https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-to-present-new-resolutions-to-rooney-rule

NFL is looking to pass a rule where if you hire a minority head coach/front office person, you'll get higher draft picks.

20 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

So @4for4EaglesNest and I made a bet on Reagor.  Winner controls the loser's avatar for 2 months.  To win I need Reagor to hit or surpass at least 2/3 of the following marks:

55 receptions

750 receiving yards

6 receiving TDs

That would put him in a category with 12 other rookie receivers since 2015 ( I think).  Any guesses on the 12? 

Those are some pretty big numbers for someone saying he’s gonna be "average”. Those numbers as a rookie would be way beyond average. I was thinking it’d be more like 45 for 600 and 4 TDs, since he’s so confident in him not being good. I’d say if he reaches the numbers you bet on, his trajectory is through the roof. I want to be that type of average.

12 minutes ago, FTheCowboys said:

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-to-present-new-resolutions-to-rooney-rule

NFL is looking to pass a rule where if you hire a minority head coach/front office person, you'll get higher draft picks.

Sorry, but that's ridiculous. I completely disagree that any team is so racist anymore that they wouldn't hire a minority coach. To me this itself is racism. You can crucify me if you want but, that's how I feel. I could not care less what freaking color my coach is on my favorite team if he/she was/is the best man/woman for the damn job and I doubt that owners won't hire because of race. Wins/money come before racism to them.

13 minutes ago, blindside said:

Those are some pretty big numbers for someone saying he’s gonna be "average”. Those numbers as a rookie would be way beyond average. I was thinking it’d be more like 45 for 600 and 4 TDs, since he’s so confident in him not being good. I’d say if he reaches the numbers you bet on, his trajectory is through the roof. I want to be that type of average.

Yeah we went back and forth with numbers for a bit and this is what we settled on.  Probably a bit too optimistic if I were betting real money but hey keeps it interesting.  Posted this before but there are only 12 guys to hit that mark in the past 5 years:

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Deebo Samuel 57/802/3

AJ Brown 52/1051/8

DK Metcalf 58/900/7

Terry McLaurin 58/919/7

DJ Moore 55/788/2

Calvin Ridley 64/821/10

Juju Smith-Schuster 58/917/7

Cooper Kupp 62/869/5

Sterling Shepard 65/683/8

Michael Thomas 92/1137/9

Tyreek Hill 61/593/6

Amari Cooper 72/1070/6

 

1 hour ago, RLC said:

Slay is going to have a Pro Bowl year by other teams attacking CB #2 over and over and over...

Exactly the point of a shutdown corner.   Roll the help to the #2 and only have to defend half of the field.  Robey-Coleman and LeBlanc cover the underneath stuff.  Looking forward to having Slay.  Helps a lot.

3 minutes ago, MediterraneanDiet said:

Exactly the point of a shutdown corner.   Roll the help to the #2 and only have to defend half of the field.  Robey-Coleman and LeBlanc cover the underneath stuff.  Looking forward to having Slay.  Helps a lot.

Precisely.  McLeod couldn’t be an effective single-high safety when the job required him to cover the entire width of the field due to both CBs being awful and allowing huge plays over the top.

9 minutes ago, greend said:

Sorry, but that's ridiculous. I completely disagree that any team is so racist anymore that they wouldn't hire a minority coach. To me this itself is racism. You can crucify me if you want but, that's how I feel. I could not care less what freaking color my coach is on my favorite team if he/she was/is the best man/woman for the damn job and I doubt that owners won't hire because of race. Wins/money come before racism to them.

I agree. Racism obviously exists in this world, but if owners/executives were so racist they wouldn't hire someone because of the color of their skin, then this would bleed into the players as well. And the NFL has a larger black demographic of players than any other demographic.

Every owner should have the right to hire the person they think is best for the job, and this rule certainly doesn't prevent them from doing it, but the rule is being implemented in the first place because they want forced diversity, which is essentially trying to nudge owners and executives into hiring people purely because of the color of their skin. Which in itself is racism.

17 minutes ago, greend said:

Sorry, but that's ridiculous. I completely disagree that any team is so racist anymore that they wouldn't hire a minority coach. To me this itself is racism. You can crucify me if you want but, that's how I feel. I could not care less what freaking color my coach is on my favorite team if he/she was/is the best man/woman for the damn job and I doubt that owners won't hire because of race. Wins/money come before racism to them.

I would say that the odds are good that there are still some racist people in the NFL's upper echelon, but this sort of incentive is the worst possible way to incentivize hiring minorities.  What this really does is call into question the motive for why Coach 'X' was hired over Coach 'Y'.  What it really is, is a slap in the face to every minority that interviews.  It says, "You aren't good enough to warrant this position on your own ability and merit, so the league has decided that you get a handicap to help you succeed."

2 minutes ago, FTheCowboys said:

I agree. Racism obviously exists in this world, but if owners/executives were so racist they wouldn't hire someone because of the color of their skin, then this would bleed into the players as well. And the NFL has a larger black demographic of players than any other demographic.

Every owner should have the right to hire the person they think is best for the job, and this rule certainly doesn't prevent them from doing it, but the rule is being implemented in the first place because they want forced diversity, which is essentially trying to nudge owners and executives into hiring people purely because of the color of their skin. Which in itself is racism.

Which honestly I would guess that even with this that if an owner feels like coach x is going to be the man for his team he still won't hire coach y just to get a higher draft choice. So this probably won't work anyways. 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I would say that the odds are good that there are still some racist people in the NFL's upper echelon, but this sort of incentive is the worst possible way to incentivize hiring minorities.  What this really does is call into question the motive for why Coach 'X' was hired over Coach 'Y'.  What it really is, is a slap in the face to every minority that interviews.  It says, "You aren't good enough to warrant this position on your own ability and merit, so the league has decided that you get a handicap to help you succeed."

Lol we both just uses x and y as our examples. There may be racism in the upper echelon but even if that was the case they are still going to go with what they think will win for them. 

17 minutes ago, greend said:

Lol we both just uses x and y as our examples. There may be racism in the upper echelon but even if that was the case they are still going to go with what they think will win for them. 

No doubt, but it will be an excuse for those that are racist to point to a successful minority coach as a reason why they were successful.   This is a terrible idea.   I hope it gets voted down, but I fear it will pass because non-racist decision makers will vote for it, out of fear that voting against it would make them appear racist.  Its a classic Catch-22 situation.  Voting for this is likely the more racist position, but voting against it will likely end up being viewed as racist.

1 hour ago, FTheCowboys said:

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-to-present-new-resolutions-to-rooney-rule

NFL is looking to pass a rule where if you hire a minority head coach/front office person, you'll get higher draft picks.

BS.

No way that passes. Want to help get rid of racism within the top level in the NFL? Start calling them out and stop protecting them. I’m sure people knew about Jerry Richardson and Bob McNair before their comments. 

52 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Yeah we went back and forth with numbers for a bit and this is what we settled on.  Probably a bit too optimistic if I were betting real money but hey keeps it interesting.  Posted this before but there are only 12 guys to hit that mark in the past 5 years:

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Deebo Samuel 57/802/3

AJ Brown 52/1051/8

DK Metcalf 58/900/7

Terry McLaurin 58/919/7

DJ Moore 55/788/2

Calvin Ridley 64/821/10

Juju Smith-Schuster 58/917/7

Cooper Kupp 62/869/5

Sterling Shepard 65/683/8

Michael Thomas 92/1137/9

Tyreek Hill 61/593/6

Amari Cooper 72/1070/6

 

Well, I’m just saying, the numbers you settled on are well above average for a rookie. So it’s not really a bet on him being average. It’s a bet on him being pretty good. If he was truly confident that Reagor would be "average” he’d be ok with lower thresholds 

1 hour ago, FTheCowboys said:

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-to-present-new-resolutions-to-rooney-rule

NFL is looking to pass a rule where if you hire a minority head coach/front office person, you'll get higher draft picks.

That's what they thought of to fix it?

I hope they build in clauses that stop the obvious loophole of just hiring a new HC and GM each offseason lol

Lol I can't believe that's their solution

The Rooney Rule alone seems kinda like a slap in the face. That new proposed rule is a kick in the nuts

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

That's what they thought of to fix it?

I hope they build in clauses that stop the obvious loophole of just hiring a new HC and GM each offseason lol

Lol I can't believe that's their solution

The weird thing about it is that no team will decide on a minority coach because their 3rd round pick will be a little bit higher. It's such a massive organizational decision worth way more than a few spots in the 3rd round.

The league just wants to look good. "Look at what we're doing to be progressive." 

7 minutes ago, blindside said:

Well, I’m just saying, the numbers you settled on are well above average for a rookie. So it’s not really a bet on him being average. It’s a bet on him being pretty good. If he was truly confident that Reagor would be "average” he’d be ok with lower thresholds 

Definitely, but it's also about setting the bar to a point where you're pretty confident in calling the pick a "hit".  Looking at the list as is all those guys have become good to great receivers. Yeah you miss out on guys like Chark and Sutton who eventually became studs, BUT if you start going much lower than that you start to include guys like Jamison Crowder who have always been kinda "meh".

Agree the bet is not in my favor but end of the day I can handle having Ru Paul or something silly as my avatar for 2 months to make the season a bit more exciting. 

1 hour ago, greend said:

Sorry, but that's ridiculous. I completely disagree that any team is so racist anymore that they wouldn't hire a minority coach. To me this itself is racism. You can crucify me if you want but, that's how I feel. I could not care less what freaking color my coach is on my favorite team if he/she was/is the best man/woman for the damn job and I doubt that owners won't hire because of race. Wins/money come before racism to them.

Agreed.  That is profoundly racist.

A downstream consequence of that...you'll see a widespread hiring of minority coaches & gms for that competitive advantage.  And what happens 2 years later if you hired someone prioritizing skin color over qualifications?  You are going to see a widespread firing of minority coaches.

Then we'll get chastised for the data that minority coaches are 5x more likely to be fired within their first 2-3 years than white coaches.  

5 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

The weird thing about it is that no team will decide on a minority coach because their 3rd round pick will be a little bit higher. It's such a massive organizational decision worth way more than a few spots in the 3rd round.

The league just wants to look good. "Look at what we're doing to be progressive." 

Look at us take a poop on equality.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Agreed.  That is profoundly racist.

A downstream consequence of that...you'll see a widespread hiring of minority coaches & gms for that competitive advantage.  And what happens 2 years later if you hired someone prioritizing skin color over qualifications?  You are going to see a widespread firing of minority coaches.

Then we'll get chastised for the data that minority coaches are 5x more likely to be fired within their first 2-3 years than white coaches.  

They won't chastise me.  I don't make these decisions.  

Even I can think of teams hiring minorities to get higher draft picks - with such vague O titles in the Eagles, it's a perfect table to abuse the policy.  How basic are the NFL?

I think the bigger part of the article that is getting glossed over and is more likely to pass is getting rid of the ability to block assistant coaches from Coordinator opportunities. 

I don't want to get too political and I certainly don't want to get into too much of a racial discussion.  However...but just an example of the slippery slope with this coaching thing...with affirmative action on college admissions, certain minority statuses are tangibly worth several hundred points on SAT scores and other standardized tests in comparison to other applicants.  That's the input side.  On the output side, academia cries injustice and tries to dissect the problem when the same groups have much lower GPA's and graduation rates.  If you have uniform admission criteria, then you'll have uniform performance.

If you lower the standard for people over 6' tall to get a job/admission/whatever, then the taller people will always be lower performers on average.  Not rocket science.  

I know racism is still a problem in society and old wounds are still open, but institutional inequality is dangerous.

 

The NFL has done a good job of increasing the number of minority assistants.  The first part of this rule, eliminating a club's ability to block tampering/hiring of assistance, would be a smart way to boost the numbers naturally.