6 minutes ago, Utebird said:

the 189 lbs was his pro day weight in which he didnt run. For all we know he could of run a 4.6 at that weight.

Where as watkins at combine was 190 and ran 4.35

No, it wasn’t.

The weigh ins for the combine were held on Monday, February 24th. Check the weight and date on this rotoworld report from the combine (hint: it’s the 27th)...

https://www.rotoworld.com/college-football/nfl-draft/player/48867/john-hightower

Now what was the date for Boise State’s pro day? April 2nd. Literally a date that would be impossible to confuse with an article written in February.

He weighed in at the combine at 189 pounds, and a couple days later ran his 4.43. Maybe a lot of that was water weight that he got rid of when he ran, but factually speaking you are wrong.

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Hightower was 189 at the combine. I remember specifically talking about how his 40 time was impressive with the weight gain. 

He may have just put on good muscle and kept his speed, but I'd sooner let the guy play at 179 and be a 4.30 kind of runner.

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Hightower was 189 at the combine. I remember specifically talking about how his 40 time was impressive with the weight gain. 

The info i listed disagrees with you.

Im not saying youre misremembering just there seems to be conflicting evidence and the info ive listed is more extensive then the info on nfl.com

Just now, Utebird said:

The info i listed disagrees with you.

Im not saying youre misremembering just there seems to be conflicting evidence and the info ive listed is more extensive then the info on nfl.com

I think the weight is wrong in all of your sources. 

2 minutes ago, TEW said:

No, it wasn’t.

The weigh ins for the combine were held on Monday, February 24th. Check the weight and date on this rotoworld report from the combine (hint: it’s the 27th)...

https://www.rotoworld.com/college-football/nfl-draft/player/48867/john-hightower

Now what was the date for Boise State’s pro day? April 2nd. Literally a date that would be impossible to confuse with an article written in February.

He weighed in at the combine at 189 pounds, and a couple days later ran his 4.43. Maybe a lot of that was water weight that he got rid of when he ran, but factually speaking you are wrong.

So you going to trust rotoworld over a scouting site?

Whose to say rotoworld didnt just copy the weight from nfl.com???

Either way watkins still weighs more and ran faster.

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

The info i listed disagrees with you.

Im not saying youre misremembering just there seems to be conflicting evidence and the info ive listed is more extensive then the info on nfl.com

See my post above. Your info is wrong and — shockingly, I know — NFL.com is right about their own combine.

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

The info i listed disagrees with you.

Im not saying youre misremembering just there seems to be conflicting evidence and the info ive listed is more extensive then the info on nfl.com

Your website is inaccurate. I know this because when looking at the MPH measurements, I found they its just an estimate. Every player with the same 40 time has exactly the same mph. Your site literally makes up numbers. 

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

So you going to trust rotoworld over a scouting site?

Whose to say rotoworld didnt just copy the weight from nfl.com???

Either way watkins still weighs more and ran faster.

The NFL runs the combine. And the NFL website lists all combine measurements. I trust the NFL to list accurate info from their event. https://www.nfl.com/prospects/john-hightower?id=32194849-4777-2208-dbaa-36c5bd7d164f

23 minutes ago, Utebird said:

So you going to trust rotoworld over a scouting site?

Whose to say rotoworld didnt just copy the weight from nfl.com???

Either way watkins still weighs more and ran faster.

 

Yes!

I’m absolutely going to trust literally NFL.com’s NFL combine numbers which were done in February and have about a thousand articles written days afterwords about how he weighed in at 189 over your random website and theory that the 189 number came from his pro day when Boise State’s pro day wasn’t scheduled until early April and didn’t even happen because of the virus lockdown.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Your website is inaccurate. I know this because when looking at the MPH measurements, I found they its just an estimate. Every player with the same 40 time has exactly the same mph. Your site literally makes up numbers. 

Um its not my site.

Assuming the numbers on it are wrong.

Nfl.com has quez listed at 6ft 185lbs and hightower at 6'1" 189

Watkins at 4 lbs lighter ran a 4.35 and hightower a 4.4 so...

The argument was hightower was bigger watinks was 10 lbs lighter.

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

The NFL runs the combine. And the NFL website lists all combine measurements. I trust the NFL to list accurate info from their event. https://www.nfl.com/prospects/john-hightower?id=32194849-4777-2208-dbaa-36c5bd7d164f

Yeah this is official from them, I would go by this 

 

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

Harsh. I was an executive.  I was closer to the top than the bottom. It was a European based corporation so our executive pay and benefits was not out of this world crazy like the US.  There was some social viewpoints   We very much were trying to work towards a diverse workforce   We certainly came to realize the benefit of involving the workforce in changes in the way we did things.  Climate change mattered to us.  We had an executive in that role   Now it mattered to us because not only the impact on people but the impact on our business.  

We never viewed our lower skill workers as a liability.  Most were in the first decade of work.  The lower tiers within the company did a lot of our work and from it we raised the achievers to higher positions.   Now I will be honest, internationally the lowest skilled work was outsourced. I fear that for competitive reasons, we offshored that work for cost factors.   When I left, we were on shoring that work but mostly because bots were doing most of the labor part of the function, not people. 
 

Ive worked for european and US companyup to exec levels as well. The europeans are burdened by alot of those measures and it makes them slow to change and adapt. Their culture is indeed more collectivist but that hinders their corps not help.

inclusion, climate change is just nonsense you do bc its expected. Nothing but PR and politics. At best influence policy so it isnt super stupid.

you folks were offshored for exactly those reasons their value was so low that offshored unskilled labor was a smarter option

 

That Andy Dalton pickup is great for Dallas. Now Dak can sit behind a qb that’s better than him and learn how to truly be a mediocre qb who shrinks in big games. 

1 minute ago, TEW said:

 

Yes!

I’m absolutely going to trust literally NFL.com’s NFL combine numbers which were done in February and have about a thousand articles written days afterwords about how he weighed in at 189 over your random website and theory that the 189 number came from his pro day when Boise State’s pro day wasn’t scheduled until early April.

You mean the same nfl that lists player weights and heights.

Do you really believe brian westbrook was 5'10" because at the combine he was 5'8" are you telling me he grew 2 inches from the combine to his rookie season?

Im not saying its wrong but im not definitive its right?

Just now, Gator 12 said:

Yeah this is official from them, I would go by this 

It’s literally chronologically impossible for his pro day to be confused with his combine.

The combine was held in February. A few days later, still in February, hundreds of articles from multiple sources reported his weight as 189.

The entire month of March came and went.

Then the Boise state pro day was scheduled for April 2nd. And it didn’t even happen because of the WuFlu.

This is so stupid I don’t know why this is even a conversation.

29 minutes ago, Utebird said:

the 189 lbs was his pro day weight in which he didnt run. For all we know he could of run a 4.6 at that weight.

Where as watkins at combine was 190 and ran 4.35

I am sure you believe this. But Hightower's combine weight was 189, not 172. Your source is just wrong.

For real. 

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

You mean the same nfl that lists player weights and heights.

Do you really believe brian westbrook was 5'10" because at the combine he was 5'8" are you telling me he grew 2 inches from the combine to his rookie season?

Im not saying its wrong but im not definitive its right?

The height of irony in all of this is that the 172 weight number you are using literally comes from Boise State’s team roster and NOT the combine:

https://broncosports.com/roster.aspx?roster=206

Just now, TEW said:

It’s literally chronologically impossible for his pro day to be confused with his combine.

The combine was held in February. A few days later, still in February, hundreds of articles from multiple sources reported his weight as 189.

The entire month of March came and went.

Then the Boise state pro day was scheduled for April 2nd. And it didn’t even happen because of the WuFlu.

This is so stupid I don’t know why this is even a conversation.

Fair enough the numbers are fudged up and the source i read seem to be messed up which is weird but ok.

Having said that the original discussion was that watkins weighed 10 lbs lighter and hightower was bigger and faster.

Nfl.com well stick with that source has hightower listed at 6'1" though it doesnt give height in inches which is odd because thats how the measure at combine. And 189

Watkins 6'0" 185 according to nfl.com

So watkins at 4 lbs less ran a 4.35 to hightowers 4.43 so hows hightower faster???

Everyone in the blog chipping in to tell Utebird he's wrong... beginning at 1:30

 

1 minute ago, TEW said:

The height of irony in all of this is that the 172 weight number you are using literally comes from Boise State’s team roster and NOT the combine:

https://broncosports.com/roster.aspx?roster=206

Thats cool its an honest mistake, still doesnt dispute the original claim that hightower is faster than watkins.

The claim that 4.43 is impressive at 189 should also apply to someone weighing 185 running a faster 4.35 No???

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

Fair enough the numbers are fudged up and the source i read seem to be messed up which is weird but ok.

Having said that the original discussion was that watkins weighed 10 lbs lighter and hightower was bigger and faster.

Nfl.com well stick with that source has hightower listed at 6'1" though it doesnt give height in inches which is odd because thats how the measure at combine. And 189

Watkins 6'0" 185 according to nfl.com

So watkins at 4 lbs less ran a 4.35 to hightowers 4.43 so hows hightower faster???

I don’t care who is faster, I’m just trying to get basic facts cleared up.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp-broncos/nfl/broncos/draft/pro-football-focus-pegs-boise-state-wr-john-hightower-as-first-round-fit-for-denver-broncos

1 minute ago, TEW said:

I don’t care who is faster, I’m just trying to get basic facts cleared up.

If you were just trying to clear up facts then why the rolling laughing faces???

You were trying to prove me wrong and your self right? Mission accomplished give your self a gold star but lets not pretend you were on some epic quest to reveal truth for the sake of truth 

One can accomplish that without trying to do so by attempting to make others feel less than.

Good job though ill stick by the original claim that watkins is faster at pretty much the same size.