23 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The NFL is a copycat league.  This draft, for all teams, was about emulating the Chiefs and getting as fast as possible on offense.

It's a little surprising that Watkins went as low as he did, but every other WR who could run went very early.  

Kinda wild when you consider it was only 2014 when the Chiefs had ZERO touchdown receptions by a WR all year. 

7 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

 

Honestly ESP and giglio need to do a podcast called i hate Carson 

Circling back to the 40 time, during the podcast Banner said a lot of people point to the 40 as high correlation to success as a pass rusher. He said that wasn’t true. It’s the 10-yard split. 

18 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

 

Overactive imagination.  Eating that much dead money simply isn’t in the organization‘s best interest.  
 

If I were to play the ESP logic game (hurts my head a little, no pun intended), I could more easily imagine Wentz moving on with another team and winning a Super Bowl; if that were to happen both Doug and Howie would likely be out of work

6 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Overactive imagination.  Eating that much dead money simply isn’t in the organization‘s best interest.  
 

If I were to play the ESP logic game (hurts my head a little, no pun intended), I could more easily imagine Wentz moving on with another team and winning a Super Bowl; if that were to happen both Doug and Howie would likely be out of work

That tweet is going to look especially stupid when they just restructure him during the season, and tie him even longer.

4 hours ago, Allhaildawk said:

And get killed?

The league is more receiver friendly as the rules dont allow guys like hopkins and waters to patrol the middle and head hunt anymore.

Desean weighs around 175 lbs at least thats what hes listed at, hightower is an inch or 2 taller but i cant imagine hes going to play at 190 hes just not as fast at that weight. I guess it depends on what coaches and trainers want him at and whether or not he listens.

I mean every year coaches have asked sydney jones to get bigger and hes like, Nah😒

19 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Circling back to the 40 time, during the podcast Banner said a lot of people point to the 40 as high correlation to success as a pass rusher. He said that wasn’t true. It’s the 10-yard split. 

I think everything matters.  These correlations are all weak and statistically insignificant.  We are talking 0-2 high end pass rushers (or WRs) per draft and no more than a handful of quality starters.  That's not enough statistical power to say what does or doesn't correlate...just anecdotal trends.  One should still look at the trends and pay attention to them, but it's not easy to rule things in or out.

The 10 yard split seems to make more sense...track stance, first 10 yards in a straight line...seems to have a physiological overlap.  But it's still different from a 3 point stance when a 300lb tackle is redirecting you.  Tiny variations in sprinter technique lead to larger variations in the 10 yard split than they do into the final 40 yard dash time, which may be a greater indicator of overall athleticism, even if it is less similar to a typical football play.

 

 

https://94wip.radio.com/blogs/eliot-shorr-parks/alshon-jeffery-a-major-part-of-eagles-offense-in-2020

Lol at people actually believe this.

38 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

During his opening presser as an Eagle, Taylor mentioned that it wasn’t a scout or personnel employee doing the digging – rather Jim Schwartz himself.

I kept getting phone calls from Coach Schwartz [Eagles Defensive Coordinator Jim Schwartz], the linebacker coach [Ken Flajole], and to be honest, I didn’t expect to come to the Eagles, but when I got that phone call I was overjoyed. I’m really excited to become an Eagle, and just looking forward to the future.

Some of that is a little thin, but interesting that Moorehead and Reagor Sr. were teammates.  

Also interesting to hear how involved Schwartz was with Taylor.  

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I think everything matters.  These correlations are all weak and statistically insignificant.  We are talking 0-2 high end pass rushers (or WRs) per draft and no more than a handful of quality starters.  That's not enough statistical power to say what does or doesn't correlate...just anecdotal trends.  One should still look at the trends and pay attention to them, but it's not easy to rule things in or out.

The 10 yard split seems to make more sense...track stance, first 10 yards in a straight line...seems to have a physiological overlap.  But it's still different from a 3 point stance when a 300lb tackle is redirecting you.  Tiny variations in sprinter technique lead to larger variations in the 10 yard split than they do into the final 40 yard dash time, which may be a greater indicator of overall athleticism, even if it is less similar to a typical football play.

 

 

There is no 100 percent proven statistical measure for players at X position. Banner acknowledges that. He said it was used as a way to gain an advantage on the margins. 

I’m sure with 10 yard splits or 3 cone times (sub 7.00 seems to be the number if I recall correctly), it’s probably more about eliminating pass rushers. I would be interested in looking at the players who had the top times in both the three cone and 10 yard split. I’m curious if there is any kind of negligible hit rate there. 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Some of that is a little thin, but interesting that Moorehead and Reagor Sr. were teammates.  

Also interesting to hear how involved Schwartz was with Taylor.  

That was the only real take away IMO. 

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Some of that is a little thin, but interesting that Moorehead and Reagor Sr. were teammates.  

Also interesting to hear how involved Schwartz was with Taylor.  

he missed some too. Like Wallace has a Troy Vincent connection as well. And Moorehead recruited Reagor in college. 

For the "analytics don't matter crowd", watch the 2017 draft class.

4 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

https://94wip.radio.com/blogs/eliot-shorr-parks/alshon-jeffery-a-major-part-of-eagles-offense-in-2020

Lol at people actually believe this.

I don't get caught up in personalities and being angry at players.  I'm not judging Jeffery for what he did or did not say to the media.  

Purely as a player...recovered or not...they are better off without him on the field.  He was once a really, really good WR.  He's cooked.  Everyone declines at a different age.  He might as well be 45.  He runs like a TE...and not even a pass catching TE, more like the blocking variety.  He'll always know where to find the soft spot in a zone, but so could Mike Quick or Harold Carmichael if we coax them out of retirement.  His concentration drops have quietly been on the rise as well.

The offense is more predictable, more congested, and less effective with him on the field now that they have other options.

Wentz will get him the ball, he'll put up some modest numbers, and everyone will be worse off for it.    I think he's interchangeable with a Jordan Matthews at this point.

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

There is no 100 percent proven statistical measure for players at X position. Banner acknowledges that. He said it was used as a way to gain an advantage on the margins. 

I’m sure with 10 yard splits or 3 cone times (sub 7.00 seems to be the number if I recall correctly), it’s probably more about eliminating pass rushers. I would be interested in looking at the players who had the top times in both the three cone and 10 yard split. I’m curious if there is any kind of negligible hit rate there. 

That was the only real take away IMO. 

I find the 3 cone interesting.  Over the years, I've seen a lot of sub-par athletes with anomalously outstanding 3 cone times.   

1 minute ago, RLC said:

For the "analytics don't matter crowd", watch the 2017 draft class.

I’m not sure what to make of RAS, and I certainly don’t feel confident about any tool that says Matthews is an elite athlete. 

Just now, eagle45 said:

I find the 3 cone interesting.  Over the years, I've seen a lot of sub-par athletes with anomalously outstanding 3 cone times.   

Wasn’t Jordan Willis your boy? He’s the poster child for ignoring athletic testing. 

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I don't get caught up in personalities and being angry at players.  I'm not judging Jeffery for what he did or did not say to the media.  

Purely as a player...recovered or not...they are better off without him on the field.  He was once a really, really good WR.  He's cooked.  Everyone declines at a different age.  He might as well be 45.  He runs like a TE...and not even a pass catching TE, more like the blocking variety.  He'll always know where to find the soft spot in a zone, but so could Mike Quick or Harold Carmichael if we coax them out of retirement.  His concentration drops have quietly been on the rise as well.

The offense is more predictable, more congested, and less effective with him on the field now that they have other options.

Wentz will get him the ball, he'll put up some modest numbers, and everyone will be worse off for it.    I think he's interchangeable with a Jordan Matthews at this point.

I agree with all of this but the main point he probably won't even be ready to play if the season starts on time. Also, acting like Spadaro putting that out there is proof of anything is laughable. Spadaro is basically a hired mouth piece for the organization. Howie keeps mentioning Alshon, yet Pederson hasn't when he talks about WR. I wonder why.

7 minutes ago, RLC said:

For the "analytics don't matter crowd", watch the 2017 draft class.

Interesting numbers.

I don't think RAS always captures athleticism though.  Jordan Matthews was not a good athlete for the position.  Eric Rowe was a very stiff athlete.  Shelton Gibson, despite being a bust, was a very good athlete.  The rest seem pretty on-point.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

Circling back to the 40 time, during the podcast Banner said a lot of people point to the 40 as high correlation to success as a pass rusher. He said that wasn’t true. It’s the 10-yard split. 

That was the most insightful I've heard Banner.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/dolphins-plan-to-host-fans-during-coronavirus-using-scheduled-arrivals-quarter-capacity-limit-175220873.html

1/4 full stadiums with fans wearing masks will absolutely destroy home field advantage. This is going to be a crazy season.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

1/4 full stadiums with fans wearing masks will absolutely destroy home field advantage. This is going to be a crazy season.

I think we’re gonna find out if it’s the fans or travel that has the bigger impact for many teams. 

15 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I’m not sure what to make of RAS, and I certainly don’t feel confident about any tool that says Matthews is an elite athlete. 

Wasn’t Jordan Willis your boy? He’s the poster child for ignoring athletic testing. 

Loved Willis.  If we can ignore athletic testing due to his failure, then we'll also have to ignore college production (11.5 sacks, Big-12 defensive player of the year).  I guess he's the poster child for ignoring everything.

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Interesting numbers.

I don't think RAS always captures athleticism though.  Jordan Matthews was not a good athlete for the position.  Eric Rowe was a very stiff athlete.  Shelton Gibson, despite being a bust, was a very good athlete.  The rest seem pretty on-point.

I think it takes into account height and weight which is why Matthews and Rowe were so high.  I am not sure how each factor is weighted.  

30 minutes ago, RLC said:

For the "analytics don't matter crowd", watch the 2017 draft class.

Some of the worse performers have high RAS numbers.  I don’t put a lot of stock in that stat. If I did, Eric Rowe would be a consistent All-Pro.

11 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Some of the worse performers have high RAS numbers.  I don’t put a lot of stock in that stat. If I did, Eric Rowe would be a consistent All-Pro.

it seems to have a lot of weight on height/weight/speed

It seems you can post average jumps or other things but if youre big and fast you get a good speed score and a good RAS. 

I also think they make up a lot of numbers. I looked in to their max MPH for Higgins, and they have multiple steps to mathematically estimate different splits and put that all together to come up with an MPH. Which is not a real MPH measure. Though I believe he is faster at top speed than almost anyone gives him credit for, 22.5mph seems unrealistic.