401k etc. before tips.  Do you not tip your barista? My full time grocery store workers are making well above $12 an hour and most over $15.  There are lots of high school kids  and some seniors working part time making less, which drags the average hourly wage down. I don’t remember the last time I was at a fast food restaurant (I don’t frequent a lot) and not served by a high school kid unless it was a manager. 

22 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

He was 189 at the Comine.  Ward weighs 185. I am not a Goodwin fan either. Same reasons. 

Dimensions

Height: 74 inches
Weight: 172 pounds
BMI: 22.62
Arm Length: 31.50 inches
Hand Size: 9.75 inches
Front Shoulder: (N/A) inches
Back Shoulder: (N/A) inches
3 minutes ago, Utebird said:

He weighed 172 at the combine.

Dimensions

Height: 74 inches
Weight: 172 pounds
BMI: 22.62
Arm Length: 31.50 inches
Hand Size: 9.75 inches
Front Shoulder: (N/A) inches
Back Shoulder: (N/A) inches

According to the NFL, 189 

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/john-hightower?id=32194849-4777-2208-dbaa-36c5bd7d164f

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

Walmart averages $14.26 for full time workers and $13.13 for all hourly employees. Information easily obtained as a stockholder.  Starbucks is over $11 an hour plus benefits like health insurance, 401k etc. before tips.  Do you not tip your barista? My full time grocery store workers are making well above $12 an hour and most over $15.  There are lots of high school kids  and some seniors working part time making less, which drags the average hourly wage down. I don’t remember the last time I was at a fast food restaurant (I don’t frequent a lot) and not served by a high school kid unless it was a manager. 

I don’t drink coffee, so I never go to Starbucks.

Yes, the average wage is $14 for FT employees, but that’s not what they’re paying the vast majority of their work force. Most start at $11 or $12, and because of the turnover they never make it to $15.

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John Hightower NFL Combine Stats

Wide Receiver [] Boise State [] Mountain West Conference [] Division I-FBS

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Player Info

First Name: John
Last Name: Hightower
Nickname:  
Position: Wide Receiver
College: Boise State
Draft Class: 2020
Draft Age: N/A

Player Dimensions

Height: 74 inches
Weight: 172 pounds
BMI: 22.62
Arm Length: 31.50 inches
Hand Size: 9.75 inches
Front Shoulder: (N/A) inches
Back Shoulder: (N/A) inches

NFL Combine Measurables

40 Yard Dash: 4.43 seconds
40 Yard (MPH): 18.47 (MPH)
20 Yard Split: 2.67 seconds
10 Yard Split: 1.54 seconds
Bench Press: (N/A) reps (225 lb)
Wonderlic: (N/A) (0-50)
QB Ball Velocity: (N/A) (MPH)
Vertical Leap: 38.5 inches
Broad Jump: (N/A) inches
20 Yd Shuttle: 4.21 seconds
Three Cone: 7.07 seconds
Shuttle Split: (N/A) seconds
60 Yd Shuttle: (N/A) seconds
Four Square: (N/A) seconds

Pro Day Measurables - 4/2/2020

40 Yard Dash: (N/A) seconds
40 Yard (MPH): (N/A) (MPH)
20 Yard Split: (N/A) seconds
10 Yard Split: (N/A) seconds
Bench Press: (N/A) reps (225 lb)
Hand Size: 9.75 inches
Arm Length: 31.5 inches
Vertical Leap: (N/A) inches
Broad Jump: (N/A) inches
20 Yd Shuttle: (N/A) seconds
Three Cone: 7.07 seconds
Height: 73.5 inches
Weight: 189 lbs
Wingspan: 75.130 inches

Combine Grade (beta)

D

Overall Rating:

58

Max 100

Size Rating: 33/100
Speed Score: 83/100
Agility Score: 34/100
Quickness Score: 65/100
Strength Score: (N/A)/100

Wide Receiver Success Factors

Yes Better than a 4.60 Forty Yard Dash Time
[N/A] Better than a 120 inch Broad Jump
No Better than or equal to a 7.00 Three Cone Drill Time
Yes Taller than five feet nine inches

Percentiles by Size and Position

Event Event Score % By WR % By Size
Height 74" 72.3 --
Weight 172 lbs 6.5 --
Hand Size 9.75" 76.2 100
Arm Length 31.50" 40.9 66.7
40 Yd 4.43 sec 87.3 80
20 Yd 2.67 sec 42.6 20
10 Yd 1.54 sec 88.6 80
Bench (N/A) reps -- --
Vertical 38.5" 88.1 80
Broad Jump (N/A)" 68 80
Shuttle 4.21 sec 54.4 40
3 Cone 7.07 sec 40.5 0
60yd Shuttle (N/A) sec -- --
 

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the 189 lbs was his pro day weight in which he didnt run. For all we know he could of run a 4.6 at that weight.

Where as watkins at combine was 190 and ran 4.35

1 hour ago, DrPhilly said:

Yeah me too.  One part of winning is to manage the players egos and mental disposition.

Yeah. And like some hot takes suggest, those egos are super fragile and cannot handle anything. Because that is the true mental disposition of leaders!

Hightower was 189 at the combine. I remember specifically talking about how his 40 time was impressive with the weight gain. 

I'm not worried about a light/finesse WR, so long as he can get tackled without breaking and get off the LOS.

We have immortalized Desean Jackson as the prototype new-era WR...and for good reason.  He was durable before he become a senior citizen and used speed and quickness to avoid contact at the LOS.  If you can do those two things, I don't care if you weigh 150 and fall over upon the first contact after the catch (Desean does).

As you all know, YAC is not yards after contact.  It's yards after the catch.  The best, most reliable, YAC just come from getting open, catching the ball in stride, and tearing upfield....not from tossing around DBs and dragging them for an extra 1-2 yards.

If Hightower can stay healthy and move the way he needs to, then the added mass just won't be necessary.  In 2000 when DBs could rough you up?  When we desperately needed that from Pinkston?  Sure.  But this is a different league.  

I'd rather not choose between Watkins and Hightower.  It's a short offseason.  Let's keep both and see their development through.  I'd rather choose between Ward and JJAW.

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