11 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Ward sold the out move and had a couple of nice cuts  

Come on, Ward is a bum he didn't do anything right. He got lucky isn't that what the message has been about him lately?

2 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Don't know about anyone else but this looks like a bit of fun...

Imagine this. 

 

Doug’s alma mater there.  Bet he has talked with the coach there a bit.

57 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

New tab at the top of the page on the EMB. The "Store" tab is the new permanent spot to find our affiliate links. VA got amazon, and rakuten up there now too, and Dick's sporting goods is pending. He is asking if anyone has any other suggestions. 

@VaBeach_EagleWalmart and Target, if they have such a program. They are leading the way of the box retailers online.

10 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Come on, Ward is a bum he didn't do anything right. He got lucky isn't that what the message has been about him lately?

I think I’ve acknowledged several times he didn’t screw it up, which made him better than Agholor (although only a little more efficient).

17 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Comparing numbers to a one-legged and probably washed Alshon and a clearly mentally washed Nelson Agholor isn’t a strong defense for Ward, who made his hay being ignored by defenses or covered by linebackers in the flat.

If you take away one blown coverage against Dallas, his yards per target is the same as Agholor’s and the yards per catch is 1.3 yards less, and this was with Agholor hitting rock bottom again. 

Actually, by the time Ward was playing, he wasn’t being ignored and considering how many games Ward was in where the Eagles were behind, he performed pretty nicely in the pack with the others. I like Ward but I said many times, we can improve.  I think he is a solid back up WR.  Probably a really nice #4. 
 

But my point wasn’t to defend Ward but rather to look at why all the average YPC was so bad last year.  It wasn’t just a lack of speed.  I think Doug’s offseason moves and probably some we haven’t seen, prove that. Same with Howie. But Carson needs to take a step forward too.  He started way too slow last year in games.  Some of that may have been playcalling, some of it route running but some of that is on Carson too.

8 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Actually, by the time Ward was playing, he wasn’t being ignored and considering how many games Ward was in where the Eagles were behind, he performed pretty nicely in the pack with the others. I like Ward but I said many times, we can improve.  I think he is a solid back up WR.  Probably a really nice #4. 
 

But my point wasn’t to defend Ward but rather to look at why all the average YPC was so bad last year.  It wasn’t just a lack of speed.  I think Doug’s offseason moves and probably some we haven’t seen, prove that. Same with Howie. But Carson needs to take a step forward too.  He started way too slow last year in games.  Some of that may have been playcalling, some of it route running but some of that is on Carson too.

DeSean obviously took the air out of the offense, but Alshon getting hurt and Agholor falling apart mentally only added to the crippled offense. 

Alshon’s strength isn’t down the field. Him not being able to run exacerbated it. Agholor could get open deep but often dropped it or failed to track it. DeSean going out doesn’t need any further explanation. 

That left two tight ends and nothing else. Ward isn’t a seam splitter. JJAW was a mess. Davis, Burnett and Gibson each made one play downfield, although Davis’ was called back by a hold. 

Doug had to play to strengths of his players and he did it. Unfortunately it was painstakingly slow and methodical. 

If I had one gripe, it would have been the lack of seam routes to Goedert, or just splitting him out wide and letting him use his size against a DB or his athleticism against a LB. He nearly had a spectacular TD Week 1 his rookie year vs Atlanta but I feel like we haven’t seen it since. 

3 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Don't know about anyone else but this looks like a bit of fun...

Imagine this. 

 

I don't like the idea of taking the ball out of Carson's hands, but that does look pretty Fing awesome.

26 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

That left two tight ends and nothing else.

If I had one gripe, it would have been the lack of seam routes to Goedert, or just splitting him out wide and letting him use his size against a DB or his athleticism against a LB. He nearly had a spectacular TD Week 1 his rookie year vs Atlanta but I feel like we haven’t seen it since. 

I remember one play where they did split Goedert out wide.  May have been against the cowpads.  A LB jammed him at the line and slowed down his route.  Carson threw it to where Goedert was supposed to be on a timing route.  Result was an uncatchable overthrow.   I thought that the Eagles called way too many timing routes especially early in games.  That does not seem to be a strength for Carson.  It is also susceptible to press.  Sure, Doug, they look great against the Eagles but when was the last time you saw an Eagles DB successfully jam a WR at the line.  Heck, when was the last time you saw an Eagles DB at the LOS?

3 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Don't know about anyone else but this looks like a bit of fun...

Imagine this. 

 

Both of these guys are just drop back passers, though.  Unless one of them can run and/or catch (or pass protect) it looks to me like they’re a player short in actuality.

It wouldn’t take a defense very long at all to adjust to this package.

3 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Don't know about anyone else but this looks like a bit of fun...

Imagine this. 

 

Now imagine a power run threat that can pass it deep on either side and make some reads.

 

 Our rookies on defense are going to be great trash talkers  hopefully they can also play.

 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

I think I’ve acknowledged several times he didn’t screw it up, which made him better than Agholor (although only a little more efficient).

wasn't calling you out specifically, you've done a good job explaining your thoughts on him.  However others just claim he isn't good with no reason.  I'm a Ward backer and will be until he is beaten out in camp, if that happens.  I'm hopeful he is a poor man's Crowder since I compared the two earlier.

Silver had access to the Jags’ draft "room” during round 1. 

They were set on Henderson or Chiasson at 9. At 20, they talked to Minnesota about moving down to 22 but thought the Eagles were interested in Jefferson and Chiasson. Minnesota though decided against moving up.  

https://amp.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001110981/article/inside-jacksonvilles-draft-how-jags-got-their-guys-in-round-1?networkId=4595&site=.news&zone=story&zoneUrl=url%3dstory&zoneKeys=s1%3dstory&env=&pageKeyValues=prtnr%3danalysis%3bteam%3datl%3bteam%3dmia%3bteam%3dhou%3bteam%3dind%3bteam%3djax%3bteam%3dden%3bteam%3dchi%3bteam%3dphi%3bteam%3dmin%3bteam%3dsea%3bteam%3ddal%3bconf%3dnfc%3bconf%3dafc%3bdvsn%3dncs%3bdvsn%3dace%3bdvsn%3dacs%3bdvsn%3dacw%3bdvsn%3dncn%3bdvsn%3dnce%3bdvsn%3dncw%3bplyr%3dcalais_campbell%3bplyr%3dnicholas_foles%3bplyr%3djalen_ramsey&p.ct=Analysis&p.adsm=false&p.tcm=%23000&p.bgc1m=%23EAEAEA&sr=amp&__twitter_impression=true

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Silver had access to the Jags’ draft "room” during round 1. 

They were set on Henderson or Chiasson at 9. At 20, they talked to Minnesota about moving down to 22 but thought the Eagles were interested in Jefferson and Chiasson. Minnesota though decided against moving up.  

https://amp.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001110981/article/inside-jacksonvilles-draft-how-jags-got-their-guys-in-round-1?networkId=4595&site=.news&zone=story&zoneUrl=url%3dstory&zoneKeys=s1%3dstory&env=&pageKeyValues=prtnr%3danalysis%3bteam%3datl%3bteam%3dmia%3bteam%3dhou%3bteam%3dind%3bteam%3djax%3bteam%3dden%3bteam%3dchi%3bteam%3dphi%3bteam%3dmin%3bteam%3dsea%3bteam%3ddal%3bconf%3dnfc%3bconf%3dafc%3bdvsn%3dncs%3bdvsn%3dace%3bdvsn%3dacs%3bdvsn%3dacw%3bdvsn%3dncn%3bdvsn%3dnce%3bdvsn%3dncw%3bplyr%3dcalais_campbell%3bplyr%3dnicholas_foles%3bplyr%3djalen_ramsey&p.ct=Analysis&p.adsm=false&p.tcm=%23000&p.bgc1m=%23EAEAEA&sr=amp&__twitter_impression=true

If the Eagles took Chiasson in round 1 I wonder if they still would have taken Hurts over a guy like Mims in round 2.  They say he was their guy all along but not getting a WR in round 1 or 2 would have been a disaster with the way they went off the board.

For this 2 QB concept to work, Hurts needs to be a serious NFL level threat as a RB/WR.  If they just stand next to each other, then...functionally....someone from the pocket is going to be throwing the football while the other is a wash on the play.  That chaos may fool a college defense, but the NFL will see through it.

If Hurts is actually going to pick up the blitz, hit a hole between the tackles, or motion out wide and run a route....or throw a pass...then it could conceivably cause some problems.  Hurts needs to be both willing and capable of that.  That 4.59 and athleticism may be great for a QB, but if he's going to be a weapon with Wentz under center, he's got to prove he has the speed and athleticism for it.

Not to mention...if Hurts is to be the Wentz insurance and a groom&trade candidate, let's not forget that QB is the most difficult position to learn in the NFL.  And he's raw.  Are we going to teach him to be a real qb who reads defenses...and to pick up the blitz in the backfield like a RB, to run a route, take handoffs and hit the hole?

Taysom Hill throws about 5 passes per year.  His early NFL coaching/learning hasn't been at the QB position; it's for all these other gimmicks.

We hear that JJAW was overloaded simply learning X and Z.  What the heck do you think they'd risk with Hurts?

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

I remember one play where they did split Goedert out wide.  May have been against the cowpads.  A LB jammed him at the line and slowed down his route.  Carson threw it to where Goedert was supposed to be on a timing route.  Result was an uncatchable overthrow.   I thought that the Eagles called way too many timing routes especially early in games.  That does not seem to be a strength for Carson.  It is also susceptible to press.  Sure, Doug, they look great against the Eagles but when was the last time you saw an Eagles DB successfully jam a WR at the line.  Heck, when was the last time you saw an Eagles DB at the LOS?

When every target on the offense is 6'2"-6'5", 220-250, and runs a 4.5-4.76, timing routes are pretty much your only option.

 

18 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

If Hurts is actually going to pick up the blitz, hit a hole between the tackles, or motion out wide and run a route....or throw a pass...then it could conceivably cause some problems.  Hurts needs to be both willing and capable of that.  That 4.59 and athleticism may be great for a QB, but if he's going to be a weapon with Wentz under center, he's got to prove he has the speed and athleticism for it.

Not to mention...if Hurts is to be the Wentz insurance and a groom&trade candidate, let's not forget that QB is the most difficult position to learn in the NFL.  And he's raw.  Are we going to teach him to be a real qb who reads defenses...and to pick up the blitz in the backfield like a RB, to run a route, take handoffs and hit the hole?

This is why we won't be a 2QB offense outside of maybe 5 plays a game. To run it, you basically need 2-3 players like Hurts. If Sudfeld were more ahtletic, we could do it. Tate is on the roster, but we just moved him to WR.

7 minutes ago, RLC said:

This is why we won't be a 2QB offense outside of maybe 5 plays a game. To run it, you basically need 2-3 players like Hurts. If Sudfeld were more ahtletic, we could do it. Tate is on the roster, but we just moved him to WR.

Greg Ward!

38 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

For this 2 QB concept to work, Hurts needs to be a serious NFL level threat as a RB/WR.  If they just stand next to each other, then...functionally....someone from the pocket is going to be throwing the football while the other is a wash on the play.  That chaos may fool a college defense, but the NFL will see through it.

If Hurts is actually going to pick up the blitz, hit a hole between the tackles, or motion out wide and run a route....or throw a pass...then it could conceivably cause some problems.  Hurts needs to be both willing and capable of that.  That 4.59 and athleticism may be great for a QB, but if he's going to be a weapon with Wentz under center, he's got to prove he has the speed and athleticism for it.

Not to mention...if Hurts is to be the Wentz insurance and a groom&trade candidate, let's not forget that QB is the most difficult position to learn in the NFL.  And he's raw.  Are we going to teach him to be a real qb who reads defenses...and to pick up the blitz in the backfield like a RB, to run a route, take handoffs and hit the hole?

Taysom Hill throws about 5 passes per year.  His early NFL coaching/learning hasn't been at the QB position; it's for all these other gimmicks.

We hear that JJAW was overloaded simply learning X and Z.  What the heck do you think they'd risk with Hurts?

The reason why I dislike the Taysom Hill argument with hurts is because you had Greg ward on the team last year and ran one trick/gadget play when he was called up. Ward learn the wide receiver position and played quarterback In college so there was a guy on the team that could run some of that taysom hill stuff (maybe not the power stuff but some of the gadget stuff they do run with hill) and give you an instant spark or some juice. And we could have used it at times last year. Perfect example, Seahawks playoff game we kept getting into the red zone and not able to do anything. Why didn’t we at least try to do something gadget wise with him?

ward knows how to play WR so teams would be on their toes about whether he throws, runs as a Qb out of a wildcat or can move him in motion as a wr and catch them off guard with misdirection. Yet we saw next to none of outside of one maybe 2 times when he got called up. I get new coaching staff so new ideas but really Taylor has been talking about this for a while. I don’t think this is a new concept to howie and Doug. They just didn’t get that creative and use something i feel could’ve been effective.  

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The reason why I dislike the Taysom Hill argument with hurts is because you had Greg ward on the team last year and ran one trick/gadget play when he was called up. Ward learn the wide receiver position and played quarterback In college so there was a guy on the team that could run some of that taysom hill stuff (maybe not the power stuff but some of the gadget stuff they do run with hill) and give you an instant spark or some juice. And we could have used it at times last year. Perfect example, Seahawks playoff game we kept getting into the red zone and not able to do anything. Why didn’t we at least try to do something gadget wise with him?

ward knows how to play WR so teams would be on their toes about whether he throws, runs as a Qb out of a wildcat or can move him in motion as a wr and catch them off guard with misdirection. Yet we saw next to none of outside of one maybe 2 times when he got called up. I get new coaching staff so new ideas but really Taylor has been talking about this for a while. I don’t think this is a new concept to howie and Doug. They just didn’t get that creative and use something i feel could’ve been effective.  

Nothing would surprise me.  The Eagles have been unpredictable, irrational, brilliant, innovative, short-sighted, right, wrong, and everything in between.  

But the Taysom Hill argument does seem so very irrational.  You need to crawl before you can run.  I don't think a team with street FA TE's and WRs playing WR would be investing a 2nd round pick in scratching their Taysom Hill itch when they need 3 WRs.  And as you said, I don't think a team so desperate for weapons and forward movement as they were in 2019, with anything resembling this Taysom Hill interest, wouldn't have tried something with Ward late in the year.  Doug is the head of the brain trust and Press Taylor has publicly said more about this than anyone...both of them were here last year.  So this isn't some new wild idea from one of their recent hires.

Greg Ward was a finished product for that role.  He had 4 years in college, 3 years of starting experience as a QB...he can make one read and throw the ball.  And he already learned all the routes as a WR, has taken handoffs, and is more than willing to sacrifice his body.  Those are all things that will take a lot of time and work with Hurts.  If they never even experimented with Ward, I can't imagine they are so hot on carving out this role for Hurts.

Hurts may be 10x the QB that Greg Ward is, but Ward has 3 years of practicing, coaching, and refinement in running routes, catching the football, carrying it like a non-qb, etc.  Taysom Hill throws 5 passes per year...he's mostly a weapon, not a qb.  Hurts may not even be the best player on this team for that role in 2020.

3 hours ago, schuy7 said:

For sure, but I think you have to leave it up to them to make their own decision.

Exactly. There's no way my family is going to allow my 88-year old father go to games this year if this hasn't calmed down by then. But that will be our decision, not something that the Eagles will dictate to us.

I remember feeling bad for Vick when AR would drag him out onto the field for gimmicky plays.  He was so humbled, so eager to do what was asked of him...he would completely give up his head and his body for an extra yard (will Hurts do that?)  He wasn't very effective either.  When teams saw him in the shotgun, they knew what was happening.  He ran for <100 yards that year and had 2 rushing TDs.

Of note, late in the year, when Mcnabb was really falling apart, Vick stepped in and uncorked a 40-50 yard beautiful TD bomb.  It was just an old-fashioned great QB play.  Made the right read, threw a great pass.  It wasn't from 2 QB's on the field.

But that Mcnabb/Vick interplay added nothing to the offense.  The Flacco/Jackson interplay added nothing.  It's no coincidence that both resulted in the incumbent being unseated and unloaded one year later as their respective offenses embraced a more mobile QB.

Brees/Hill have more longevity.  Even there, some Saints fans will argue that Hill's usage is an unnecessary alternative to having a HOF QB throw to elite targets.

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I remember feeling bad for Vick when AR would drag him out onto the field for gimmicky plays.  He was so humbled, so eager to do what was asked of him...he would completely give up his head and his body for an extra yard (will Hurts do that?)  He wasn't very effective either.  When teams saw him in the shotgun, they knew what was happening.  He ran for <100 yards that year and had 2 rushing TDs.

Of note, late in the year, when Mcnabb was really falling apart, Vick stepped in and uncorked a 40-50 yard beautiful TD bomb.  It was just an old-fashioned great QB play.  Made the right read, threw a great pass.  It wasn't from 2 QB's on the field.

But that Mcnabb/Vick interplay added nothing to the offense.  The Flacco/Jackson interplay added nothing.  It's no coincidence that both resulted in the incumbent being unseated and unloaded one year later as their respective offenses embraced a more mobile QB.

Brees/Hill have more longevity.  Even there, some Saints fans will argue that Hill's usage is an unnecessary alternative to having a HOF QB throw to elite targets.

The common denominator to both of those teams was Mornhingweg, who is coincidentally on the staff now. Wentz is the best red zone QB in the league. The offense is at a disadvantage when the ball isn't in his hands there. 

They'll use Hurts this year just to justify spending a second on him, but he wasn't taken for some Vick/Jackson/Hill role. He was taken as insurance in case Wentz gets injured or to flip for a pick several years down the road. Or if they want to play hardball with Wentz on his next contract. 

3 hours ago, schuy7 said:

Definitely not. That would be a bad look.

The CDC and gov't need to make this call.  They can't rely on NFL franchises to do the right thing, let alone even know what the right thing is.  

The real problem is that this has become a political issue.  There is a lobby to open it all up and a lobby to keep everything shut down.  We are weighing lives against an economic doomsday, which would also cost lives.  No one knows the right decision, understandably (despite many claiming to), and no one wants to be caught on the wrong side of history with this.  So there seems to be this sense of, be careful, but make your own decisions so we don't have to.

If we are going to have individual teams drawing up policies on how to handle this, then we are just making it up as we go.