21 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Hmm.  That’s actually somewhat "good news” in the sense that the kid wasn’t 100%, etc.  Not good news that he was hurt but that could have been a major reason he didn’t seem to develop at a rate we all wanted.    That and the fact that there seemed to be poor communication with his coach. (I’m assuming Groh)

 Well, let’s see what he does this year, hopefully healthier. 
 

Edit: The rest of the thread on Twitter is a great interview.  The kid seems to be a team player, is high on the team, Wentz, Pederson and the fans.  Worth a 2 minute read if you have a chance. 

One of my takeaways was the knock on coaching. WTF were Groh and Walch doing if a Stanford guy is entering the game with no idea what roles he’s playing? And if that’s the case then Doug needs to step in and tell the coaches what to do to fix that. 

7 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

One of my takeaways was the knock on coaching. WTF were Groh and Walch doing if a Stanford guy is entering the game with no idea what roles he’s playing? And if that’s the case then Doug needs to step in and tell the coaches what to do to fix that. 

I’m guessing there was some anxiety component to this, which is probably what JJAW was getting at when he said he needed help walking to the bathroom.
 

When anxiety grips, even people with genius IQs can barely function.

13 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

I think Jones is still the guy that he looked like pre-draft... but the question is between his ears and his hamstrings.   If he can clear his head, and has his legs in shape... I think he can really step up and show why he was so highly rated before his pre-draft injury.  Of course, he could just as easily relapse into a head case.

 

If he becomes the guy he was at Washington, this defensive backfield can be really strong.  Add Everson Griffin to a 1 or 2 year Chris Long type deal, and this pass defense might be special.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

I think Jones is still the guy that he looked like pre-draft... but the question is between his ears and his hamstrings.   If he can clear his head, and has his legs in shape... I think he can really step up and show why he was so highly rated before his pre-draft injury.  Of course, he could just as easily relapse into a head case.

 

If he becomes the guy he was at Washington, this defensive backfield can be really strong.  Add Everson Griffin to a 1 or 2 year Chris Long type deal, and this pass defense might be special.

I think his tackling and run support are his biggest liability.  

2 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I think his tackling and run support are his biggest liability.  

Nah.  I'm used to CBs that can't tackle... Darby, Samuel, Taylor... its a standard around here.   His issue is getting beat in coverage.  I can handle him not being a great run defender, if he can be a blanket out there.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I think Jones is still the guy that he looked like pre-draft... but the question is between his ears and his hamstrings.   If he can clear his head, and has his legs in shape... I think he can really step up and show why he was so highly rated before his pre-draft injury.  Of course, he could just as easily relapse into a head case.

 

If he becomes the guy he was at Washington, this defensive backfield can be really strong.  Add Everson Griffin to a 1 or 2 year Chris Long type deal, and this pass defense might be special.

I agree with you.  The talent is there.  His body and confidence was not.  I think a lot of people underestimate confidence and in a way swagger helps a player.  I mentioned this with Dillard and how his confidence was taken away after the RT game.  His performance wasn't the same after.  You don't perform at your best when you don't believe in yourself.  If Sidney Jones is 100% healthy, has a stronger body to deal with 16+ games AND knows in his head he can be great, that's when he will become great.  It goes across the board.  When you become confident in yourself whether it's physically or knowing the playbook inside and out or from studying your opponent it allows you to play the game without thinking.  Instincts kick in, athletic ability kicks in.  The package is complete.  You can see it with Goedert.  The more Carson goes to him, the bigger play he makes the better he gets.  There were TD's he got in the RZ where I thought there is no way he's getting that but yup.  I expect Sidney to leave Maddox in the dust for CB2.

Regarding Griffin.  Not sure I see him ready to have the kind of role in his career.  I think he's still a starter in this league.  I could see him in Miami, TB or Jacksonville if they trade Yannick.  

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Regarding Griffin.  Not sure I see him ready to have the kind of role in his career.  I think he's still a starter in this league.  I could see him in Miami, TB or Jacksonville if they trade Yannick.  

Depends on the role.  Long was the same age as Griffin is now when the Eagles signed him.

The Eagles made it very clear through the first half of the season that JJAW was not sniffing the field because he was learning X and they did not want to overload him.  I don’t think the coaches will take kindly to hearing he said he had no idea where he was going to play.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Depends on the role.  Long was the same age as Griffin is now when the Eagles signed him.

Was he really?  Hmm, didn't realize that.  

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The Eagles made it very clear through the first half of the season that JJAW was not sniffing the field because he was learning X and they did not want to overload him.  I don’t think the coaches will take kindly to hearing he said he had no idea where he was going to play.

Never heard that. I heard he was being trained at all three positions. 

10 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Was he really?  Hmm, didn't realize that.  

32.

43 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

@HazletonEagle

Eagles struggled with core and leg injuries last year.   Am I wrong to worry with only virtual sessions with the training staff this spring and limited off season workouts, are we looking at an early season of calf strains, hamstring pulls, sports hernias, ACLs and Achilles?

I think you'll see them at the beginning of every season.  

Maybe our guys will be better off away from our staff though. 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

One of my takeaways was the knock on coaching. WTF were Groh and Walch doing if a Stanford guy is entering the game with no idea what roles he’s playing? And if that’s the case then Doug needs to step in and tell the coaches what to do to fix that. 

As long as they lined up correctly walchs job was done😒

37 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Never heard that. I heard he was being trained at all three positions. 

As i remember they said they were teaching him all 3 and thats why not playing so yeah

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

 

I told you guys not to sleep on this kid.  He’s got a ton of potential when healthy. 

Take it FWIW, but there are rumors that the Steelers aren't going to keep Juju. Not sure I believe that, but if so, I'd take a look once he hits FA.

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

Never heard that. I heard he was being trained at all three positions. 

Which is no wonder why he struggled.

Put him in some packages he's comfortable with to get some confidence and then expand the playbook for him.

They were putting the cart before the horse.

5 minutes ago, PrinceKelby said:

Which is no wonder why he struggled.

0ut him in some packages he's comfortable with to get some confidence and then expand the playbook for him.

They were putting the cart before the horse.

Kind of curious as to the truth of this. Were they teaching him 95% one position and introducing him to others in case people went down?  Seems a little hard to believe to me 

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

Never heard that. I heard he was being trained at all three positions. 

Funny enough, I remember it being both. At first they said he’s not playing because he’s learning the X and Jeffery was the starter. Then they changed the story later on and said he was learning all three positions. 

I think the playbook excuses are kind of ridiculous for JJAW. The coaches were able to coach up a bunch of practice squad-ers into the lineup at the end of the season, and they all produced more than JJAW. Fact of the matter is that JJAW didn't play well, simple as that. It's not the playbook.

The injuries could be another story...

39 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I told you guys not to sleep on this kid.  He’s got a ton of potential when healthy. 

Ike Reese and Bryce Treggs both commented on this tweet, so the kid has people pulling for him.

The team is also sending a message by not drafting a corner or signing a CB2 in free agency despite there being plenty of options available.

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I don't take 40 times very seriously anymore.

What matters is game speed, and that's a number of different aspects, explosion off the LOS, speed into his cuts (a lot of fast straight line guys gear down to cut, which is a tell for the DB), and a second gear (you can have average long speed, but if you lull the DB into slowing down to run with you, if you have a second gear you can blow by him even if he can out run you in a race).

Too many wide receivers run an impressive 40 in shorts, yet telegraph their routes so the CB gives him a 5 yard cushion knowing if he slows down he's either going to make a cut (that you can jump) or lacks the second gear to get up to top speed quickly. That's why a lot of great 40 yard dash guys never make it in the NFL - they can't get separation on the field, they lack hands to snatch and can't "high point" the ball.

Meanwhile guys like Hopkins run a 4.50 in shorts. But they're legitimate 4.50 in pads and through their cuts, while some of the 4.35 guys run 4.50 in pads and 4.65 through their cuts.

47 minutes ago, Allhaildawk said:

Kind of curious as to the truth of this. Were they teaching him 95% one position and introducing him to others in case people went down?  Seems a little hard to believe to me 

I think I remember them saying as much last year to the media, IIRC.

They asked when JJAW would see the field and said he had to get down all WR positions first, or something to that nature.

Found some articles/tweets to back up the "he isn’t playing because he’s an X” 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/insidetheiggles.com/2019/10/17/philadelphia-eagles-isnt-jj-arcega-whiteside-playing/amp