On 5/8/2020 at 10:47 PM, Utebird said:

Yeah its my wifes favorite. After i asked her to marry me she was thirsty and wanted a cherry lime ricky, the closest place was a sonic😊 Braums makes a good one!

Is that anything like a dirty sanchez?  

4 minutes ago, Utebird said:

If teams want to start running 2 qb offenses than college teams that run triple option would be a good place to look no?

In the NFL, I think it’s imperative you have a good passing QB regardless of your system. You’ll have games when you’re down 14 in the second half and have to pass to come from behind. Those option QBs or poor passing spread QBs like Bowden and Braxton Miller won’t be good enough. At some point, the gimmick runs out.

Finding QBs who are both athletic enough to be a WR/RB but with NFL arm talent tend to be expensive come draft time — RG3, Lamar Jackson, Deshaun Watson, Marcus Mariota. 

I could see the Saints next year have a QB platoon (If Brees is gone or hurt). Taysom Hill as the starter/when ahead in the second half and Winston as the passing QB if they trail or late in the first half in obvious passing situations. 

11 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I'll say one last thing to beat the Hurts horse, then I'd rather talk strategy about making it work.  They need to stop going off the grid in round 2.  

2019, when we still knew the offense needed speed, they passed on vastly superior talents in Metcalf and Mclaurin just so that they could add another "above the rim" possession WR with udfa quality movement skills to a 2-TE offense that already featured a possession WR about to get extended.  

2018, DJ Chark is on the board.  He's a WR cooked up in a lab.  The stacked 2020 WR class didn't feature a single WR with his combination of size, deep speed, acceleration, and overall movement talent.  We had a revolving door at the Z position and were about to entrust the position to a thoroughly over-the-hill and passed over Mike Wallace after leaving Torrey Smith for dead.  But we needed to draft a #2 TE behind Ertz to outsmart the rest of the NFL.

2017, many got on board with the Sidney Jones pick because of his pre-injury status, but the 2nd round was still much earlier than most expected him to go.  A non-qb with that kind of injury usually free-falls.  Again, outsmarting everyone else.  

2020...well, we know what happened.

Maybe one of these years their wild ideas work out, but it's looking like it might be best to wait until later in the draft to invest in their crazy ideas.

Hindsight is 20-20, but I don’t think too many folks saw McLaurin as a vastly superior talent to JJAW or a guy worth taking in round 2, and I was probably his biggest fan here. 

30 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Not sure ill ever get back but sounds good, not a big fan of veal though🤮

There was more choice of veal cuts than hamburger and chicken at the grocer I shopped at the two months I spent working and living in Milan.   

3 minutes ago, hputenis said:

Is that anything like a dirty sanchez?  

Nope!!! Not even a little, i remember talking to this dude and he was telling me you havent had any thing until a chick has licked your taint...and i was like um ill take your word for it bro😒

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

In the NFL, I think it’s imperative you have a good passing QB regardless of your system. You’ll have games when you’re down 14 in the second half and have to pass to come from behind. Those option QBs or poor passing spread QBs like Bowden and Braxton Miller won’t be good enough. At some point, the gimmick runs out.

Finding QBs who are both athletic enough to be a WR/RB but with NFL arm talent tend to be expensive come draft time — RG3, Lamar Jackson, Deshaun Watson, Marcus Mariota. 

I could see the Saints next year have a QB platoon (If Brees is gone or hurt). Taysom Hill as the starter/when ahead in the second half and Winston as the passing QB if they trail or late in the first half in obvious passing situations. 

Id take my chances with taysom throwing the ball in that scenario, Winston is a turnover machine 

39 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Just watching SB 52 again. Even now seeing the Pats go up 33-32 makes my stomach go!

😆

Its OK... it still finishes 41-33.

2 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

There was more choice of veal cuts than hamburger and chicken at the grocer I shopped at the two months I spent working and living in Milan.   

Yup there was a lot of veal on every menu we went to, we visited a few of the street markets as well and lots of veal and lamb, just a different culture than im accustomed to, but i dont eat much beef either so...

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Hindsight is 20-20, but I don’t think too many folks saw McLaurin as a vastly superior talent to JJAW or a guy worth taking in round 2, and I was probably his biggest fan here. 

McLaurin is a hindsight pick for sure.

Sidney Jones' range was all over the place in 2017. Keep in mind that Jeffrey Simmons tore his ACL in 2019 and was drafted #19 overall. There are lots of examples of RD1 talents getting hurt, then still getting drafted high.

I am eager to see how/if they implement this 2-QB offense.  Let's define a mismatch for a second.  Calvin Johnson on any CB is a mismatch.  Reggie White or JJ Watt in their prime lining up over a RT is a mismatch.  But that's not a schematic mismatch...it's just a talent mismatch with generational players.

Brian Westbrook motioning out to WR creates a mismatch.  Zach Ertz lining up at WR creates a mismatch.  These are skill set mismatches...and there is a fine line that can tilt the scales as to whether it benefits us or the defense.  

Again, I'm not saying this will fail.  I'm just saying they need to address some problems.

Problem 1: So 2 QB's on the field, obviously, a rare mismatch.  Defenses are going to do everything they can to make Wentz and Hurts uncomfortable.  If Hurts is going to take a direct snap, take the ball outside the pocket and look downfield (as was schemed in that youtube clip), then you better believe defenses are going to send their fasted LB in pursuit to force Wentz to block him.  We don't want our franchise QB incorporating blitz pickup into his weekly skill set.

Problem 2: When Wentz is "off ball," to borrow a basketball term, he's not going to be doing anything.  That means the Eagles start the play with 10 men on the field with a direct snap to Hurts.  

Problem 3: Spacing, another basketball term.  So we have a backfield with Wentz/Hurts lining up side by side, functionally in the same space.  They are both QBs.  Hurts may be very athletic, but he's not an NFL WR/RB weapon.  Is he willing and able to run the ball between the tackles with regularity and success?  If not, what is to stop a defense from treating a Wentz/Hurts backfield as an empty backfield?  Follow the snap and follow the QB with the ball.  And if we do grow Hurts into a true RB for this role, that's going to undercut his development as a QB.

 

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

McLaurin is a hindsight pick for sure.

Sidney Jones' range was all over the place in 2017. Keep in mind that Jeffrey Simmons tore his ACL in 2019 and was drafted #19 overall. There are lots of examples of RD1 talents getting hurt, then still getting drafted high.

I definitely rationalized the Jones pick, but an Achilles tear is a different animal compared to an ACL. 

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

McLaurin is a hindsight pick for sure.

Sidney Jones' range was all over the place in 2017. Keep in mind that Jeffrey Simmons tore his ACL in 2019 and was drafted #19 overall. There are lots of examples of RD1 talents getting hurt, then still getting drafted high.

Like Todd Gurley for example. That was a huge leap of faith on the part of the Rams. And it worked out for them too -- for a while.

Sidney Jones was always (after the injury I mean) going to be a second round pick.

10 minutes ago, RLC said:

McLaurin is a hindsight pick for sure.

Sidney Jones' range was all over the place in 2017. Keep in mind that Jeffrey Simmons tore his ACL in 2019 and was drafted #19 overall. There are lots of examples of RD1 talents getting hurt, then still getting drafted high.

JJAW was a horrendous fit here, at the time, no hindsight required.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

JJAW was a horrendous fit here, at the time, no hindsight required.

At the time he was picked, the expectation was Alshon was gone in 2020 and JJAW would be groomed to play the X. The fit became horrendous when Howie guaranteed Alshon’s 2020 salary. 

Just now, ManuManu said:

At the time he was picked, the expectation was Alshon was gone in 2020 and JJAW would be groomed to play the X. The fit became horrendous when Howie guaranteed Alshon’s 2020 salary. 

Yup. This was the consensus at the time. 

Most of us were surprised we passed on Adderley/Thornhill for a WR. 

 

20 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Hindsight is 20-20, but I don’t think too many folks saw McLaurin as a vastly superior talent to JJAW or a guy worth taking in round 2, and I was probably his biggest fan here. 

Called a complainer/negadelphian at the time, need patience, need a few years for it to play out.  Then it transitions to hindsight is 20/20.  Never gonna win.  Oh well.

A two QB offense will never work. They took Hurts because if Wentz goes down again, they need to give this team a spark from the backup position. This ain’t Madden. You need to change the entire playbook for Jalen.

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

Yup. This was the consensus at the time. 

Most of us were surprised we passed on Adderley/Thornhill for a WR. 

I wouldn’t go that far. While I wasn’t in on JJAW due to wanting more speed with DJax older and Agholor on a one-year deal, I wasn’t necessarily surprised by taking a WR over the safety (I really did want Thornhill). I thought Metcalf and Campbell were in play, but obviously Metcalf’s neck threw a wrench into things. 

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Called a complainer/negadelphian at the time, need patience, need a few years for it to play out.  Then it transitions to hindsight is 20/20.  Never gonna win.  Oh well.

Fair enough. I don’t remember if you wanted McLaurin in round 2, but if you did, great call. He was overaged and lacked college production. That was why I wasn’t all in on him.

15 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Fair enough. I don’t remember if you wanted McLaurin in round 2, but if you did, great call. He was overaged and lacked college production. That was why I wasn’t all in on him.

I wasn’t all in on him either...but I did want him over JJAW.  Well, anyone.  But he belonged on the list.

I think we’ll see this year why they missed the boat on Campbell as well.

I expect Reagor to be good enough to make us forget regardless.

34 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I am eager to see how/if they implement this 2-QB offense.  Let's define a mismatch for a second.  Calvin Johnson on any CB is a mismatch.  Reggie White or JJ Watt in their prime lining up over a RT is a mismatch.  But that's not a schematic mismatch...it's just a talent mismatch with generational players.

Brian Westbrook motioning out to WR creates a mismatch.  Zach Ertz lining up at WR creates a mismatch.  These are skill set mismatches...and there is a fine line that can tilt the scales as to whether it benefits us or the defense.  

Again, I'm not saying this will fail.  I'm just saying they need to address some problems.

Problem 1: So 2 QB's on the field, obviously, a rare mismatch.  Defenses are going to do everything they can to make Wentz and Hurts uncomfortable.  If Hurts is going to take a direct snap, take the ball outside the pocket and look downfield (as was schemed in that youtube clip), then you better believe defenses are going to send their fasted LB in pursuit to force Wentz to block him.  We don't want our franchise QB incorporating blitz pickup into his weekly skill set.

Problem 2: When Wentz is "off ball," to borrow a basketball term, he's not going to be doing anything.  That means the Eagles start the play with 10 men on the field with a direct snap to Hurts.  

Problem 3: Spacing, another basketball term.  So we have a backfield with Wentz/Hurts lining up side by side, functionally in the same space.  They are both QBs.  Hurts may be very athletic, but he's not an NFL WR/RB weapon.  Is he willing and able to run the ball between the tackles with regularity and success?  If not, what is to stop a defense from treating a Wentz/Hurts backfield as an empty backfield?  Follow the snap and follow the QB with the ball.  And if we do grow Hurts into a true RB for this role, that's going to undercut his development as a QB.

 

I think what you’re missing is that you can use the QBs athleticism to dictate coverage. You don’t just have Wentz hand the ball of to Hurts and stand there.

You have Wentz move. So Hurts as the single back, Wentz under center. Wentz hands the ball off BUT he continues running into a fake bootleg. You only need to freeze the defender for a split second to gain an advantage. Same thing on an RPO. He holds the ball at the mesh point, and even if he lets go he moves as if he still has the ball.

Disagree on Hurts not being a weapon as a RB. He’s a very powerful runner. You could think of him as sort of a "big back” if you will. You can give him carries as a traditional RB and he will be effective. Treating it as an empty backfield will get the defense burned, badly.

And I don’t think using Hurts in this way will stunt his development much. It’s taking a handoff. Not exactly rocket science. After that he’s either running, which is instincts based, or passing, which is a QB skill anyway.

2 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

Why take away snaps from Sanders?

They go 'RBBC' anyway.  They don't play Sanders 60 snaps a game, nor should they.  He will be more effective on a moderate number of snaps.  He's not a guy I want them handing the ball off to 25 times a game.  I'd much rather give it to him 12-15 times as runs and finding ways to get him in space in the passing game for 5-10 more touches.  That puts him at 17-25 touches per game.  High side of that being 25 touches, and then having him on the field as a decoy, fake option, etc. for about 15 more snaps and he's at about 40 snaps, maybe 45-50 at the extreme.  Ideally, this offense should be on the field for 60, up to 80 snaps per game when clicking.  (The Eagles averaged about 70 offensive snaps a game last year and 2017, a little lower than that in 2018.)  So, you are looking at about 40-50% of the snaps in a given game that will NOT have Sanders on the field.  Boston Scott will eat a few of those, but he's not going to be a primary weapon, nor is he a guy that's going to get huge snaps.  Maybe 15-20 snaps a game, with 5-10 touches.  Mix in whomever RB3 turns out to be, and there's easily up to another 10 snaps a game that they could use as part of a creative chaos that might give defenses fits.  Maybe it works.  Maybe it doesn't.   But, it will be interesting (and likely extremely frustrating at times as well).  

 

The notion though that these plays will automatically take the ball out of Wentz' hands... well, yeah.  Any time that they have a pure run on, they are already taking the ball out of Wentz' hands now.  If these are RPOs, like the one Orlovsky outlined, this isn't a play that takes the ball out of Wentz' hands any more than any other specific RPO we run now, the difference is that the player he gives the ball to as part of his read, would have a secondary read to either run or pass himself.  It doesn't necessarily change the read for Wentz, but it does change the fact that there's a secondary read for the defense to react to.  It isn't necessarily a run, just because Wentz has put the ball in the RB's gut and come away empty handed on his boot action fake.  I figure that the number of times that Wentz wouldn't have any read to make or have any specific impact on a given play would be minimal compared to what they are doing now.  (They did run one Wildcat last year with Ward at QB.  So, that's 1 snap last year that Wentz had no impact or potential impact last year.   Maybe that number grows to 1 per game on average this year.  That's not crazy... and if that one play takes defenses a lot of time to prepare for, it might ultimately be worth it in the long run.  Of course, it might not and it might fail tremendously.) 

2 hours ago, justrelax said:

I have not. I have a friend who owns a cheese shop. I will check with her.

Thanks.

I wish this was the result when I took my career aptitude test. 

36 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Hard not to root for a guy like this.