2 hours ago, WentzFan11 said:

 

 Our rookies on defense are going to be great trash talkers  hopefully they can also play.

 

gotto be humble now, youre playing with grown a** men

3 minutes ago, DoWorx said:

gotto be humble now, youre playing with grown a** men

Yeah, this really doesn't do much for me. Trash talking some kid at East Carolina versus Russell Wilson is a huge difference. If you can't play, none of that matters. 

Hilarious. I literally didn’t even recognize him.

 

2 hours ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

The common denominator to both of those teams was Mornhingweg, who is coincidentally on the staff now. Wentz is the best red zone QB in the league. The offense is at a disadvantage when the ball isn't in his hands there. 

They'll use Hurts this year just to justify spending a second on him, but he wasn't taken for some Vick/Jackson/Hill role. He was taken as insurance in case Wentz gets injured or to flip for a pick several years down the road. Or if they want to play hardball with Wentz on his next contract. 

I don’t see the Eagles playing hardball with Wentz on a contract regardless of what transpires over the next 2-3 seasons.  Howie locked him up quickly at $32M per season and he will do so again with his next contract, if Wentz’s performance continues to dictate it.

Hurts will get 5-6 snaps per game IMO, mostly lined up in the backfield beside Wentz.  He’ll get the ball pitched to him and have some RPO packages where he can run to break contain or make a safe throw.  Doug will build progressions based on these packages, but it doesn’t make sense to have Hurts on the field a whole lot, other than a change of pace or to spell Miles Sanders.  The Eagles will run some misdirection plays where the ball gets faked to Hurts to see what it opens up, and hit plays behind it.

Yes, he is insurance for Wentz in the same way Foles was, but he will be vastly different than Taysom Hill.  Hill is more a ST guy and pass catcher — but never anything more than a #3 gadget QB.  Teddy Bridgewater was the QB the Saints leaned on when they needed a QB.  Hurts will be the #2 by mid-season if not sooner and will carry much more responsibility in the Eagles offense if needed.

Pretty good stat for Sydney Jones. Didn’t feel like it first half of the season, but that probably has more to do with injuries. 
 

I know his career has been disappointing but I feel he deserves a real opportunity to start as CB2 across from Slay. We need to see what he can really do with a full offseason there. That’s his natural position where he excelled in college. The last 2 offseason he’s been shuffled back and forth and I think some consistency would really do him good.
 

That would also allow us to have Maddox compete with NBC for nickel where I think he has played best. If both Jones and Maddox do well we will be set at corner a long time. 

 

 

2 hours ago, wtfcares said:

Pretty good stat for Sydney Jones. Didn’t feel like it first half of the season, but that probably has more to do with injuries. 
 

I know his career has been disappointing but I feel he deserves a real opportunity to start as CB2 across from Slay. We need to see what he can really do with a full offseason there. That’s his natural position where he excelled in college. The last 2 offseason he’s been shuffled back and forth and I think some consistency would really do him good.
 

That would also allow us to have Maddox compete with NBC for nickel where I think he has played best. If both Jones and Maddox do well we will be set at corner a long time. 

I have never been a fan of the Jones pick. I disliked him in college, and got flamed quite a bit when I said fully healthy he is a second round talent at best..

And to think what happened here: Our HC, the "players coach", the guy the locker room loves.. For DP to come out in a PC and talk about the toughness and competitiveness of Jones. That's big. How rare! There is no doubt, Jones got put in the dog house and I don't remember ANY player that got that kind of public shaming like he did from our HC, ever. I wonder how that went under the radar like it did, but that was quite a mess. 

Now, nobody can deny though that at the end of last season, after what was a terrible series of injuries, rehab and big time fails really - Jones played really good!

So, despite us drafting him too high. Despite his attitude that got him unprecedented heat from not only DP. Despite him always hurt.

He might still turn out a really decent CB2. Now, with all that happening, all the criticism and pain: I can see him thrive in a system where the best WR is already taken care of.

 

Oh, and about Maddox: Really liked him in the slot, but whenever we got LeBlanc out there he has been excellent too! So maybe keep moving Maddox wherever he is needed.

3 hours ago, PhillyEagles852 said:

Hilarious. I literally didn’t even recognize him.

 

Oh god, he looks like he starred in a 70s Star Wars Movie! 😁

42 minutes ago, Infam said:

I have never been a fan of the Jones pick. I disliked him in college, and got flamed quite a bit when I said fully healthy he is a second round talent at best..

And to think what happened here: Our HC, the "players coach", the guy the locker room loves.. For DP to come out in a PC and talk about the toughness and competitiveness of Jones. That's big. How rare! There is no doubt, Jones got put in the dog house and I don't remember ANY player that got that kind of public shaming like he did from our HC, ever. I wonder how that went under the radar like it did, but that was quite a mess. 

Now, nobody can deny though that at the end of last season, after what was a terrible series of injuries, rehab and big time fails really - Jones played really good!

So, despite us drafting him too high. Despite his attitude that got him unprecedented heat from not only DP. Despite him always hurt.

He might still turn out a really decent CB2. Now, with all that happening, all the criticism and pain: I can see him thrive in a system where the best WR is already taken care of.

 

Oh, and about Maddox: Really liked him in the slot, but whenever we got LeBlanc out there he has been excellent too! So maybe keep moving Maddox wherever he is needed.

I also remember saying I don't like the way he playas the run.  I was assured his physicality is one of his best traits. 

I ajayi remember saying hee won't be back to himself for ar least 3 years if ever sho a 2nd found pick was too early to take him. 

I have no confidence in him.  I'm hoping that Trevor William's can be healthy and be our #2.

2 hours ago, schuy7 said:

 

 

 

3 hours ago, schuy7 said:

 

 

As big a scumbag as he is, if the price is right, then the price is right.

5 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

I don’t see the Eagles playing hardball with Wentz on a contract regardless of what transpires over the next 2-3 seasons.  Howie locked him up quickly at $32M per season and he will do so again with his next contract, if Wentz’s performance continues to dictate it.

If Wentz is unavailable for as many playoff games over the next 2-3 seasons as he has been for the last 3, they aren’t paying him $32m per season.  So I wouldn’t necessarily say if his performance continues to dictate it.

This is the reason they drafted Hurts.

2 hours ago, Infam said:

Oh god, he looks like he starred in a 70s Star Wars Movie! 😁

What an odd phrase...  There was just the 1.

 

31 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

As big a scumbag as he is, if the price is right, then the price is right.

If Wentz's comment about the hit was honest, it's fair to say there's little to no hesitation from the FO.

I could see Howie doing to this just to change the conversation (and because it would make sense, assuming the price is right).

10 minutes ago, Green Dog said:

What an odd phrase...  There was just the 1.

 

If Wentz's comment about the hit was honest, it's fair to say there's little to no hesitation from the FO.

I could see Howie doing to this just to change the conversation (and because it would make sense, assuming the price is right).

What did Wentz say about the hit?

I don't think Clowney makes sense, but nothing would surprise me anymore.

We always hear that Schwartz's defense emphasizes contain and run D from the ends, holding them back from racking up stats.  I always thought that was a BS cover for marginal edge rushers, but if we consider it for a second...why would Clowney want to come here on a 1-year prove it deal?  4-6 sacks next year and he's not getting much of a big deal at all for 2021.

And I'd be shocked if we could, or should, afford him for a long-term deal right now.

4 hours ago, schuy7 said:

 

 

A million times NO.  F this guy.  Overrated, overpaid, and a scumbag.  Please let the Giants sign him to a mega deal...

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I don't think Clowney makes sense, but nothing would surprise me anymore.

We always hear that Schwartz's defense emphasizes contain and run D from the ends, holding them back from racking up stats.  I always thought that was a BS cover for marginal edge rushers, but if we consider it for a second...why would Clowney want to come here on a 1-year prove it deal?  4-6 sacks next year and he's not getting much of a big deal at all for 2021.

And I'd be shocked if we could, or should, afford him for a long-term deal right now.

I think Clowney makes some sense in terms of DE is a position of need both this year and long term and if it's a significantly cheaper contract that he was looking for before. I don't love it, I don't think it's a great move but I will say if it happens I'd be excited. Why? Because he's flashed and he is capable. I think he is a scumbag but hey if he is here, if Wentz is OK with it and the players are OK with it then he adds play making ability to an important position. He's inconsistent sure, he's done and said questionable things but he's flashed and there is talent there. Add him to the mix with Barnett and BG? On a team friendly deal then OK.

10 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I think Clowney makes some sense in terms of DE is a position of need both this year and long term and if it's a significantly cheaper contract that he was looking for before. I don't love it, I don't think it's a great move but I will say if it happens I'd be excited. Why? Because he's flashed and he is capable. I think he is a scumbag but hey if he is here, if Wentz is OK with it and the players are OK with it then he adds play making ability to an important position. He's inconsistent sure, he's done and said questionable things but he's flashed and there is talent there. Add him to the mix with Barnett and BG? On a team friendly deal then OK.

He wants like $20M per season right?

Maybe on a 1 year deal it makes sense. Essentially trade $20M in cap space for 1 year of a good DE and a third round comp pick?

Not a fan of clowney, i think hes overrated. Hes got a ton of athletic ability but doesnt always play to it and i dont like him as a person. I think hed be a bad fit in the locker room the guy seems like a D

Just say no to Clowney. Hope he goes to the Titans so we can avoid him.

9 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The reason why I dislike the Taysom Hill argument with hurts is because you had Greg ward on the team last year and ran one trick/gadget play when he was called up. Ward learn the wide receiver position and played quarterback In college so there was a guy on the team that could run some of that taysom hill stuff (maybe not the power stuff but some of the gadget stuff they do run with hill) and give you an instant spark or some juice. And we could have used it at times last year. Perfect example, Seahawks playoff game we kept getting into the red zone and not able to do anything. Why didn’t we at least try to do something gadget wise with him?

ward knows how to play WR so teams would be on their toes about whether he throws, runs as a Qb out of a wildcat or can move him in motion as a wr and catch them off guard with misdirection. Yet we saw next to none of outside of one maybe 2 times when he got called up. I get new coaching staff so new ideas but really Taylor has been talking about this for a while. I don’t think this is a new concept to howie and Doug. They just didn’t get that creative and use something i feel could’ve been effective.  

Couple of issues might have impacted this.  A huge reason that Ward immediately switched to WR in the NFL is his size.  He is 5’ 11” and 190.  Hurts has two inches but more importantly 30 pounds on Ward.   Further Hurts will be practicing to throw the ball. Don’t imagine Greg has done much of that since college.  

19 minutes ago, TEW said:

He wants like $20M per season right?

Maybe on a 1 year deal it makes sense. Essentially trade $20M in cap space for 1 year of a good DE and a third round comp pick?

He wanted $20M per year, doesn't look like he's going to get anywhere near that though. And yeah 1 year deal, if it works out look to extend if it doesn't then he likely gets a good deal somewhere else and we get a comp pick.

12 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Couple of issues might have impacted this.  A huge reason that Ward immediately switched to WR in the NFL is his size.  He is 5’ 11” and 190.  Hurts has two inches but more importantly 30 pounds on Ward.   Further Hurts will be practicing to throw the ball. Don’t imagine Greg has done much of that since college.  

I still think there’s plays to be run with Ward even at his size. You can run some gadget plays. Doesn’t need to be power gadget plays just cause you use him in that way. Not everything Taysom Hill runs is power gadget due to his size. You can get ward out on the perimeter or run a jet sweep where he comes across gets it and then either runs it or throws it with a WR running down field on the same side of the field (it’s a play the niners ran with Deebo Samuel and had success multiple times). The eagles ran a play someone posted On the blog a couple days ago from last year with Ward as the wildcat Qb and he ran it got 4-5 yards on it. It wasn’t a strict power up the middle run. So they still could have utilized that more but they only did it that one particular time  

i get he hasn’t thrown it much since college but you can have him practice throwing it after practice. And I’m imagining you don’t have to have him throwing it all the time. If Hill throws it 5 times a year I don’t see him getting significant reps in practice doing so especially as he was the 3rd QB behind Brees and Bridegwater. To me the fact hurts is not going to have OTAs or minicamps and they are going to install some of those gadget plays in what could be an accelerated TC would seem to be a flaw in all this similar to saying ward hasn’t throw a ton since college. 

i still believe the eagles could’ve used Ward much more in those situations Even if he’s smaller. They’re ways. Just saying last time Burton threw passes was senior year of college and he did it in the Sb on the biggest stage. 

5 hours ago, schuy7 said:

 

 

Eagles to Clowney’s agent: Would Clowney be willing to come in and platoon for the vet minimum.  He already plays part time so it would be a good fit.

Agent:  No, he wants to be the highest paid DE and a starter.

Eagles:  But he takes plays off on the field so the only difference is he would be off the field.

Agent:  Clowney wants to decide when he will play?  Being off the field when he does that suggests he is not a full time starter and that will hurt him on his next contract.

Eagles:  Teams aren’t exactly standing up to meet his demands.  How about incentives based on actually playing when on the field?

Agent:  He wants the money regardless, no incentives like that.

Eagles: Good talk. 

17 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Could add Bryce treggs to the names on that list. He’s also out of the league. He got a raw deal as at least give him better players and if he failed then so be it. Felt like he was a scapegoat for just having porous talent at WR. Only agholor is a nfl wr and really he’s not really good and hasn’t been in 3 of 5 seasons.  And in those two years he was competent i wouldn’t call him good. 

Good point.  Although I think Agholor was "good” for about 2 seasons.  He really seemed to have turned the corner there for a while then for whatever reason (I think it had to do with him being in his own head) he regressed.