1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Scabs 

I'm guessing you don't live in PA?  Must be nice not having that gas tax.  Wish I had somewhere to drive right now with prices that low.  

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

I would suspect that, baring a WR injury or JJAW tanking or being traded, that the greatest likelihood is the Eagles never move Jeffrey from PUP this offseason and he starts the season on PUP.   Six weeks in, the Eagles make a decision as to whether to practice him.  That will be driven in large part by his level of recovery.  They have an option then to either IR him, play him or trade him.  That option will be driven by team need.  Injuries could play a part, both for us and potential trade partners.  Performance of the other players may also factor into any decisions   

The $15 million this year is a sunk cost. They are paying it no matter what.  Current salary cap and cap plans for next year will factor into the decisions considered. While it won’t impact the Eagles cap needs at the start of the 2021 league year, designating Jeffery as a 2021 June 1st cut would spread that $10.5 million over two years, I believe, and offer an influx of $5.25 million in June 2021 to the cap.

Cutting Jeffery this year as a June 1st cut this year doesn’t make great business sense to me based on my understanding of all things.

As far as a sensationalized couple of articles, BFD. Sincerely doubt it has any impact on the Eagles decision as to Jeffery.  Number one, never overlook the nature of 21st century media presentations. Probably a degree of truth behind that, as Carson acknowledged.  Maybe the team saw the calming influence of McCown on the locker room on Carson and the impact of impending parenthood.  He touched on that in the interview and specifically mentioned BG.  One wonders about the evaluation of Hurts and his locker room reputation and the chemistry they expect from all of these factors in the QB room this year.  First time that Wentz is the senior guy in the room. 

As to Jeffery is "done”.  Maybe.  Lis franc toasted Duce.  Jump balls are a big part of his game.  But what if the Jeffery was really impacted by the calf injury last year and then a foot from that.  Just coming back from that in the Miami game and hurts his foot.  Maybe done, maybe not.  What if he fully recovers?  That is going to determine his value to the Eagles or other teams and will be a factor in decisions. 

Probably the best analysis of the Alshon situation yet.  Thanks for that.  They have to pay him either way.  If he isn't taking up a roster spot and the talk of him being the locker room cancer is overblown then there is no reason not to PUP him and see what's left in the tank.

Disagree on Duce though.  He went on and played pretty well for the Steelers for a few years until Willie Parker burst on to the scene.

3 hours ago, Gator 12 said:

I'm really starting to believe JJAW in regards to he had no clue what he was doing pregame and during game. Seems like every WR/TE didn't know where they were supposed to be and Ertz and Wentz were lining them up.

This is 100% coaching, unacceptable. Hopefully its fixed with the offensive coaching changes.

The coaching thing is not a good excuse IMO. All of the practice squad-ers lined up just fine and produced at the end of the season. Boston Scott, Robert Davis, Deontay Burnett, Josh Perkins.

As for the Hollins clip, it's an audible at the line of scrimmage. It's a WR's job to signal to the QB to get the adjustment. That happens all the time.

16 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Doc Halladay was 10x the pitcher that Alshon was WR.  When he lost it, he lost it fast.  Howie and Doug need to man up on this and take him behind the barn.  I'm not joking when I say I'd rather have Jordan Matthews.

If Alshon's done he's done.  He hasn't been healthy since 2017 and it has shown.  I don't think his injuries prevent him from returning to form in the sense that his game has never been about speed but just using his body to create separation and leverage to make catches.  I think there's a good possibility his lis franc injury keeps him from playing anywhere close to where he was.  

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

If Alshon's done he's done.  He hasn't been healthy since 2017 and it has shown.  I don't think his injuries prevent him from returning to form in the sense that his game has never been about speed but just using his body to create separation and leverage to make catches.  I think there's a good possibility his lis franc injury keeps him from playing anywhere close to where he was.  

Aside from the fact that I am 99% convinced he is done, there is an issue with his status as a star.  

He was great in 2017 and helped us win a superbowl.  He has complained about his usage in this offense.  He's still a big name.  If he's healthy enough to play, he's not going to get a "fair" shot...he's going to get more than a fair shot.  They'll put him on the field and Wentz is really going to try to get him the ball.  

Based on Sproles and Peters, I do not trust Doug to make the call that Alshon doesn't have it anymore.  

4 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I interpreted it wrong. You are correct. I wish it allowed for you to chose which June 1st with year cut to see what it did each year (went back and edited it).

so I’m guessing if you June 1st cut him this year you Take 10 mil dead money and wind up saving 7.9 towards the cap in 2021 plus whatever you roll over into 2021 (currently over 20 mil which remains untouched). However if you just cut him pre June 1st next year it’s the same 10 mil in dead money and 8 mil cap savings. Either way it’s affecting you the same in 2021 unless you post June 1st cut him in 2021 but you wouldn’t even get the 13 mil savings til June 1st (I’m guessing with roll over cap and restructuring of certain guys if they keep alshon this year would likely have space decide to cut him post June 1 in 2021)

 

spotrac is better for that.

I'm always looking for the passive aggressive players that won't make it obvious what they're thinking until decision time comes. They play superhero to themselves to defend against any criticism whatsoever . These guys can only repress their own narcissism for so long, and then they feel 'underappreciated' no matter how much they've been appreciated; but perhaps held responsible for not meeting expectations; which they don't comprehend. I could make a list, but we all know who would be on it.

Good watch for fans of DL/OL play.

50 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

The coaching thing is not a good excuse IMO. All of the practice squad-ers lined up just fine and produced at the end of the season. Boston Scott, Robert Davis, Deontay Burnett, Josh Perkins.

As for the Hollins clip, it's an audible at the line of scrimmage. It's a WR's job to signal to the QB to get the adjustment. That happens all the time.

Can we definitely say that was the case for Bob Davis and Burnett? how are we not sure Carson or someone didn't tell them exactly where to go before the huddle broke. Not being a conspiracy theorist here but there seems to be plenty of examples on film, from interviews and people on twitter (Kist suggesting he has plenty of film of Hollins) saying many didn't know where to go. 

Also i'm not going to give you Robert Davis and Burnett "produced" they had 3 catches combined lol

As far as Boston Scott goes the RBs seems to always be in the right spot, Scott and Sanders. I think its A.) easier to line up a RB and B.) attributed to a great RB coach. 

I just think WR coaching did not help.

17 minutes ago, Gator 12 said:

Can we definitely say that was the case for Bob Davis and Burnett? how are we not sure Carson or someone didn't tell them exactly where to go before the huddle broke. Not being a conspiracy theorist here but there seems to be plenty of examples on film, from interviews and people on twitter (Kist suggesting he has plenty of film of Hollins) saying many didn't know where to go. 

Also i'm not going to give you Robert Davis and Burnett "produced" they had 3 catches combined lol

As far as Boston Scott goes the RBs seems to always be in the right spot, Scott and Sanders. I think its A.) easier to line up a RB and B.) attributed to a great RB coach. 

I just think WR coaching did not help.

All fine and good points. I just think a guy as bright as JJAW shouldn't have any issues with the playbook after being there all season. X, Y, Z. Doesn't matter. He should know it.

I'm not saying there can't be little mess-ups here and there, like the Goedert clip posted above. But to blame your poor season on not knowing where to line up is wild.

1 hour ago, schuy7 said:

The coaching thing is not a good excuse IMO. All of the practice squad-ers lined up just fine and produced at the end of the season. Boston Scott, Robert Davis, Deontay Burnett, Josh Perkins.

As for the Hollins clip, it's an audible at the line of scrimmage. It's a WR's job to signal to the QB to get the adjustment. That happens all the time.

Bingo!

5 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

All fine and good points. I just think a guy as bright as JJAW shouldn't have any issues with the playbook after being there all season. X, Y, Z. Doesn't matter. He should know it.

I'm not saying there can't be little mess-ups here and there, like the Goedert clip posted above. But to blame your poor season on not knowing where to line up is wild.

Perhaps i misunderstood your stance here, You are talking about JJAW claiming part of his poor play was attributed to that?

Sure, In regards to that being why he was bad? Yeah, I agree. If you are a good player you could still be confused as hell and produce a little bit.

I just think there could be credibility in his claim that he didn't know where to line up, not suggesting that was why he was bad. The coaches didn't seem to be helping him or anyone in that regards as evidenced by the film Kist has been showing. I just hope that part is fixed, we can't have any of our young WRs this year not knowing where to line up.

3 hours ago, BigEFly said:

I would suspect that, baring a WR injury or JJAW tanking or being traded, that the greatest likelihood is the Eagles never move Jeffrey from PUP this offseason and he starts the season on PUP....

Good analysis.  I think Jeffrey's injury actually makes his situation far easier to manage considering the sunk costs.  At least he doesn't have to take a roster spot from a younger player in addition to the $.

 

Assuming he gets healthy mid-season, they can let the shape of the WR corps dictate the next move.

1 hour ago, schuy7 said:

The coaching thing is not a good excuse IMO. All of the practice squad-ers lined up just fine and produced at the end of the season. Boston Scott, Robert Davis, Deontay Burnett, Josh Perkins.

As for the Hollins clip, it's an audible at the line of scrimmage. It's a WR's job to signal to the QB to get the adjustment. That happens all the time.

Really?  Produced? 

Other than Ward, which practice squad WR produced?  Remember, Scott is a RB and Perkins is a TE.

I see there was a thread on twitter about our WRs not knowing what theyre doing. 

I have said for a few years now that our offense is not one that WRs can pick up and contribute right away in.

This offseason I said that was something that needs to change because we were going to need to add a few WRs, and we will need them to produce. Every other team that drafted a WR seemed to get instant production, even from ones who were said to be super raw. There is no reason we shouldnt be able to do the same. 

10 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Really?  Produced? 

Other than Ward, which practice squad WR produced?  Remember, Scott is a RB and Perkins is a TE.

I wasn't referencing WRs alone. 

My point is that they knew where to line up without a problem. Doug praised the coaches for doing such a good job with bringing all the young players up to speed quickly at the end of the year.

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I see there was a thread on twitter about our WRs not knowing what theyre doing. 

I have said for a few years now that our offense is not one that WRs can pick up and contribute right away in.

This offseason I said that was something that needs to change because we were going to need to add a few WRs, and we will need them to produce. Every other team that drafted a WR seemed to get instant production, even from ones who were said to be super raw. There is no reason we shouldnt be able to do the same. 

Andy had one WR coach.  Chip had one WR coach.  Doug has had 5 in 5 seasons.  It's becoming worse than Murphy Brown's secretaries.

1999-12: David Culley
2013-15: Bob Bicknell 
2016: Greg Lewis
2017: Mike Groh 
2018: Gunter Brewer 
2019: Carson Walch
2020: Aaron Moorehead

4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I see there was a thread on twitter about our WRs not knowing what theyre doing. 

I have said for a few years now that our offense is not one that WRs can pick up and contribute right away in.

This offseason I said that was something that needs to change because we were going to need to add a few WRs, and we will need them to produce. Every other team that drafted a WR seemed to get instant production, even from ones who were said to be super raw. There is no reason we shouldnt be able to do the same. 

Agreed.  20,000' view...if the Seahawks and Saints can say that they knew what was coming and our WRs don't, then we are doing something wrong.

They had personnel problems last year, not just adjustment or coaching problems.  But they could not have had a more predictable offense.  If we have an exceedingly complex offense that involves having all 5 move-able targets existing around the LOS for shallow routes short of the sticks, then again, we are doing something wrong.

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Andy had one WR coach.  Chip had one WR coach.  Doug has had 5 in 5 seasons.  It's becoming worse than Murphy Brown's secretaries.

1999-12: David Culley
2013-15: Bob Bicknell 
2016: Greg Lewis
2017: Mike Groh 
2018: Gunter Brewer 
2019: Carson Walch
2020: Aaron Moorehead

the other sad thing is that Culley sucked. 

8 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Really?  Produced? 

Other than Ward, which practice squad WR produced?  Remember, Scott is a RB and Perkins is a TE.

I wouldn't argue that he produced, but Perkins is a TE who lined up and was utilized out of position as a WR.

Just now, Connecticut Eagle said:

Andy had one WR coach.  Chip had one WR coach.  Doug has had 5 in 5 seasons.  It's becoming worse than Murphy Brown's secretaries.

1999-12: David Culley
2013-15: Bob Bicknell 
2016: Greg Lewis
2017: Mike Groh 
2018: Gunter Brewer 
2019: Carson Walch
2020: Aaron Moorehead

They never should’ve promoted groh. He was actually good as WR coach. He wasn’t worthy of getting the promotion he got after one year as WR coach Here. Not only did it hurt the WR position by not having good coaches the next two years it also hurt us as he wasn’t a very good OC

Interestingly, the Eagles are tied for 10th. Misses on Marcus Smith & Danny Watkins.
Fits the narrative that we're an average-ish drafting team. 

 

wow Enunwa still not back. He already missed last season. 

5 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

I wasn't referencing WRs alone. 

My point is that they knew where to line up without a problem. Doug praised the coaches for doing such a good job with bringing all the good players up to speed quickly at the end of the year.

Fair.  But up to what speed?

We weren't running the entire playbook.  Against WAS they ran the same play twice at the goal line, with Carson finding Ertz then Ward for TDs.

Also, Ward has seen the playbook for three seasons.  Just because he was on the PS, didn't mean he was unfamiliar with the offence.

I hold JJAW accountable for not playing well.  But the revolving door at WR coach cannot be ignored.