26 minutes ago, TEW said:

There was an article someone posted a while back on the old board which basically showed you don’t even need to run the ball for PA to be effective and you can use it basically an unlimited amount without a decay in its efficacy. Really wish I could remember/find it.

Basically just the mere moment where the back 7 has to freeze to diagnose the play is enough to create a major advantage for the offense. It explains why the RPO is so effective as well.

This is one of those analytics things where coaches haven’t all embraced the statistical evidence and those who have enjoy a competitive advantage. Smart coaches would push the envelope on this in an extreme way IMO.

It’s not unlike Doug’s aggressiveness on third down in that regard. We have an advantage because our coach isn’t chicken sh** stuck in traditional conservative thinking, and yet the numbers say he still isn’t close to how aggressive he should be. The same applies to play action. No team runs it anywhere close to enough. 

I’d be shocked if the article you’re referencing wasn’t posted by me. I’ve been talking about that for a couple of years now. 

I’ve shared this a few times...

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2018/rushing-success-and-play-action-passing

32 minutes ago, TEW said:

There was an article someone posted a while back on the old board which basically showed you don’t even need to run the ball for PA to be effective and you can use it basically an unlimited amount without a decay in its efficacy. Really wish I could remember/find it.

Basically just the mere moment where the back 7 has to freeze to diagnose the play is enough to create a major advantage for the offense. It explains why the RPO is so effective as well.

This is one of those analytics things where coaches haven’t all embraced the statistical evidence and those who have enjoy a competitive advantage. Smart coaches would push the envelope on this in an extreme way IMO.

It’s not unlike Doug’s aggressiveness on third down in that regard. We have an advantage because our coach isn’t chicken sh** stuck in traditional conservative thinking, and yet the numbers say he still isn’t close to how aggressive he should be. The same applies to play action. No team runs it anywhere close to enough. 

Probably time for defenses to take the hit in the ground game and coach their LBs and secondary to play through the pass on every play.  May or may not be a viable option, but it would nullify play action.

26 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Probably time for defenses to take the hit in the ground game and coach their LBs and secondary to play through the pass on every play.  May or may not be a viable option, but it would nullify play action.

I think that’s where the speedy LBs and hybrid safeties come into play. For now, I don’t think DCs are ready to give up the chunk plays on the ground, but guys like Davion Taylor are fast and loose-hipped enough to make up ground after initially biting on play action. 

At the very least, I think DCs should be committed to more two-high safeties. Dare run games to beat you, but without dropping into coverage first before seeing the handoff. That’s just too much space to give up. 

25 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I think that’s where the speedy LBs and hybrid safeties come into play. For now, I don’t think DCs are ready to give up the chunk plays on the ground, but guys like Davion Taylor are fast and loose-hipped enough to make up ground after initially biting on play action. 

At the very least, I think DCs should be committed to more two-high safeties. Dare run games to beat you, but without dropping into coverage first before seeing the handoff. That’s just too much space to give up. 

I think Schwartz' scheme is sound, he's just had crappy corner play for the last few seasons.

Just compare the corners Jim Johnson had to work with versus the last four seasons.  I guarantee Schwartz would be bringing pressure more often if he had Troy or Lito or Asante.  We'll see what he does now that Slay is here.

2 hours ago, Giddyunc said:

I took this photo during the first quarter. What made the whole experience even better was the fact that the snow wasn't supposed to start until well after the game ended. It was completely unexpected. 

I was at this game and vividly remember tailgating before any flurries fell. Then when we made it to our seats we were all insufficiently dressed and my one buddy had to leave at like halftime because he was too cold lol.

1 hour ago, eaglesflyers#1 said:

I was at this game and vividly remember tailgating before any flurries fell. Then when we made it to our seats we were all insufficiently dressed and my one buddy had to leave at like halftime because he was too cold lol.

Which game was that? Was that the Shady Detroit game a few years ago?

3 hours ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I think Schwartz' scheme is sound, he's just had crappy corner play for the last few seasons.

Just compare the corners Jim Johnson had to work with versus the last four seasons.  I guarantee Schwartz would be bringing pressure more often if he had Troy or Lito or Asante.  We'll see what he does now that Slay is here.

I’m not saying Schwartz's scheme is unsound per se, but being plus-1 in the box stresses the secondary more than being neutral. And without an eraser at FS, the corners have a more difficult job.

There is some give and take of course. Being stout against the run leads to more second and third and longs. 

Last year we didn’t have the corner play or FS play to succeed in single high, although I believe it was much more about the CB play. No doubt Slay will be a big help, and NRC has been one of the best slot corners for years. The second outside corner is suboptimal, but I have some optimism remaining in Jones and his theoretical upside. I’m not confident that Maddox is even an average outside corner over the course of a full season. 

All of that is really just a long winded way of saying "I agree, but...” 

 

"In preseason and training camp, I’ll be wearing number 80 until a number in the teens opens up”

 

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Always love to see a prediction where Reagor comes out on top. 

6 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Probably time for defenses to take the hit in the ground game and coach their LBs and secondary to play through the pass on every play.  May or may not be a viable option, but it would nullify play action.

Definitely. Or change schemes a bit and essentially assign "run coverage" to specific players so that everyone else can sell out against the pass.

7 hours ago, ManuManu said:

I’d be shocked if the article you’re referencing wasn’t posted by me. I’ve been talking about that for a couple of years now. 

I’ve shared this a few times...

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2018/rushing-success-and-play-action-passing

Good article that makes the same argument, but not the one I was thinking of. I will say that I sort of disagree on the argument to pass more on first down.

My reasoning is simply that if you have a roughly 35% chance of an incompletion and another, say, 5% chance to lose yardage on a sack, that's the type of thing that generally stalls out drives.  You want to be "on schedule" and while a run is going to average less yardage, it is much more likely to result in a positive yardage play. Maybe if teams got more aggressive on fourth down it might make more sense to be aggressive on first down as well.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

 

I know it's all that's left but interesting if he keeps it.  

10 hours ago, Utebird said:

Ive only had risotta once, i was really excited and actually ordered it in italy when i went there for the first time, it was mushroom risotta and it tasted blah and both my wife and i got food poisoning it was the only bad meal we had in all of europe😞

Sorry to hear about that....

If ever traveling Italy again particularly Milan where risotto is best imo, try a dish called risotto con ossobuco, which is  risotto with braised veal  

23 hours ago, Basic Thugonomics said:

I might be showing my youth here but the thought of Jalen Hurts at QB with Adrian Killins at RB with Djax, Reagor, Goodwin and Hightower in the Spread (or Ertz in for Hightower?) gives me goosebumps....

Um, nah I'll take Wentz at QB. 

7 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Probably time for defenses to take the hit in the ground game and coach their LBs and secondary to play through the pass on every play.  May or may not be a viable option, but it would nullify play action.

Or maybe play sticks defense every play. You can't allow teams to run on you. 

16 hours ago, justrelax said:

I’m German-Irish. Forty minutes is about my norm for mushroom risotto, including slicing the mushrooms and shallots and grating the parmigiana. I use carnaroli rice rather than arborio. Sauvignon blanc and chicken bone broth, about six to one broth to rice.

The Italians are much better cooks than either the Germans or the Irish.

I’m Italian-Romani and Cooking is all we are good for and stink at everything else lol

 

Have you tried Lodigiano Cheese? Which is sweeter And creamier then parmigiana? It’s the best! 

32 minutes ago, greend said:

Um, nah I'll take Wentz at QB. 

So will I. Talking about like in a special speed package. I mean they gotta use Hurts somehow 

1 hour ago, Basic Thugonomics said:

So will I. Talking about like in a special speed package. I mean they gotta use Hurts somehow 

I'm honestly not sure when the proper time to use Hurts will be.

5 minutes ago, greend said:

I'm honestly not sure when the proper time to use Hurts will be.

I honestly think we are going to see a lot of 2 QB packages with Hurts lined up as a RB.

We talked about play action and RPOs being so effective earlier... well, imagine if the RB is a QB. You can put an incredible amount of pressure on a defense and force them into maintaining a level of discipline that is simple a no win situation for the defense.

9 minutes ago, greend said:

I'm honestly not sure when the proper time to use Hurts will be.

When we're up by 3 touchdowns 

12 minutes ago, greend said:

I'm honestly not sure when the proper time to use Hurts will be.

As trade bait when Teddy Bridgewater destroys his knee

17 minutes ago, greend said:

I'm honestly not sure when the proper time to use Hurts will be.

Well, the obvious choice would be if/when Carson needs to miss time, and/or when there's a blow out, one way or the other.

I have no idea what's going to happen with Hurts, but purely hypothetically if he turned into a 2 QB weapon in this offense as well as developing into an at least servicable backup, the league wide impact on the draft evaluations, QB contracts, team cap allocation, etc would be wild.