15 minutes ago, downundermike said:

He is not going to sign a one year prove it deal

What else does he have going on right now?

3 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

It would be chaotic and you would see players getting released but owners are going to lose money this season and they are going to want to save money going into 2021.  The mechanism to do that is through the salary cap.  They aren't going to have as much incentive to negotiate on it as you think.  

We'll see but I highly doubt a swing that significant is going to actually occur. You would see tons of early retirements. And then what do the Chiefs do who are bottom 5 in cap space? Take the 5th year option off Mahomes? What about high priced 2021 FA's? Are they going to take one year at minimum or sit out the year in hopes of a better deal in 2022. We already see players holding out on seasons now when they are unhappy with the tag, it's unrealistic to expect them to play for nothing just cause. 

Wtf Witten is on the raiders? Lol random 

thought that guy bled blue

Just now, Br3 said:

Wtf Witten is on the raiders? Lol random 

Are you just finding out there's a pandemic?

1 minute ago, greend said:

What else does he have going on right now?

We don't know what offers are on the table for him.  Maybe something not quite good enough for him to sign... maybe nothing at all.

From the OTC article about the 2021 cap

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The higher number would result in about 14 teams projecting to be over the salary cap in 2021 and that doesn’t include rookies from this year since none are signed yet, so probably half the NFL. The big number would see all but four teams over the cap and really is not even workable.

Now the way that clause is written in the CBA it sounds as if the entire loss would be reflected the following year but I would imagine there has to be some wiggle room for a side negotiation to find a way to basically borrow from future salary caps to prevent teams from cutting most of their roster. Owners would probably hold more of the cards in this situation since they are the ones taking the massive hit and can start cutting players.

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The thing is the owners will have an idea by mid summer as to how dire the situation is and what their legal options are with these contracts. There should be a way to avoid this and make everyone make the best of a bad situation but if they don’t negotiate it early there are going to be some players whose fate is simply going to be a byproduct of the projected revenue loss and concerns for 2021.

https://overthecap.com/what-could-happen-to-the-salary-cap-in-2021/

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

There is a bit of a difference... the main one being that Dalton has always choked in the playoffs.

 

1 TD, 6 INTs in 4 playoff games.  The Bengals never scored more than 13 points in a single playoff game.  Most of the time, just 10 points.  And... hasn't been in a playoff game since 2014.  (Bengals made the playoffs in 2015, but he missed the game.)   And the Bengals haven't had a winning record since... 

But aside from that, he’s been pretty good. 

11 minutes ago, Br3 said:

Wtf Witten is on the raiders? Lol random 

thought that guy bled blue

Perfect end to his career. Chucky face

11 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

We don't know what offers are on the table for him.  Maybe something not quite good enough for him to sign... maybe nothing at all.

I'm going with this.

 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

We'll see but I highly doubt a swing that significant is going to actually occur. You would see tons of early retirements. And then what do the Chiefs do who are bottom 5 in cap space? Take the 5th year option off Mahomes? What about high priced 2021 FA's? Are they going to take one year at minimum or sit out the year in hopes of a better deal in 2022. We already see players holding out on seasons now when they are unhappy with the tag, it's unrealistic to expect them to play for nothing just cause. 

I think it would be chaotic but players are going to have to take pay cuts.  Some may retire early but I no star is going to hold out or retire rather than earn money.  It's not like there is some other league to play in or endorsement deals that will pay them the same.  

3 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yet there is always controversy swirling around him, due to no fault of his own.  It just seems like we can't have nice things in Philadelphia, at least not at the QB position.  

Well the idiot media asked the first four or five questions about Hurts instead of Reagor and the other new WRs. Do they really think we want to read that crap?  

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

From the OTC article about the 2021 cap

https://overthecap.com/what-could-happen-to-the-salary-cap-in-2021/

There are all kinds of possibilities but the owners have the leverage to recoup losses in 2021 based on losses sustained in 2020.  I don't know that a majority of the owners will want to renegotiate the cap if the losses are significant.  If a majority of the owners don't want to negotiate some deal then the CBA dictates the 2021 cap.  Individual contracts may allow for teams to restructure deals to reduce the cap hits in 2021. I still think players will be cut and FA long term deals will be scarce.   

4 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think it would be chaotic but players are going to have to take pay cuts.  Some may retire early but I no star is going to hold out or retire rather than earn money.  It's not like there is some other league to play in or endorsement deals that will pay them the same.  

Hard disagree. Le'Veon Bell and Trent Williams just held out recently and would have each made over $10M. Melvin Gordon gave up like $5M to sit out half the year. Tell guys like that who have already made some money to play at $2-$3M, it won't happen. Some younger guys who never had a big payday, maybe. But established guys who were smart with money have no reason to play for peanuts and risk their long term health, especially if there is a potential bounce back in 2022. If Dak plays on the tag and makes $31M this year, what reason is there for him to play next year for bad money?

6 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

There are all kinds of possibilities but the owners have the leverage to recoup losses in 2021 based on losses sustained in 2020.  I don't know that a majority of the owners will want to renegotiate the cap if the losses are significant.  If a majority of the owners don't want to negotiate some deal then the CBA dictates the 2021 cap.  Individual contracts may allow for teams to restructure deals to reduce the cap hits in 2021. I still think players will be cut and FA long term deals will be scarce.   

The article blatantly states "the big number is not even workable." 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Quite frankly, I think its BS. The NFL and NFLPA could come to an agreement on a cap #, its not locked in stone it must be based off revenue. 

Yes it is. Read page 69-130. 
https://nflpaweb.blob.core.windows.net/media/Default/NFLPA/CBA2020/NFL-NFLPA_CBA_March_5_2020.pdf

10 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Guys nothing to worry about with the Cap in 2021.  Howie's stellar drafting will dig us out.  

lol 

22 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Well the idiot media asked the first four or five questions about Hurts instead of Reagor and the other new WRs. Do they really think we want to read that crap?  

I believe that they think that we do.  If not, then they are dumber than I tell people they are.

3 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Yes it is. Read page 69-130. 
https://nflpaweb.blob.core.windows.net/media/Default/NFLPA/CBA2020/NFL-NFLPA_CBA_March_5_2020.pdf

I'm not reading 61 pages of a CBA, thanks. Everyone from OTC to Schefter is saying they can negotiate to avoid the problem.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The article blatantly states "the big number is not even workable." 

I don't think the better option isn't renegotiating.  I just don't think the NFLPA has the advantage.  I also don't know whether owners will want to renegotiate.  I am just saying that nothing in the CBA prevents owners from just adjusting the cap based on the revenue loss. Because most teams are privately held and the financials are not public, the best leverage the players have is a labor complaint that forces teams to divulge revenue numbers.  I don't think that would necessarily lead to a higher 2021 cap number.  

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

lol 

that gif gives me the Hurts. 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I believe that they think that we do.  If not, then they are dumber than I tell people they are.

This is complete BS. Of course people were interested in his thoughts on it. How much have time have we spent discussing it? 

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I'm not reading 61 pages of a CBA, thanks. Everyone from OTC to Schefter is saying they can negotiate to avoid the problem.

Here is an important clause that could be beneficial in terms of revenue numbers: 

(8) Recoveries under business interruption insurance policies that are received by any League- or Club-related entity, to the extent that such recoveries compensate such entity for lost revenues that would have been included in AR. The amount of such recoveries shall be included in AR net of (1) premiums paid for the policy/policies recovered under in the League Year(s) that include the events and the recoveries; and (2) deductible and unreimbursed expenses arising out of or related to the events giving rise to the insurance claim/recovery. Any lump sum payments will be allocated under the method separately agreed to by the parties; 

One of the questions journalists should be asking teams is whether they have coverage under business interruption policies. 

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I don't think the better option isn't renegotiating.  I just don't think the NFLPA has the advantage.  I also don't know whether owners will want to renegotiate.  I am just saying that nothing in the CBA prevents owners from just adjusting the cap based on the revenue loss. Because most teams are privately held and the financials are not public, the best leverage the players have is a labor complaint that forces teams to divulge revenue numbers.  I don't think that would necessarily lead to a higher 2021 cap number.  

We'll see what happens. The owners could take that approach but I think it would be highly disastrous, especially if they want to protect their investment. 

 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

This is complete BS. Of course people were interested in his thoughts on it. How much have time have we spent discussing it? 

I call BS on your BS call.  It's overblown.   4 out of 5 questions on it?   Is it worth that much?    Nah.  Ask a question, maybe a follow-up, then move on.   

They asked 4 questions because he didn't take the bait they wanted him to with the first two... so they kept throwing questions at him trying to get him to say something controversial.  They want it to be a bigger story, so they pushed it and pushed it hard.  4 questions is too many on the same topic.  Jalen Reagor... that's a big add.  Goodwin, Hightower and Watkins - all speedy guys.  That's 4 speed guys.  Seems to me that a lot of these guys see the attention that ESP gets for his idiocy and they get jealous and try to follow his way of approaching things.