21 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I think the bigger part of the article that is getting glossed over and is more likely to pass is getting rid of the ability to block assistant coaches from Coordinator opportunities. 

One year too late for us

8 minutes ago, FTheCowboys said:

One year too late for us

With our track record we will need a new OC and WR coach in a year or two

I was fine with the Rooney Rule, because teams should absolutely be doing everything they can to find the best candidates. And if you can't find a good minority candidate, that's a failure on the team, not the candidate.

However, I have significant problems if using demographic criteria leads to a competitive edge. It's a system ripe for abuse and doesn't solve the systemic issues. 

15 minutes ago, RLC said:

I was fine with the Rooney Rule, because teams should absolutely be doing everything they can to find the best candidates. And if you can't find a good minority candidate, that's a failure on the team, not the candidate.

However, I have significant problems if using demographic criteria leads to a competitive edge. It's a system ripe for abuse and doesn't solve the systemic issues. 

Sounds like Campbell’s law waiting to happen.

 

 

 

3 hours ago, greend said:

Sorry, but that's ridiculous. I completely disagree that any team is so racist anymore that they wouldn't hire a minority coach. To me this itself is racism. You can crucify me if you want but, that's how I feel. I could not care less what freaking color my coach is on my favorite team if he/she was/is the best man/woman for the damn job and I doubt that owners won't hire because of race. Wins/money come before racism to them.

I have to agree.  And as worded it singles out race not minority status.   Poorly thought out.  Plus it may penalize teams that are jumped through no fault of their own. 

The NFL is the ultimate meritocracy. If your skin color is green and you have four arms yet can win 11 games a year, you'll get hired. Todd Bowles won 14 games in his final three years with the Jets. Steve Wilks went 3-13 with the Cardinals in 2018. Marvin Lewis went three straight years with a sub .500 record. There's never been a minority head coach who was fired after going 13-3. Sorry, if you can't win, regardless of your skin color, you're not getting opportunities. 12% of the US population is black. 9% of the head coaches in the NFL are black, so it's consistent with population statistics. I'm not saying that it's not a flawed process and that they can't do a better job, but pandering with a better draft pick seems disrespectful. 

8 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

That's actually a pretty smart place to do it.   I mean, they are already in scoring range, but a big sack can knock them out of it.  Just gotta make sure you don't get hit deep for the TD when you do, but doing it there is a really smart spot.  RZ is another one, IMO, as the safeties don't have as much ground to cover, so they can squeeze things a little more.  But, he doesn't blitz much there at all.  

6 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

The NFL is the ultimate meritocracy. If your skin color is green and you have four arms yet can win 11 games a year, you'll get hired. Todd Bowles won 14 games in his final three years with the Jets. Steve Wilks went 3-13 with the Cardinals in 2018. Marvin Lewis went three straight years with a sub .500 record. There's never been a minority head coach who was fired after going 13-3. Sorry, if you can't win, regardless of your skin color, you're not getting opportunities. 12% of the US population is black. 9% of the head coaches in the NFL are black, so it's consistent with population statistics. I'm not saying that it's not a flawed process and that they can't do a better job, but pandering with a better draft pick seems disrespectful. 

It wasn't always that way, but every year it gets more that way.

17 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

The NFL is the ultimate meritocracy. If your skin color is green and you have four arms yet can win 11 games a year, you'll get hired. Todd Bowles won 14 games in his final three years with the Jets. Steve Wilks went 3-13 with the Cardinals in 2018. Marvin Lewis went three straight years with a sub .500 record. There's never been a minority head coach who was fired after going 13-3. Sorry, if you can't win, regardless of your skin color, you're not getting opportunities. 12% of the US population is black. 9% of the head coaches in the NFL are black, so it's consistent with population statistics. I'm not saying that it's not a flawed process and that they can't do a better job, but pandering with a better draft pick seems disrespectful. 

This is clearly untrue. Look at the history of black QBs.  Bill Polian was saying Lamar Jackson was a WR...2 years ago!

From a coaching perspective, Steve Wilks rightfully got fired...and Matt Patricia kept his job. They're both awful.

6 minutes ago, RLC said:

This is clearly untrue. Look at the history of black QBs.  Bill Polian was saying Lamar Jackson was a WR...2 years ago!

From a coaching perspective, Steve Wilks rightfully got fired...and Matt Patricia kept his job. They're both awful.

The game needed to evolve for Lamar Jackson.  Had Lamar Jackson been plugged into a traditional offense, or any NFL offense for that matter, rather than one specifically tailored to his unique skill set, his success would have been far harder to come by.   I also see him as a ticking time bomb.  He's one hit like the one RGIII took to his knee from being a very different QB.  I hope he learns how to play NFL QB, and carry the ball fewer times.  That style works really well at college, because the QBs are younger, they play weaker competition more frequently, and they only need a 4 year shelf life.  In the NFL, as the player ages, they take longer to recover, get injured more easily, and the hits start to build up.  It's one of the reasons that the RB position is being far more devalued.  The hits take their tolls on their bodies and generally, you don't see a lot of RBs that are nearly as effective in their second set of 4 years, than they are on their rookie contract.

 

As for the coaching side... Marvin Lewis held his job for far longer than his 'success' merited in Cincinnati.  Some organizations are slower to pull the plug than others.  

6 hours ago, Arsenal79 said:

The Eagles were better than the Raiders that year.  That was our year until the debacle at the Vet's final game.

Its a matter of opinion, the eagles got spanked at the vet because they made too many mistakes. On defense and offense, letting trotter walk and replacing him with gardner and kirklan didnt help😒

 

25 minutes ago, RLC said:

This is clearly untrue. Look at the history of black QBs.  Bill Polian was saying Lamar Jackson was a WR...2 years ago!

From a coaching perspective, Steve Wilks rightfully got fired...and Matt Patricia kept his job. They're both awful.

What position does Bill Polian have with a team? The league has evolved beyond the black quarterback stereotype. Russ, Watson, Mahomes, Lamar, Cam, etc. It has been for the past 20 years with McNabb, Vick, Culpepper, etc. 

2 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Someone say something about crab season, last week?   

I did.  Extremely jealous.Stripers are starting to run here, bluefish coming soon. But still miss blue crab bad.

2 hours ago, RLC said:

I was fine with the Rooney Rule, because teams should absolutely be doing everything they can to find the best candidates. And if you can't find a good minority candidate, that's a failure on the team, not the candidate.

However, I have significant problems if using demographic criteria leads to a competitive edge. It's a system ripe for abuse and doesn't solve the systemic issues. 

Belichek would hire a new minority "GM” every year.  

49 minutes ago, RLC said:

This is clearly untrue. Look at the history of black QBs.  Bill Polian was saying Lamar Jackson was a WR...2 years ago!

From a coaching perspective, Steve Wilks rightfully got fired...and Matt Patricia kept his job. They're both awful.

A lot of people thought he was a WR 2 years ago. Merit is not the same as perfection.

And even then, Jackson went in the first round of the draft to a team that thought he was a QB. Both the risk and the upside got priced into the draft market, and the result was a very meritocratic selection in the later part of the first round.

 

9 hours ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Teams or franchises?  Elite franchises will have so-so teams for a year or two. 

IMO, the the first key is to have a solid combination of front office, head coach, and QB.  The other is to have a clear team philosophy to help optimize talent acquisition.

Also, where do you put the Ravens?

Totally forgot about the Ravens.  They are in that upper to elite class if you ask me and I see your point about franchises vs teams.  Franchises widens the scope however.

7 hours ago, ManuManu said:

 

Why is it some guys just can't escape drama.

 

 

1 hour ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

The NFL is the ultimate meritocracy. If your skin color is green and you have four arms yet can win 11 games a year, you'll get hired. Todd Bowles won 14 games in his final three years with the Jets. Steve Wilks went 3-13 with the Cardinals in 2018. Marvin Lewis went three straight years with a sub .500 record. There's never been a minority head coach who was fired after going 13-3. Sorry, if you can't win, regardless of your skin color, you're not getting opportunities. 12% of the US population is black. 9% of the head coaches in the NFL are black, so it's consistent with population statistics. I'm not saying that it's not a flawed process and that they can't do a better job, but pandering with a better draft pick seems disrespectful. 

Not that it matter because the best candidate should get the job....period.  But I'm wondering what % of HC jobs need to be filled by minorities to make everyone happy?  At least half?  More than half?

1 hour ago, RLC said:

This is clearly untrue. Look at the history of black QBs.  Bill Polian was saying Lamar Jackson was a WR...2 years ago!

From a coaching perspective, Steve Wilks rightfully got fired...and Matt Patricia kept his job. They're both awful.

I've never been in favor of firing a guy after only 1 year unless the results are just terrible both on the field and behind the scenes in the locker room, like Chip Kelly was.  You need to give coaches a chance, at least a 2nd year to see if there is improvement.

5 hours ago, FTheCowboys said:

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-to-present-new-resolutions-to-rooney-rule

NFL is looking to pass a rule where if you hire a minority head coach/front office person, you'll get higher draft picks.

Ummmmm, this sounds like a disaster.   Best man for the job please.  Hire the guy who fits your scheme, culture, meshes with your players, who interviews well and buys in to what your team is doing.  I honestly don't care what race anyone on the team in any capacity is.  The bottom line is winning a Super Bowl.  

I'd like to see a provision.  If you sign a white running back or a white corner then you get an extra 5th round pick.  This is just silly anymore.  

• If a team hires a minority head coach, that team, in the draft preceding the coach's second season, would move up six spots from where it is slotted to pick in the third round. A team would jump 10 spots under the same scenario for hiring a person of color as its primary football executive, a position more commonly known as general manager.
• If a team were to fill both positions with diverse candidates in the same year, that club could jump 16 spots -- six for the coach, 10 for the GM -- and potentially move from the top of the third round to the middle of the second round. Another incentive: a team's fourth-round pick would climb five spots in the draft preceding the coach's or GM's third year if he is still with the team. That is considered significant because Steve Wilks and Vance Joseph, two of the four African-American head coaches hired since 2017, were fired after one and two seasons, respectively.
• Any team that hires a person of color as its quarterbacks coach would receive a compensatory pick at the end of the fourth round if it retains that employee beyond one season. The provision is an attempt to get a more diverse pool of coaches working with quarterbacks, since the trend of late is to hire head coaches with offensive experience

8 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Not that it matter because the best candidate should get the job....period.  But I'm wondering what % of HC jobs need to be filled by minorities to make everyone happy?  At least half?  More than half?

I've never been in favor of firing a guy after only 1 year unless the results are just terrible both on the field and behind the scenes in the locker room, like Chip Kelly was.  You need to give coaches a chance, at least a 2nd year to see if there is improvement.

I think in listening to most black commentators they see the issue right now as it pertains to executive positions. There are quite a few assistant coaches, a decent sprinkling of head coaches — but almost no people of color in executive positions league wide.