1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

You want Reagor on punts and Hightower or Killins on kicks. 

I know Reagor projects as a really good PR, but I also really want him laser focused on becoming a complete WR.  PR's also may only be a couple hits per game, but they are big ones.  On that same note, I want all our new WRs focused on maximizing their skill set at the position.  

PR is not easy.  I'd rather Scott handle it.  He's got the quicks.  I really have no idea about ball security, but I don't think he has botched any.  He returned a few last year, although they mostly entrusted that to Ward.  

KOR is another meaningless collision at the 20 yard line.  Killins has that 4.2 speed, so he's as good of a bet as any to find a lane and take it.

 

1 hour ago, Arsenal79 said:

I was looking at Spotrac which didn't show his 2020 salary as guaranteed.  But overthecap shows it is guaranteed.  So yes if that's the case, there's zero point to cut Alshon if we have to eat his 2020 salary anyway.  The only hope is to trade him to a team that would swallow that contract.  Highly unlikely, so it appears we're stuck with him.

I suppose that's why he needs to be figured into the 2020 plans after all.

Pardon my ignorance for not looking this up, but IIRC, even though his 2020 salary may be guaranteed, cutting him now avoids a 2021 cap hit.  Cutting him now essentially pushes $10m of cap space into next year.

I have a very, very low opinion of what Alshon has left.  I think his 2020 salary is wasted whether he is on the roster or off it.  So either take a $25m hit now by cutting him now....or take a $15m hit now because you keep him and then a $10m hit when you cut him next year.  

He is useless.  You are wasting $25m either way.  Might as well waste it all now and roll some cap space into next year.

It is NOT worth $10m of 2021 cap space to have Alshon on the roster this year.  That's essentially what we are weighing here.  Alshon on the roster this year for $10m of cap space in 2021.

 

22 minutes ago, PrinceKelby said:

Wasn't Ward the PR last year?

Both were at different points in the season 

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Pardon my ignorance for not looking this up, but IIRC, even though his 2020 salary may be guaranteed, cutting him now avoids a 2021 cap hit.  Cutting him now essentially pushes $10m of cap space into next year.

I have a very, very low opinion of what Alshon has left.  I think his 2020 salary is wasted whether he is on the roster or off it.  So either take a $25m hit now by cutting him now....or take a $15m hit now because you keep him and then a $10m hit when you cut him next year.  

He is useless.  You are wasting $25m either way.  Might as well waste it all now and roll some cap space into next year.

It is NOT worth $10m of 2021 cap space to have Alshon on the roster this year.  That's essentially what we are weighing here.  Alshon on the roster this year for $10m of cap space in 2021.

 

It doesn’t really make a difference. If you cut him now you have a higher cap number this year which means less rollover for next year. Cut him later and your just splitting up the same amount between two years. Either way the end result is the same. Better to just hold onto him in the hopes you can trade him at some point 

10 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I know Reagor projects as a really good PR, but I also really want him laser focused on becoming a complete WR.  PR's also may only be a couple hits per game, but they are big ones.  On that same note, I want all our new WRs focused on maximizing their skill set at the position.  

PR is not easy.  I'd rather Scott handle it.  He's got the quicks.  I really have no idea about ball security, but I don't think he has botched any.  He returned a few last year, although they mostly entrusted that to Ward.  

KOR is another meaningless collision at the 20 yard line.  Killins has that 4.2 speed, so he's as good of a bet as any to find a lane and take it.

 

While Killins intrigues me, it will be all about what other things that person can do. Maybe Scott doesn't run as fast, but who do you want as your 3rd down spell back? Killins may be fast, but Scott can still push forward if a DE catches his hip on a 3rd and 2 RB draw. Of course, if Killins is so fast, no one is touching him for 5 yards, can he hold up during a season? Who gets snatched from the practice squad?

The game of 53 is a dance.

 

6 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

He is useless.  You are wasting $25m either way.  Might as well waste it all now and roll some cap space into next year.

That 25M either way is why there's no rush to release him. He still might be able to play. 
Trade though? Send him out immediately. 

Looking at Alshon's deal, the most cost efficient way of handling him is to roster him this year and then cut or trade him post 6/1 next year. That would save $13M on the cap next year, with just a $5M dead cap penalty. Would pay him a total of $20M over the next two years in cap charges.

EDIT: It carries over a $5M cap hit for 2022 as well.

7 hours ago, eagle45 said:

I call BS.  Anytime you like a player enough to have "stunned silence" when he's drafted in round 3, then you would have drafted him in round 2.  

And if they were smart enough to think that highly of him in 2012, then they were equally stupid drafting a LB over him in round 2.

Not to mention drafting the wrong LB in round 2.

For those who care about jersey numbers, that leaves 80, 82 and 87 for Hightower and Watkins unless they want single digits in the preseason. 

14 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Welp, it was nice knowing him.

That jersey is more than likely jinxed from the last guy.

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

I tend to find that jumps are the best measure for linemen on both sides of the ball, adjusted for weight.

So a 250 lb DE should jump 35+", but a 300 DT or OT who jumps 30+ has good leg explosion, while a 340 lb lineman should get over 27+".

The "jumps" matter b/c first step quickness is the key, some is quick twitch, some is anticipaton (film study and instincts), some is leg explosion.

The 10 yard splits matter more in the days of immobile QBs where DEs ran around OTs, now you want your DE staying home more, especially the LDE, because you don't want QBs able to roll right (if they're RH) and make throws on the run (harder to make that throw running left).

There will be a big correlation between the jumps and 10 yard split. Since you are starting from 0, stride length has a heavier initial influence on acceleration. For the same reason someone has the strength to jump higher is the same reason their first few steps will be better.

If you look at Alshon's season last year, you have to remember that he was playing through injuries pretty much the whole season last year.  Additionally, there was NOBODY who could get behind the defense to open up the underneath stuff.  His last game, gimpy and all, he still managed 9 rec, 137 yrs and a touchdown.  

I know that he has rubbed people the wrong way and appeared to be really slow last year (I think you have to account for his injuries).  At minimum, if the Eagles put him on PUP, he is there for spot duty and a chance to spell the inevitable injured (or poor performing WR_.  The guy can move the chains and is a red zone target.  Put it this way, would you rather have a healthy Jeffrey manning X or JJ Arcega Whiteside down the stretch?  It cost cap space no matter what.  You might as well PUP him and he is there if JJ stinks up the place.   

I want Alshon gone. He's 30, never healthy, so damn slow, talked behind the back of Wentz, and most importantly, he isn't good anymore. He's also coming off the worst injury of his career. Why would he suddenly get better?

14 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

If everyone has finally tired of the QB and WR discussion, I want to talk LBs.

Projected Depth Chart:

MLB: Edwards | Bradley

SLB: Geary | Taylor

WLB: Brown | Riley

PS: Singleton | Olson

The WLB listed above would come off the field when we go to Nickel, so they're not going to be "starting" or even playing that often.

Question 1: Will T.J. Edwards be able to handle being the starting MLB?

Question 2: Will Nate Geary be the other starter?  Will he be the sole Dime backer?

Question 3: Who will play WLB when we play 3 LBs?

I understand that we don't value this position, but I'm still concerned it is a defensive weakness that can be exploited.

T. J. Edwards has incredible football IQ and Gerry isn’t far behind. Gerry has to work on his tackling.  I think there will be a battle for the third position with it likely Riley comes out on top. I also think Riley will be the initial backup at MIKE.  If Riley moves there is is likely Taylor who is up next. Taylor will have an opportunity to bench either Gerry or more likely Riley.  Don’t sleep on Singleton.  Like Gerry, he was a college S.  He played real well in the CFL. We saw Riley a couple times as the Dime backer. May be he gets some reps there.  Brown looked bad on the field last year.  He is a STer mostly for us, not the starting WIL.   I think he and Sanders are battling for the same role.  Sanders PS eligibility may put him there.  Olson is merely a kick the tires guy. Ever since Casey Matthews, I have hated 4.8 LBs and he is barely a 4.8 guy.  

I can’t imagine a scenario where this team is better without Alshon. 
 

But hey let’s just forget about what made this team successful. Screw the north/south run game... Oh there’s a bunch of fast guys now. 3 rookies, a vet who’s always hurt, and another vet who isn’t any good but who cares (has track speed) are gonna make us just like the Chiefs. You can’t stretch the field without track speed... 

There’s no doubt the Eagles needed to get faster but I’m just not buying what they’re trying to do. But this is the ultimate copycat league so whatever. 
 

My existence has nothing to do with the outcome of any game. 

36 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It doesn’t really make a difference. If you cut him now you have a higher cap number this year which means less rollover for next year. Cut him later and your just splitting up the same amount between two years. Either way the end result is the same. Better to just hold onto him in the hopes you can trade him at some point 

That's under the assumption that you can freely move $10m of unused cap space from this year into next year.  Maybe they can, maybe they can't.  I have no idea.  

I want him off the roster.  Doug can be sentimental and too loyal to vets.  I don't want Watkins or Hightower getting cut loose to accommodate Jeffery.  I don't want Wentz forcing the football to Jeffery in an effort to put out whatever fires there are from whatever happened behind the scenes.  

If Desean gets hurt, JJAW continues to bust, Reagor struggles as a rookie, and Goodwin/Hightower/Watkins can't contribute, then I still don't want Jeffery playing when he gets healthy.    Sign Jordan Matthews.  

22 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

If you look at Alshon's season last year, you have to remember that he was playing through injuries pretty much the whole season last year.  Additionally, there was NOBODY who could get behind the defense to open up the underneath stuff.  His last game, gimpy and all, he still managed 9 rec, 137 yrs and a touchdown.  

I know that he has rubbed people the wrong way and appeared to be really slow last year (I think you have to account for his injuries).  At minimum, if the Eagles put him on PUP, he is there for spot duty and a chance to spell the inevitable injured (or poor performing WR_.  The guy can move the chains and is a red zone target.  Put it this way, would you rather have a healthy Jeffrey manning X or JJ Arcega Whiteside down the stretch?  It cost cap space no matter what.  You might as well PUP him and he is there if JJ stinks up the place.   

Sign me up for neither under any circumstances.  That's where I want Reagor.

 

15 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I can’t imagine a scenario where this team is better without Alshon. 
 

But hey let’s just forget about what made this team successful. Screw the north/south run game... Oh there’s a bunch of fast guys now. 3 rookies, a vet who’s always hurt, and another vet who isn’t any good but who cares (has track speed) are gonna make us just like the Chiefs. You can’t stretch the field without track speed... 

There’s no doubt the Eagles needed to get faster but I’m just not buying what they’re trying to do. But this is the ultimate copycat league so whatever. 
 

My existence has nothing to do with the outcome of any game. 

He's not 2017 Alshon.  I cannot imagine a good to great NFL offense that has Alshon on the field as a full time player getting >100 targets per year.

10 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

That's under the assumption that you can freely move $10m of unused cap space from this year into next year.  Maybe they can, maybe they can't.  I have no idea.  

I want him off the roster.  Doug can be sentimental and too loyal to vets.  I don't want Watkins or Hightower getting cut loose to accommodate Jeffery.  I don't want Wentz forcing the football to Jeffery in an effort to put out whatever fires there are from whatever happened behind the scenes.  

If Desean gets hurt, JJAW continues to bust, Reagor struggles as a rookie, and Goodwin/Hightower/Watkins can't contribute, then I still don't want Jeffery playing when he gets healthy.    Sign Jordan Matthews.  

That’s the way it’s been for awhile and nothing changed with the new cba. 
 

I’m over him as well. Just saying there’s no real difference. I have a feeling though if he’s healthy he’s going to play. I’m not sure Howie wants to admit his colossal mistake of guaranteeing his this year

Doc Halladay was 10x the pitcher that Alshon was WR.  When he lost it, he lost it fast.  Howie and Doug need to man up on this and take him behind the barn.  I'm not joking when I say I'd rather have Jordan Matthews.

I love Alshons game, but taking shots at Wentz through Josina Anderson is unforgivable for a veteran, and the injury concern is very real.  Let's see how he rehabs and if he can keep his mouth shut.  He should have to earn his spot back, and how the Eagles handle him will be another sign of their ability to move past the 2017 sentimentality as an organization

 

Also, Im rooting hard for Davion Taylor to flash enough to steal a starting spot.  Gerry is just not my kine or LB, Im not sure Edwards is starter quality, and the rest are just some guys I think

25 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I can’t imagine a scenario where this team is better without Alshon. 
 

But hey let’s just forget about what made this team successful. Screw the north/south run game... Oh there’s a bunch of fast guys now. 3 rookies, a vet who’s always hurt, and another vet who isn’t any good but who cares (has track speed) are gonna make us just like the Chiefs. You can’t stretch the field without track speed... 

There’s no doubt the Eagles needed to get faster but I’m just not buying what they’re trying to do. But this is the ultimate copycat league so whatever. 
 

My existence has nothing to do with the outcome of any game. 

People have quickly forgotten how when we had DJAX and Maclin the first time, everyone was crying that all they could do was run go routes, we had no possession receivers, etc. Now after last year, everyone just wants speed regardless of route running. 

We won’t succeed with only one of those types. Need both types. 

I dont see the value in jeffrey. Hes coming off a serious injury and its not like he was fast before the injury its still difficult to understand what the heck howie was thinking by guaranteeing him so much, its not like jeffrey was coming off a 1200 10 td season, hes always hurt and always running his mouth so not sure the allure.

If he didnt have the salary he has he would have been cut or traded for a box of rocks a while ago.

As is eagles are stuck with him😞