1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Kelce is not an 'inline' TE.  He's a flex.  Kittles is as close as it comes to Goedert as a blocker/receiver.  I give the nod to Goedert as a blocker, clearly to Kittle as a receiver.

 

On the contrary.  Goedert 10.5, Ertz 10.4 on the season.   The difference in their stats was the first 5 games.  Goedert got off to a sluggish first 5 games.  Ertz did not.  But, basically from that point on, they were nearly identical statistically... slight edge to Ertz.

Kittle is an absolute animal as a blocker, the best in the league. At this point, he’s in his own tier at tight end. Not even Kelce can touch him, even at receiver.

4 minutes ago, obedt said:

I could be wrong, but wasn’t there a supposed confrontation by Kelce? Since then nothing has come out.

I know it’s a big if, but if Alshon can get accustomed to being eased into action and not being a focal point of the offense there would be a spot for him. His skillset isn’t redundant 

Hopefully Kelce shut him up.  We don't need this crap for a 3rd straight year.  

The tight ends I think people can argue are ahead of Goedert right now are Kittle, Kelce, Ertz, Waller, Andrews, Henry, Hooper, Cook and Engram, although there are a couple on here I wouldn’t agree with, and certainly not depending on how much weight you put on blocking.

Edit: I left off Gronk because last we saw him he looked washed. 

 

20 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

His comments have always come when the team is struggling.  If the team is doing well, I don't think we will see it.  If the team is struggling we are going to see these kinds of stories about Carson and the team no matter who is in the locker room.  

Worst kind of snake. 

 

As for the assertion that these kinds of stories come out no matter who is in the locker room.... I disagree 100%.  That's not true, and we've seen struggles here in the past where things like that didn't come out.  

9 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I know those people are closer to the truth than the fan boys.  Who is the last pro bowler Howie drafted?  Lane?

They have not drafted 'Pro Bowlers' very much under Howie.  That's a fair criticism.  But, focusing on Goedert as a 'bad pick' is misguided.

Lane and Ertz both are Pro Bowlers, and we drafted them both the same year.  (2013)

Carson Wentz (2016) would have been a Pro Bowler in 2017, for sure, if not for the ACL/LCL injury.  In fact, he'd have been the MVP, so its hard to not include him on a list that would include

3 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Nah.  People are so upset with some picks that they irrationally knock any pick that's not a Pro Bowler.

Agreed.  I get the frustration with what has been going on with the team the last few years but singling our Goedert as a "bad pick” or being overrated is nonsensical, imo. 

11 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Worst kind of snake. 

 

As for the assertion that these kinds of stories come out no matter who is in the locker room.... I disagree 100%.  That's not true, and we've seen struggles here in the past where things like that didn't come out.  

Negative stories abound if the team under performs.  I mean don't you think Howie was leaking all of those negative stories about Chip when the Eagles played poorly in 2015.  

 

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Kelce is not an 'inline' TE.  He's a flex.  Kittles is as close as it comes to Goedert as a blocker/receiver.  I give the nod to Goedert as a blocker, clearly to Kittle as a receiver.

 

On the contrary.  Goedert 10.5, Ertz 10.4 on the season.   The difference in their stats was the first 5 games.  Goedert got off to a sluggish first 5 games.  Ertz did not.  But, basically from that point on, they were nearly identical statistically... slight edge to Ertz.

Give the nod to Goedert as a blocker???? Lmao 

1 hour ago, greend said:

The Eagles keep saying that there is no issue so I'm sticking with that. If Alshon is healthy let him compete for the spot but as always may the best man win

Yep.  We have no idea what really went on behind the scenes and if the Eagles are ok with Jeffery then we should go with their opinion vs unconfirmed media reports.   

41 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

The tight ends I think people can argue are ahead of Goedert right now are Kittle, Kelce, Ertz, Waller, Andrews, Henry, Hooper, Cook and Engram, although there are a couple on here I wouldn’t agree with, and certainly not depending on how much weight you put on blocking.

Edit: I left off Gronk because last we saw him he looked washed. 

 

TE is valued in NFL on their receiving quality, far more than the blocking one.  Teams would rather use a back-up TE for blocking and not waste the receiving one for that role.  Celek was a receiving TE until Ertz took over that role.  At which point, Celek was used as the blocking one and he did an admirable job at that.

Gronk has value also on his receiving ability.  Pretty sure, Brady did not ask him to join him at TB to block.  

9 minutes ago, Penn7980 said:

TE is valued in NFL on their receiving quality, far more than the blocking one.  Teams would rather use a back-up TE for blocking and not waste the receiving one for that role.  Celek was a receiving TE until Ertz took over that role.  At which point, Celek was used as the blocking one and he did an admirable job at that.

Gronk has value also on his receiving ability.  Pretty sure, Brady did not ask him to join him at TB to block.  

While I don’t disagree about receiving over blocking, I think run blocking is fairly valuable as a tight end. Pass blocking ... meh. I want tight ends running routes.

9 minutes ago, Penn7980 said:

TE is valued in NFL on their receiving quality, far more than the blocking one.  Teams would rather use a back-up TE for blocking and not waste the receiving one for that role.  Celek was a receiving TE until Ertz took over that role.  At which point, Celek was used as the blocking one and he did an admirable job at that.

Gronk has value also on his receiving ability.  Pretty sure, Brady did not ask him to join him at TB to block.  

To what extent is "far more"? If you put a TE out there in 11 personnel who can't block, you severely limit optionality on offense.

11 hours ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Yup. Anyone making an argument against Dallas Goedert is just someone looking to make an argument.

He's already a better player than Brent Celek was. It's a heckuva second round pick.

Highly disagree here...Celek was a complete TE with sub par QB play most of his career.  Switch him and Witten out and who are we talking about as a HOF'r?  This might be a stretch, but he spent most of his career with a QB who couldn't use TE's properly.

7 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Goedert is so overrated in here. This is silly talk. 

Eh, I like him a lot.  He's pretty complete for the position but as a receiver he's below the depth chart on someone who's elite as a receiver at the position (or any skill position).

5 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Highly disagree here...Celek was a complete TE with sub par QB play most of his career.  Switch him and Witten out and who are we talking about as a HOF'r?  This might be a stretch, but he spent most of his career with a QB who couldn't use TE's properly.

This definitely is a stretch. 

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

This definitely is a stretch. 

Celek never had a QB who could hit him accurately and give him room to do anything with the ball.  For all the crap we give Romo, he's way better than that era of McNabb and drek we had till Ertz was drafted as the #1.  His best was probably Vick who used him as a safety valve pretty decently.  Had he spent more time with Foles (who he was elite with) we might be singing a different tune.

3 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Celek never had a QB who could hit him accurately and give him room to do anything with the ball.  For all the crap we give Romo, he's way better than that era of McNabb and drek we had till Ertz was drafted as the #1.  His best was probably Vick who used him as a safety valve pretty decently.  Had he spent more time with Foles (who he was elite with) we might be singing a different tune.

I guess we were watching different games.

Celek was targeted 100+ times by McNabb in 2009 and Vick's #1 target in 2011.  He was not super athletic, so even getting past the hyperbole of "never had a QB who could hit him accurately", he would not have been a YAC guy in the mold of Kelce or Kittle.

I liked Brent a lot.  Good route runner with solid hands.  He got better as a blocker as his career progressed.  A great Eagle.

All that being said, Goedert has better tools.  A fluid route runner, more athletic at the catch point, and can actually make a guy miss.

Sorry if posted. Too lazy to look back a page or two. 

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Sorry if posted. Too lazy to look back a page or two. 

I don't think it was, but I'm too lazy to look as well.

1 minute ago, greend said:

I don't think it was, but I'm too lazy to look as well.

Same. Can anyone let us know?

1 minute ago, Double said:

Same. Can anyone let us know?

I'm sure someone can,but I was too lazy to ask.

Goedert was 12th among tight ends in receiving yards per game last year among tight ends who played at least half the season (that removes Will Dissly, who played only 6 games).

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Sorry if posted. Too lazy to look back a page or two. 

It may have been mentioned before, but if you can, go listen to the Inside the Birds podcasts (Mosher and Caplan) where they talk to Joe Banner.  It's in two parts.  Great stuff around the draft process and roster building.  Very relevant as Howie appears to be continuing the Banner/Reid philosophy.  

His explanation of why they never took a LB or RB in the first round makes a ton of sense.  The talent gap between first round and second/third round RBs is much less than the gap between first round and second/third round linemen.  He rattled off Waters, Garner, Duce, Westbrook, and McCoy as examples.

Teams seem to be jumping all in on the max mph thing.