5 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Baylor WRs were taught to take plays off when the ball wasn’t going their way. It was talked about a ton when Corey Coleman was in the draft. 

But mims is a great run blocker and loves it. 

For those who don't go outside of this thread,  VA added thre Amazon affiliate link now too.

This link is for purchases on Amazon.com: https://amzn.to/3dlgm0l

For Amazon, the board will get 'up to' 10%, depending on what's purchased. The breakdown is listed below. 

7 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

This is more of a connection than some of the players they talked about. I really liked how much his tweet hyped it up but the article when it comes to Hightower is "there’s no real connection but he likes Meek Mill”

Lolol. Sounds like desperation to get an article in before the deadline.  

8 hours ago, Arsenal79 said:

I'd be more than happy to hand over a 4th rounder if someone would take Alshon off our hands.  Sadly I think it would cost at least a 3rd.

I think there was a Brock Osweiler deal like this a few years ago that would help to quantify the draft pick value of cap space.

Yeah, that's the trade that made me think of the idea.

2 minutes ago, TEW said:

Yeah, that's the trade that made me think of the idea.

Osweiler trade Texans to Browns - Osweiler a 6th and a 2nd for Browns 4th.

11 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Pardon my ignorance for not looking this up, but IIRC, even though his 2020 salary may be guaranteed, cutting him now avoids a 2021 cap hit.  Cutting him now essentially pushes $10m of cap space into next year.

I have a very, very low opinion of what Alshon has left.  I think his 2020 salary is wasted whether he is on the roster or off it.  So either take a $25m hit now by cutting him now....or take a $15m hit now because you keep him and then a $10m hit when you cut him next year.  

He is useless.  You are wasting $25m either way.  Might as well waste it all now and roll some cap space into next year.

It is NOT worth $10m of 2021 cap space to have Alshon on the roster this year.  That's essentially what we are weighing here.  Alshon on the roster this year for $10m of cap space in 2021.

 

?

For starters, no one knows what’s really going on behind the scenes with Alshon.  Everything the media and fans are saying about him and the situation is based on conjecture; including his injury and how far along he is in his rehab. 

He could very well be back earlier than expected and contribute in 2020, especially if the season is delayed.   So why on Earth would the Eagles just "cut” him and take an insane cap hit this year?  Makes zero sense.

 

Alshon playing this year + a 15 mil cap hit and 10 mil next year is much better for the team than a 25 mil cap hit and Alshon not playing at all.  He could very well be a difference maker this year, especially with the inexperience we have at the WR position.   

1 hour ago, Ace Nova said:

?

For starters, no one knows what’s really going on behind the scenes with Alshon.  Everything the media and fans are saying about him and the situation is based on conjecture; including his injury and how far along he is in his rehab. 

He could very well be back earlier than expected and contribute in 2020, especially if the season is delayed.   So why on Earth would the Eagles just "cut” him and take an insane cap hit this year?  Makes zero sense.

 

Alshon playing this year + a 15 mil cap hit and 10 mil next year is much better for the team than a 25 mil cap hit and Alshon not playing at all.  He could very well be a difference maker this year, especially with the inexperience we have at the WR position.   

25m hit this year is better than 15m this year and 10m next.

Alshon not playing at all > Alshon playing 
 

Combine the two and it’s a really easy call.

Getting mad at college WRs for not blocking is dumb. In College, they have significantly more practices, their coaches tell them often not to block on runs away from their side and they have 10 more snaps a game.

Caring about WR blocking skills is how you get Jordan Matthews, Josh Huff, JJAW, Riley Cooper, etc.

I’m terms of alshon If released prior to June 1 it’s 25.9 mil of dead money in 2020 and you lose 10.5 mil of rollover cap space in 2021.
 

if he’s cut post June 1st, it’s 15.4 dead money and 0 savings in 2020. But in 2021 the 10 dead money and saving 7.9
 

35 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

25m hit this year is better than 15m this year and 10m next.

Alshon not playing at all > Alshon playing 
 

Combine the two and it’s a really easy call.

That’s ridiculous and I’m pretty sure the Eagles’ brass would not agree with your assessment. 

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m terms of alshon If released prior to June 1 it’s 25.9 mil of dead money in 2020 and you lose 10.5 mil of rollover cap space in 2021. Additionally it’s still 10.5 mil in dead money in 2021 and only 7.9 savings in 2021. 
 

if he’s cut post June 1st, it’s 15.4 dead money and 0 savings in 2020. But in 2021 the dead money is only 5.5 and savings of 13 million. 
 

it makes a ton of sense for them to cut alshon post June 1st this year. Cause they are over the cap by 25ish million according to sportrac in 2021. Not only do you gain 13 mil of space in 2021 but also the roll over money you have from this year (2020) isn’t affected. If you post June 1st cut alshon in 2021 you don’t get that cap space til after June 1st 

 

That’s not correct. Cutting post June 1st this year is 15M dead this year and $10M dead next year. The $5M dead in 2021 is if you cut him post June 1st in 2021 

20 minutes ago, RLC said:

Getting mad at college WRs for not blocking is dumb. In College, they have significantly more practices, their coaches tell them often not to block on runs away from their side and they have 10 more snaps a game.

 

Yep.  And some of that has to do with the fact that plays in college generally take longer to develop than in the NFL.  So if you have a very quick WR immediately blocking, he could give the play away to the rest of the defense, etc. 

13 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

That’s not correct. Cutting post June 1st this year is 15M dead this year and $10M dead next year. The $5M dead in 2021 is if you cut him post June 1st in 2021 

I interpreted it wrong. You are correct. I wish it allowed for you to chose which June 1st with year cut to see what it did each year (went back and edited it).

so I’m guessing if you June 1st cut him this year you Take 10 mil dead money and wind up saving 7.9 towards the cap in 2021 plus whatever you roll over into 2021 (currently over 20 mil which remains untouched). However if you just cut him pre June 1st next year it’s the same 10 mil in dead money and 8 mil cap savings. Either way it’s affecting you the same in 2021 unless you post June 1st cut him in 2021 but you wouldn’t even get the 13 mil savings til June 1st (I’m guessing with roll over cap and restructuring of certain guys if they keep alshon this year would likely have space decide to cut him post June 1 in 2021)

 

16 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

That’s ridiculous and I’m pretty sure the Eagles’ brass would not agree with your assessment. 

No they wouldn't.  Neither would Doug, which is why it's especially important that he be off the team.  We don't need a 3 legged thoroughbred clogging the offense at X and pressing Doug and Wentz to call his number.  Some guys don't know when to move on.  For exhibit A, see Doug's usage of Darren Sproles in the offense.  Jeffery will be Darren Sproles starting at X.

Even good rookies like Dallas can struggle lining up. It's hard playing in the NFL!
Also, this should tell us not to expect Reagor to get a 75% snap share early on unless he's primarily run fly routes.

This Jeffery discussion has been kicked around a fair bit, but the draft hinted towards him not being a part of the plans IMO.  My assumption has always been he'll be on PUP at least the first half of next season and the Eagles will likely just leave him as non-active the remainder of the year, unless something ridiculous like last season happens with the WR group and the team is desperate for anyone who can fill a uniform.

I believe both Reagor and Hightower are active on game days in 2020, so the Eagles will have Jackson, Reagor, Ward, JJAW, Hightower, and one of Goodwin/Watkins coming out of camp.  If JJAW flames out again in 2020 it's possible the Eagles will see a need for Jeffery as a big-body WR, but if the offense is moving the ball and scoring with the younger, faster guys I doubt there will be much impetus to get him on the field.

 

12 hours ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

That sounds like complete and utter BS. 
 

You’re telling me freakin 18-22 year old D-1 football WRs are asked to not even move at times because the coaches don’t want them expending too much energy... if that’s true then there’s much of the reason the Big 12 sucks and has a reputation for being soft. 
 

Christ... they’re WRs, not basketball, hockey, or soccer players. O and D lineman work at more of an aerobic pace than WRs and they’re 250-350. 
 

Between the rest between plays, series, and TV timeouts, there is no reason a freakin WR should get gassed or experience muscle fatigue in that way. If so, your offseason conditioning program (and probably nutrition program) needs a big overhaul. 
 

Reagor didn’t try hard on those plays because he didn’t care and his coaches were enablers. Plain and simple. Let’s hope that changes. 

Great take.  I'll stick with trusting the guy that actually studies the game and speaks to these coaches and players on a daily basis.  

9 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

You don’t remember the guy with a jacked up eye?

Nope

13 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

This Jeffery discussion has been kicked around a fair bit, but the draft hinted towards him not being a part of the plans IMO.  My assumption has always been he'll be on PUP at least the first half of next season and the Eagles will likely just leave him as non-active the remainder of the year, unless something ridiculous like last season happens with the WR group and the team is desperate for anyone who can fill a uniform.

I believe both Reagor and Hightower are active on game days in 2020, so the Eagles will have Jackson, Reagor, Ward, JJAW, Hightower, and one of Goodwin/Watkins coming out of camp.  If JJAW flames out again in 2020 it's possible the Eagles will see a need for Jeffery as a big-body WR, but if the offense is moving the ball and scoring with the younger, faster guys I doubt there will be much impetus to get him on the field.

 

I tend to think they PUP him and then see where they are week 7 with their WRs (Like you said they’d have to be extremely desperate) and most likely scenario is just IR him At that point.

Frankly it makes little sense to cut him right now. There’s no offseason team activities anyway. So he’s not disrupting the team Or even around the team and gets a little healthier each day. Plus you don’t get any cap saving to cut him post June 1 anyway so why not let him just keep rehabbing and see where he’s at when TC starts. Maybe howie pulls a rabbit out of the hat and some team trades for him (completely unlikely). At that point you can make the decision to either cut or PUP him and go that route.

I kind of think with the roll over money into 2021 and Likely restructuring of a couple guys the eagles Will have Enough cap space in 2021 to do what they want and go the route of cut jeffery as a post June 1st cut in 2021 (if you cut jeffery post June 1st this year then in 2021 it’s still 10 mil dead money and only 8 mil savings. If you cut jeffery after this year and don’t designated it as post June 1 2021 it’s 10 mil dead money and 8 mil savings)  

Yikes...

9 hours ago, eagle45 said:

He was actually really built up by the hype machine as a big addition.

He was a productive DT in Indy.  He was over the hill and didn't do much on a pretty mediocre d-line.  

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Yikes...

Wow that’s bad. 

that said I love jaire Alexander. Kid is a stud already. 

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Yikes...

I'm really starting to believe JJAW in regards to he had no clue what he was doing pregame and during game. Seems like every WR/TE didn't know where they were supposed to be and Ertz and Wentz were lining them up.

This is 100% coaching, unacceptable. Hopefully its fixed with the offensive coaching changes.

Thats why Walch and Groh are gone, among many other reasons.  How embarrassing to go from where they were in 2017 at the height of the coaching profession to Walch and Groh struggling to figure out how to get guys lined up and even use them on the field 

59 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

No they wouldn't.  Neither would Doug, which is why it's especially important that he be off the team.  We don't need a 3 legged thoroughbred clogging the offense at X and pressing Doug and Wentz to call his number.  Some guys don't know when to move on.  For exhibit A, see Doug's usage of Darren Sproles in the offense.  Jeffery will be Darren Sproles starting at X.

 

50 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Wait.  You’re serious?

Nothing that has come out of the Eagles’ camp (credible sources) suggests they are going to cut Alshon this year.   If I’m wrong, please show me where the Eagles have said that.