God bless the Saints and their fans. Delusions of grandeur.

Let's not forget that Spygate cost the Eagles a Super Bowl win in all likelihood, but at some point you have to get over it and move on.  In 2050, the Saints will still be complaining about the PI call or whatever else. I can't wait for Brees to retire and see that organisation flounder again

Oh... And this

 

7 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

6 players with at least 100 tackles.  Think about that.   Mike Pitts had 100 tackles.  

Yup, it was a more run oriented nfl than todays pass happy league but still 6 guys with 100 tackles is alot.

If that team had even just a little offense that Defense would have been even better, as is though they were constantly defending short field from 3 and outs or turnovers which the offense was at the top of the league in.

That defense was stacked at all levels had they won something likely allen and joyner are in HOF, though i think both should be anyway.

7 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup, it was a more run oriented nfl than todays pass happy league but still 6 guys with 100 tackles is alot.

If that team had even just a little offense that Defense would have been even better, as is though they were constantly defending short field from 3 and outs or turnovers which the offense was at the top of the league in.

That defense was stacked at all levels had they won something likely allen and joyner are in HOF, though i think both should be anyway.

Eric Allen and Seth Joyner should be in the HOF regardless.  They have some unreal statistics and it blows my mind they never get a mention outside of the Philly market.

8 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Eric Allen and Seth Joyner should be in the HOF regardless.  They have some unreal statistics and it blows my mind they never get a mention outside of the Philly market.

Yup Seth Joyner was a play maker who could do it all, that he doesnt get more mention for the HOF is beyond me.

As for Allen hes got the stats but its tough for DBs to get in the hall, if he had won a few more playoff games or played in a super bowl or played for the steelers or cowboys instead he might have a chance😒

40 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I think it gets lost in the annals of history because they missed the playoffs, let alone failing to win a Super Bowl. People talk about the 85 Bears, and the great Bucs and Ravens defenses. The Eagles were every bit as good and people outside of Philly don’t really know it. 

Yup. Only difference is those teams had a semblance of offense the eagles nada😞

 

7 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

 

Interesting stat but I wonder how much is actually due to crowd noise vs just having an above average line

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Interesting stat but I wonder how much is actually due to crowd noise vs just having an above average line

Carson also has an excellent hard count that works far better at home

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Interesting stat but I wonder how much is actually due to crowd noise vs just having an above average line

Has to play a factor.  The Linc gets loud and Arrowhead is one of the loudest, but if it was just about volume you'd think at least one of Century Link, RCA, and Superdome would be on there.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

That’s a helluva what-if. That defense was something else. It’s the most underrated defense of all time. 

Its been the what-if to end all what-ifs for nearly two full decades now.   The Saints fan losers that think that they would have beaten the Eagles in the Linc on the NFLCG in Jan 2018 are just insane, and are sad sad people.  They want to cry about the fact that their S screwed the pooch... that's very different from a hit that would be illegal on the QB today ending the reigning MVP's season in the 2nd quarter of game 1.    Then, they want to cry about the lack of a DPI in the NFCCG against the Rams... but how about this little nugget, there's no guarantee that they'd have gotten a TD even after that, and they got the ball to start the OT where, again a TD would have won that game for them, but they.... um, came up short.  

 

Saints fans are delusional.  Eagles run in 2017 through Feb 2018 was the stuff of legend.  It's the kind of story that Championship seasons are made of... and it goes all the way back to Week 3 where they win at the last second on a 61 yard FG by a kicker that didn't start the year with the team.   They win on the road on Thursday Night without having a single penalty flag thrown against the opposing team... they win at the Rams after losing their starting QB, and the defense sets up the win.  They get a last second FG at the end of the half in the NFC Div Round after a knee doink off the DB for the Falcons.  Then the tidal wave against the Vikings starts on a pick 6 by a player that was brought in amongst little fanfare but played role all season.  Then in the Super Bowl, the UDFA RB takes a minor swing pass to the 2 yard line on a two minute drill... including a massive stiff arm... setting up the Philly Special.  They score a deep TD to that same UDFA RB.  And they get a strip sack on Brady in a 'game winning drive' situation, where he has excelled over the course of his career in SBs and really what has made him who he is today.

 

What do the 2017 Saints have?  They have a crumble to end all crumbles after the Vikings tried to give them the game in the NFC Divisional Round.  The Vikings had that game in their clutches... but let the Saints come back... and the Saints couldn't seal the deal to a game that quite frankly they had barely been participants in up until the last 20 minutes of play or so.  

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

The Washington Redskins were a historically-great team in 1991 — perhaps the most underrated Super Bowl champion ever.  I saw enough of Randall Cunningham running the Eagles offense to know the Redskins were not beatable that year.

Wow, someone actually gets it. I've been quietly making this same argument for years. The Redskins went 14-2 that year, and would have been 15-1 if they hadn't pulled their starters in the finale against the Eagles at the Vet and lost on a last second field goal by Roger Ruzek. They were statistically one of the most dominant teams of all time. They were going to stomp everyone in the playoffs that year, no matter who the opposing quarterback was.

I grew up in an era, the 80s, when all great WRs wore numbers in the 80s. I can't even remember any with numbers in the teens until the late 90s (yeah, someone's going to post Harold Carmichael wearing 17 but that was before my time really)

 

So a number in the teens for a WR doesn't strike me as elite or anything

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

Yeah, they were pretty special. Rypien played out of his mind that season, but when we faced him in a meaningless week 17 game he was 10 of 27 for 130 yards with a pick six. The Eagles won 24-22, although the Redskins backups played quite a bit in the second half.

The Eagles would have been clear underdogs, but I think the defense with just a couple of big plays on offense might have been enough. 

There's no way to know.  Eagles went 10-6 with games started by the retired Pat Ryan, UDFA QB Brad Goebel and finished with Jeff Kemp... The Backup QB at the end of the season was the recently retired Ken O'Brien as well.  I mean... let's be real, that team had no business winning 10 games with the likes of those scrubs playing QB.  BUT... that's how truly dominant that defense really was.  They put up historic numbers defensively with virtually NO SUPPORT from their offense.  That team was every bit as great as the 2000 Ravens, only the Ravens had a reliable running game (mostly) to lean on offensively to give their defense some relief.  The Eagles' leading rusher in 1991, iirc, was a rookie UDFA named James Joseph.  James... Joseph...  That team with Randall or heck, even a healthy Jim MacMahon makes that a legitimate game... and frankly, I'd say it comes down to home field advantage.  

 

During that season, the Eagles lost to Tampa Bay 14-13 with Brad Goebel.  Could Randall have made the difference in that game?  Sure.
NO Saints - 13-7 game.  Does Randall make the difference there?   Likely.  

 

I'm not saying that the Eagles clearly beat Washington... but, that defense could have kept a properly lead offense (or at least an offense with big play ability) in every single game they played... they did it fairly well even without a quality QB in the game.  

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

I think it gets lost in the annals of history because they missed the playoffs, let alone failing to win a Super Bowl. People talk about the 85 Bears, and the great Bucs and Ravens defenses. The Eagles were every bit as good and people outside of Philly don’t really know it. 

That defense was better, because they didn't have any support at all from their offense.  Its not even close, really when you look at what that defense had to do.  The greatest tragedy of all was that Jerome Brown died that spring, and we never got to see what they could have done in 1992.  

4 minutes ago, Fresh_Prince said:

I grew up in an era, the 80s, when all great WRs wore numbers in the 80s. I can't even remember any with numbers in the teens until the late 90s (yeah, someone's going to post Harold Carmichael wearing 17 but that was before my time really)

 

So a number in the teens for a WR doesn't strike me as elite or anything

Lance Alworth wore 19 for the Chargers in the sixties. Paul Warfield wore 42 for the Browns and Dolphins. But around the time of the merger, the league instituted very specific rules regarding numbers. Receivers had to wear numbers in the 80s. That was relaxed in the late nineties when teams didn't have any 80s to give out. Keyshawn Johnson was, as I recall, given an exemption with the Jets to wear 19. A few years later the league allowed receivers to use teens or eighties. Seems like most seem to prefer teen numbers now.

2 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Wow, someone actually gets it. I've been quietly making this same argument for years. The Redskins went 14-2 that year, and would have been 15-1 if they hadn't pulled their starters in the finale against the Eagles at the Vet and lost on a last second field goal by Roger Ruzek. They were statistically one of the most dominant teams of all time. They were going to stomp everyone in the playoffs that year, no matter who the opposing quarterback was.

They were historically great, but the defense played Rypien tough twice. He had one TD and three picks against the Eagles that year. Three interceptions killed the Eagles in the first matchup. 

We wouldn’t have been the favorite, and Randall notoriously came up small, but we would have had a fighter’s chance. 

Likely our OL play would have been the difference in a losing effort. 

5 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Wow, someone actually gets it. I've been quietly making this same argument for years. The Redskins went 14-2 that year, and would have been 15-1 if they hadn't pulled their starters in the finale against the Eagles at the Vet and lost on a last second field goal by Roger Ruzek. They were statistically one of the most dominant teams of all time. They were going to stomp everyone in the playoffs that year, no matter who the opposing quarterback was.

There's no guarantees.   I read about how the 18-0 Patriots were going to stomp all over the Wild Card Giants in the Super Bowl too.    But, as Howard Cosell would say, "That's why they play the games."   If it was about which team was favored, etc.  The Eagles wouldn't have won in the Divisional Round in 2017, nor the Conference Championship, nor the Super Bowl.   And yet... they did.  Its not about records or stats... its about doing it when it matters.  And sadly, we never got to find out.  

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

There's no way to know.  Eagles went 10-6 with games started by the retired Pat Ryan, UDFA QB Brad Goebel and finished with Jeff Kemp... The Backup QB at the end of the season was the recently retired Ken O'Brien as well.  I mean... let's be real, that team had no business winning 10 games with the likes of those scrubs playing QB.  BUT... that's how truly dominant that defense really was.  They put up historic numbers defensively with virtually NO SUPPORT from their offense.  That team was every bit as great as the 2000 Ravens, only the Ravens had a reliable running game (mostly) to lean on offensively to give their defense some relief.  The Eagles' leading rusher in 1991, iirc, was a rookie UDFA named James Joseph.  James... Joseph...  That team with Randall or heck, even a healthy Jim MacMahon makes that a legitimate game... and frankly, I'd say it comes down to home field advantage.  

 

During that season, the Eagles lost to Tampa Bay 14-13 with Brad Goebel.  Could Randall have made the difference in that game?  Sure.
NO Saints - 13-7 game.  Does Randall make the difference there?   Likely.  

 

I'm not saying that the Eagles clearly beat Washington... but, that defense could have kept a properly lead offense (or at least an offense with big play ability) in every single game they played... they did it fairly well even without a quality QB in the game.  

With a defense as good as Philly’s, they would have had a shot — no doubt about it. 

For what it’s worth, Football Outsiders has the 91 Redskins as the best team of all time according to DVOA and the Eagles defense No. 1 of all time. 

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/dvoa-ratings/2020/historical-dvoa-estimates-revisited

The Eagles defensive DVOA was so good despite having the 26th ranked offense and 14th rated special teams, we were fifth overall in DVOA. 

Washington was first in offense, third in defense and first in special teams. 

On 5/11/2020 at 6:58 PM, PrinceKelby said:

Why on Earth would you move there?

My buddy bought a $26 mil dollar piece of piece of property which encompasses most of Paradise Valley including one of the most impressive pieces of architecture and stone work I’ve ever seen. The main house is just over the top stunning. And there’s a bunch of elegant log cabins, one of which I stay in for free. He’s turning it into a fully self sustaining ranch with all kinds of animals, gardens, indoor and out, and all kinds of stuff. He’s a trust fund baby and is trying to do something cool with what he has. He needed help with it and asked me to move here to help him with it. I get a pretty solid salary, the best health insurance available that he pays for, and get to live in paradise in essentially the nicest home I’ve ever been in. It was just an opportunity I couldn’t pass up. Zero stress. And everything I could ever want or need in one place. Making the same I made last year selling cars 70 hours a week. I might work 40 now but it’s all fun work. Feeding animals, building planters, watering and planting plants. Best decision I ever made. And my dog LOVES it. He was couped up in a city apartment far too long. He’s so much happier now. I miss a lot about Richmond, but this was too good to pass up 

 

53 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Carson also has an excellent hard count that works far better at home

The Eagles are due to Wentz's hard count, not crowd noise.  Eagles fans are great and loud as individuals, but the linc is an acoustic sieve, it takes far more energy to fill it with sound than most stadiums.  

The dome teams and Seahawks are the ones that will be hurting here. 

 

17 minutes ago, blindside said:

My buddy bought a $26 mil dollar piece of piece of property which encompasses most of Paradise Valley including one of the most impressive pieces of architecture and stone work I’ve ever seen. The main house is just over the top stunning. And there’s a bunch of elegant log cabins, one of which I stay in for free. He’s turning it into a fully self sustaining ranch with all kinds of animals, gardens, indoor and out, and all kinds of stuff. He’s a trust fund baby and is trying to do something cool with what he has. He needed help with it and asked me to move here to help him with it. I get a pretty solid salary, the best health insurance available that he pays for, and get to live in paradise in essentially the nicest home I’ve ever been in. It was just an opportunity I couldn’t pass up. Zero stress. And everything I could ever want or need in one place. Making the same I made last year selling cars 70 hours a week. I might work 40 now but it’s all fun work. Feeding animals, building planters, watering and planting plants. Best decision I ever made. And my dog LOVES it. He was couped up in a city apartment far too long. He’s so much happier now. I miss a lot about Richmond, but this was too good to pass up 

I spent some time in Paradise Valley, beautiful area.    There is a pretty cool, huge Eagles bar over in Scottsdale that gets hundreds of fans for every game, although I'm sure that will be tempered with COVID.  If you haven't been there long and are still adjusting, there are unlimited cool outdoorsy activities in the area.  Lots of cool day trips like Sedona and boating in Canyon lake.  I've recently semi-aged out of this, but the Scottsdale nightlife is also fantastic.  My only complaint was the quality of non-Mexican food options, but if you are there long enough, I'm sure you'll find them.