6 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Stripers and Blues are fun fishing.  

Just moved up here so figuring it out this season. Fishing for blues seems intense but they're so damn good. Especially smoked. 

11 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Not that it matter because the best candidate should get the job....period.  But I'm wondering what % of HC jobs need to be filled by minorities to make everyone happy?  At least half?  More than half?

I've never been in favor of firing a guy after only 1 year unless the results are just terrible both on the field and behind the scenes in the locker room, like Chip Kelly was.  You need to give coaches a chance, at least a 2nd year to see if there is improvement.

Everyone will never be happy. 

3 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Someone say something about crab season, last week?   

Better be drinking those Corona's with a 6 ft straw.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The game needed to evolve for Lamar Jackson.  Had Lamar Jackson been plugged into a traditional offense, or any NFL offense for that matter, rather than one specifically tailored to his unique skill set, his success would have been far harder to come by.   I also see him as a ticking time bomb.  He's one hit like the one RGIII took to his knee from being a very different QB.  I hope he learns how to play NFL QB, and carry the ball fewer times.  That style works really well at college, because the QBs are younger, they play weaker competition more frequently, and they only need a 4 year shelf life.  In the NFL, as the player ages, they take longer to recover, get injured more easily, and the hits start to build up.  It's one of the reasons that the RB position is being far more devalued.  The hits take their tolls on their bodies and generally, you don't see a lot of RBs that are nearly as effective in their second set of 4 years, than they are on their rookie contract.

 

As for the coaching side... Marvin Lewis held his job for far longer than his 'success' merited in Cincinnati.  Some organizations are slower to pull the plug than others.  

 

Agree.

We also need to see Lamar Jackson do this for multiple years.  RG3 was the next game changer at QB.  They rookie year he had as amazing.  Then poof.  Let's see Lamar stay healthy and see how DC's adjust gameplans to stop him.  

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Ha. Corona we’re for the wife.  Dos Equis for me.  Coors were for steaming crabs.  

At least the crabs get a final drink. Lol. Had some yesterday.  They are tiny right now, at least here on the eastern shore.

9 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Better be drinking those Corona's with a 6 ft straw.

😂 I've been buying cases of Corona.  Their sales have dipped over 33% worldwide because morons, and they are so cheap everywhere.  

7 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

At least the crabs get a final drink. Lol. Had some yesterday.  They are tiny right now, at least here on the eastern shore.

Went on a vacation with the in-laws a couple years ago to the Outer Banks.  Was hoping to catch some crabs off the private pier that came with the house we rented.  Good news... we caught a lot of crabs, and we saw them running around everywhere.  Trouble was, only one was a keeper, and he had only 1 claw.  We let him go.  We did have a good time watching the little crabs though.   We used chicken necks.   And we had one setup where there were 3 or 4 crabs sitting on it eating the neck... and another crab did some kind of crazy ninja attack and leaped right into the middle of all of them and just chased the rest away.  It was a ton of fun.

4 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Agreed.  That is profoundly racist.

A downstream consequence of that...you'll see a widespread hiring of minority coaches & gms for that competitive advantage.  And what happens 2 years later if you hired someone prioritizing skin color over qualifications?  You are going to see a widespread firing of minority coaches.

Then we'll get chastised for the data that minority coaches are 5x more likely to be fired within their first 2-3 years than white coaches.  

I have a problem with all of that BS. Stop making it about race. Stop bringing race into it. The Rooney rule just made teams interview a "token minority” before they could hire the guy they want. That’s more demoralizing because every teams’ first interview is a minority and they have to go in wondering if it’s because the team is truly interested if it’s because of the color of their skin. It became something teams had to "work around”. That seems way more demoralizing to me. Mike Tomlinson won a Super Bowl. Tony Dungy did. Ron Rivera could have. Skin color has nothing to do with coaching ability. Let teams hire who they want and then the tons of mid level coaches who get interviewed to "meet the standards of the Rooney rule” but don’t get hired don’t have to feel like they’re no more than a get around. Sometimes I feel like people try to feel like they’re helping minorities by supporting causes that actually do more damage than good. 

20 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Not that it matter because the best candidate should get the job....period.  But I'm wondering what % of HC jobs need to be filled by minorities to make everyone happy?  At least half?  More than half?

I've never been in favor of firing a guy after only 1 year unless the results are just terrible both on the field and behind the scenes in the locker room, like Chip Kelly was.  You need to give coaches a chance, at least a 2nd year to see if there is improvement.

That's the age old question.  Very relatable to what we are doing with our lockdowns and the moving goalposts. 

Is it dumb to compare percentages to real world, United States percentages?  A quick search shows that 12% of the population is black while just about 17% is hispanic.  Let's be real though, the NFL wants African American coaches.  So 12% of 32 is just about 4.  The NFL currently has 4 minority head coaches.  If Eric Biennemy or Duce are passed over again next year heads are going to roll.

Anthony Lynn- LAC   He has a .500 win %.  Will be interesting to see what he does with his new quarterback rather than RIvers.

Brian Flores- Miami  5 wins last year.   Same as Lynn, he has his hand picked quarterback now.  Time to see what he's made of as a coach.

Mike Tomlin- Pitt  Starting to wear thin with the Steelers.  The Super Bowls bought him a lot of time but he needs to win this year or he could be out.

Ron Rivera- Washington (Hispanic/NA) He's had success in the league but IMO he's JAG or JAC.  He will win some games, probably sneak in to the playoffs with a great defense but that's about it for him

I would love to see more minority coaches, IF they are qualified for the job.  Let's face it, a lot of our favorite players are minorities and I can see a lot of them getting in to coaching someday.  No one is hoping they would fail.

I would love to see Seth Joyner, BDawk and JP to come on board as coaches not because of their skin but because they were all time Eagles who's attitudes, knowledge of the game and drive would make them great coaches IMO.

Sadly, racism will always be alive in our country.  As hard as PC culture is trying, you just can't tell 330 million people to think the same.  The NFL is trying to do the same and in doing so with ridiculous rules it is racist in itself. 

19 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Ha. Corona we’re for the wife.  Dos Equis for me.  Coors were for steaming crabs.  

steaming crabs with beer a la brats...never heard of that before.  What effect does it have?

30 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

steaming crabs with beer a la brats...never heard of that before.  What effect does it have?

The crabs can not walk in a straight sideways line before the end comes... but they don't care.

56 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Went on a vacation with the in-laws a couple years ago to the Outer Banks.  Was hoping to catch some crabs off the private pier that came with the house we rented.  Good news... we caught a lot of crabs, and we saw them running around everywhere.  Trouble was, only one was a keeper, and he had only 1 claw.  We let him go.  We did have a good time watching the little crabs though.   We used chicken necks.   And we had one setup where there were 3 or 4 crabs sitting on it eating the neck... and another crab did some kind of crazy ninja attack and leaped right into the middle of all of them and just chased the rest away.  It was a ton of fun.

That's how we did it as kids here in Maryland. They frown upon it now.

If the owners pass this, wouldn’t it be hypocritical not to address the issue with lack of minority owners?   
 

Perhaps every other year, the controlling interest of one franchise must be sold below market value to a minority?  
 

Would the progressive owners sign up for that one?

2 hours ago, 315Eagles said:

Not that it matter because the best candidate should get the job....period.  But I'm wondering what % of HC jobs need to be filled by minorities to make everyone happy?  At least half?  More than half?

I've never been in favor of firing a guy after only 1 year unless the results are just terrible both on the field and behind the scenes in the locker room, like Chip Kelly was.  You need to give coaches a chance, at least a 2nd year to see if there is improvement.

Chip Kelly took the team from last place to first place his 1st season. And this Blog loved it.

12 minutes ago, Casey @ Bat said:

And this Blog loved it.

This blog didn’t exist then

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The crabs can not walk in a straight sideways line before the end comes... but they don't care.

🤣🤣

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

That's the age old question.  Very relatable to what we are doing with our lockdowns and the moving goalposts. 

Is it dumb to compare percentages to real world, United States percentages?  A quick search shows that 12% of the population is black while just about 17% is hispanic.  Let's be real though, the NFL wants African American coaches.  So 12% of 32 is just about 4.  The NFL currently has 4 minority head coaches.  If Eric Biennemy or Duce are passed over again next year heads are going to roll.

Anthony Lynn- LAC   He has a .500 win %.  Will be interesting to see what he does with his new quarterback rather than RIvers.

Brian Flores- Miami  5 wins last year.   Same as Lynn, he has his hand picked quarterback now.  Time to see what he's made of as a coach.

Mike Tomlin- Pitt  Starting to wear thin with the Steelers.  The Super Bowls bought him a lot of time but he needs to win this year or he could be out.

Ron Rivera- Washington (Hispanic/NA) He's had success in the league but IMO he's JAG or JAC.  He will win some games, probably sneak in to the playoffs with a great defense but that's about it for him

I would love to see more minority coaches, IF they are qualified for the job.  Let's face it, a lot of our favorite players are minorities and I can see a lot of them getting in to coaching someday.  No one is hoping they would fail.

To your first point, about 70 percent of NFL players are black. I don't think using a nationwide, non-football percentage is the right scope through which to view this issue.

For the most part, NFL executives seem to settle on one of two different types of head coaches -- the QB Guy or the Program Builder. (The obvious caveat here is that if you hired a QB Guy, you would expect him to implement an effective program; if you hired a Program Builder, you'd expect him to hire effective QB/offensive coaches.)

Due to rule changes and analytics, today's NFL is focused more on the passing game. In 2019, the average pass:run ratio was about 59:41. If you're an analytically inclined (or "modern NFL inclined") NFL executive, you know you need a head coach and/or offensive coordinator who is great at the passing game, both at scheming and player -- most importantly QB -- development. If you hire the Program Builder instead of the QB Guy and achieve elite success, it's only a matter of time before your OC or QB coach gets poached by another franchise. Unless you have some elite pipeline of QB coaching talent, losing these coaches will set back the development of your QB and offense as a whole.

So who qualifies to be a QB Guy? Most of the time former NFL QB coaches. Who qualifies to an NFL QB coach? Most of the time pocket QBs, and it certainly helps to have some kind of pro football (even CFL or AFL) experience. How many black pocket QBs are there in the NFL right now? Patrick Mahomes, DeShaun Watson, Dak Prescott, Jameis Winston, Teddy Bridgewater, Jacoby Brissett, Dwayne Haskins, and Geno Smith are names that come to mind. Russell Wilson is very good across the board, so I'll throw him in too despite him definitely not being a pure "pocket" QB. In the past 10 years, you have names like Donovan McNabb, Jason Campbell, Josh Freeman, David Garrard, Byron Leftwich, and Charlie Batch. To my knowledge, Leftwich is the only name on that list who has pursued a career in coaching.

How many black pocket QBs have come out of college football in the past 10 years? How many pursued pro football and afterwards pursued a career in coaching? How many black QBs in high school are encouraged to be pocket QBs? If high school and college football aren't developing these players/coaches, how is the NFL expected to? Michael Vick can't teach QBs how to be a freak athlete and have a missile launcher attached to their bodies.

So I think the before-the-NFL systems are definitely broken (or, at least, needing some focused attention) when it comes to the QB Guy.

Briefly going to back to the Program Builder, NFL executives either go the college route (Chip Kelly, Matt Rhule), the OMG HE COACHED UNDER BILL BELICHICK route (Matt Patricia, Brian Flores -- yes, an AA head coach, Joe Judge), or the successful retread route (Jon Gruden, Ron Rivera, Mike McCarthy). This is where the NFL can definitely seem like a good ol' boys club. Eric Bienemy not having a HC job is a disgrace, and Duce Staley is a far more palatable head coaching prospect than Joe Judge or Matt Patricia ever were.

Certainly there are many ways this conversation can splinter off (Who says a QB coach has to be a "pocket" QB? How does Coach X get to coach QBs without ever playing the position? Can't NFL executives think outside the box? Etc.), and I didn't even address the front office disparity. But overall, I don't think there's some organized racist agenda suppressing black coaches in the NFL, and the issue of QB coaching equality is more pressing in lower levels of football.

Apologies for the long post. Really got going on that one, sheesh.

I am curious as to why Duce hasn't been chosen to be an OC somewhere. Has he been choosing to stay here or is he not getting offers? I can't imagine why he wouldn't be getting offers

17 minutes ago, devpool said:

I am curious as to why Duce hasn't been chosen to be an OC somewhere. Has he been choosing to stay here or is he not getting offers? I can't imagine why he wouldn't be getting offers

Very simple: he's not a passing game expert.  His expertise is in the run game.

To be honest, Duce might make a better HC than an OC. Players love him, and will go to battle for him every week.

1 hour ago, TEW said:

Very simple: he's not a passing game expert.  His expertise is in the run game.

Yeah very true it is. But give him a really good OC who can call the plays...

2 hours ago, devpool said:

I am curious as to why Duce hasn't been chosen to be an OC somewhere. Has he been choosing to stay here or is he not getting offers? I can't imagine why he wouldn't be getting offers

Because he’s sucked as even a RB coach for most of his years here except 2017 and 2019. Even 2019, I’d attribute more to Sanders breaking out than him actually calling a good running game. He was a great player, and he’s a great person that it seems the players and FO love. But his rotations at RB at the worst possible times are atrocious and costly. Never have I ever seen a coach who continuously loves to go with the cold hand after a player has had a couple of good runs like Duce does. 

2 hours ago, wtfcares said:

Because he’s sucked as even a RB coach for most of his years here except 2017 and 2019

How has he sucked as a RB coach?

3 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Yeah very true it is. But give him a really good OC who can call the plays...

I think the concern would be if he does hire a really good OC, that guy would leave to be a HC in a couple of years. There’s comfort in knowing if your HC is the playcaller, he’s yours as long as you want him. 

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I think the concern would be if he does hire a really good OC, that guy would leave to be a HC in a couple of years. There’s comfort in knowing if your HC is the playcaller, he’s yours as long as you want him. 

On a similar note, I used to be in favor of having a defensive minded HC, but I’ve changed in part because a defensive minded coach still needs a good QB coach and OC to develop a QB, and both can leave for promotions. An offensive minded HC at least keep some semblance of consistency for a developing QB. 

8 hours ago, eagle45 said:

If the owners pass this, wouldn’t it be hypocritical not to address the issue with lack of minority owners?   
 

Perhaps every other year, the controlling interest of one franchise must be sold below market value to a minority?  
 

Would the progressive owners sign up for that one?

Of course not. 

There is a legitimate problem. This new proposal doesn't address it.

As long as people keep hiring their friends or people that know Sean McVay, this will keep on happening.