2 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

It is certainly a likely possibility especially  knowing  trade partners may be hard to find. What if you have the same draft grade for the next 6 WR's . I think the Eagles would have to be really sold on that specific player at 21.

Even if they have the same grade in terms of value, they don’t have the same fit. They all bring different skills and different floors/ceilings. 
 

plus, we aren’t drafting one, so you have to think about how you fill the WR position in total. If you are good with more of a one dimensional burner later, then you damn well better get your volume catcherposession guy early, or vice versa. 
 

I think it is way more likely they have clear preferences vs a muddled group that they be equally happy to take any of. 

10 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Uggg not sure there is a donell pumphrey at WR in this class, but if there is leave it to howie to pick him.

Or trade back in the first or even early second.

For me it’s Reagor. I know I know... Everyone loves him and his dad was an eagle, blah blah blah, I know... I’m pretty much alone here but that’s ok. I’m not gonna hate on the kid. I like a lot of players in this draft, it seems to be a high quality one. 

20 minutes ago, Han Solo said:

The issue with moving back 5-7 slots is that MIN, NE, MIN, NO have the next 4 picks after us and could pick a WR and our first WR drafted could be a Higgins/ Hamler type.

Am i the only one that would be perfectly fine with moving back, getting Higgins and Hamler and picking up a day 2 pick? 

2 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

I am not a fan of Reagor. I like the speed but that’s about it. He’s just one of the guys I didn’t get that good feeling about so I’m hoping we don’t go that route. Since I don’t like him you can bet your bottom dollar we get him. 
I’d rather Mims, Aiyuk even Shenault at 21 or a small move back for one.

Henderson is good, but I think he’s gone before 21 so I’m not considering him a real option there. If so, he should absolutely be considered. I think at least one of Diggs/Johnson/Gladney and one of Murray/Queen will be there at 21 though. 

I really like reagor. I wouldnt take any of those other corners at 21. I dont think theyre worth it and i agree i dont think henderson makes it to 21 but if he did there better be a much better prospect for the eagles to pass on him at 21

1 minute ago, What The F said:

Am i the only one that would be perfectly fine with moving back, getting Higgins and Hamler and picking up a day 2 pick? 

I’m in 

1 minute ago, Han Solo said:

So...

1) Trade down and pick up assets

2) Watch 3 or 4 more WRs come off the board (Remember Min, NE, NO, GB, SF all pick after us in round 1 and almost every team at the top of round 2 needs WR help)

3) Get desperate and trade all the assets we acquired in step 1 to move up in round 2

4) Draft the 8th WR on your board when you could've stayed at 21 and drafted a better one.

 

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Thats you're conclusion, not necessarily mine. Plus there are quite a few assumptions that you bring up that may need a little more information or digging. I don't know the Eagle draft board to know what they prioritize or possible strategies. Everything on my part is just pure speculation based on my own interpretation of the situation. I am perfectly happy to be wrong if the Eagles get 3 legitimate starters out of their picks.

3 minutes ago, purplefiggy said:

Even if they have the same grade in terms of value, they don’t have the same fit. They all bring different skills and different floors/ceilings. 
 

plus, we aren’t drafting one, so you have to think about how you fill the WR position in total. If you are good with more of a one dimensional burner later, then you damn well better get your volume catcherposession guy early, or vice versa. 
 

I think it is way more likely they have clear preferences vs a muddled group that they be equally happy to take any of. 

I am in agreement!

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Darrell Mooney 

Thats funny because he was the first WR that popped into my head but even mooney has more of an nfl body than pumphrey. Having said that if mooney is the first or only WR howie comes away with something went horribly wrong😞

2 minutes ago, What The F said:

Am i the only one that would be perfectly fine with moving back, getting Higgins and Hamler and picking up a day 2 pick? 

Even if that’s your plan, what happens if you can’t get one or the other and you are forced into a lesser combination?

 

is the extra 4th round pick worth it?

Erza Cleveland or Ausitn Jackon going in the top 15 to somoene (ex: the Browns) would be so helpful. 

4 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

For me it’s Reagor. I know I know... Everyone loves him and his dad was an eagle, blah blah blah, I know... I’m pretty much alone here but that’s ok. I’m not gonna hate on the kid. I like a lot of players in this draft, it seems to be a high quality one. 

Lol come on reagor at least looks like an NFL player, heck i saw pee wee RBs bigger than pumphrey.

5 hours ago, justrelax said:

Sauvignon Blanc is my favorite too.   Not so much any oaked wines.

The more I try to support small business by purchasing wine from small wineries, the more I have learned.   I like reds that mature in oak barrels but my preference is French or Hungarian oak because it is tighter grained than American oak.  I blame my mom for my preference of reds.  Her favorite wine was Cabernet Sauvignon.  So our first exposure to wine was watered down cab on holidays.  Cab is my favorite grape but I really believe reds are best mixed Bordeaux style.  Love a good meritage.

4 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I really like reagor. I wouldnt take any of those other corners at 21. I dont think theyre worth it and i agree i dont think henderson makes it to 21 but if he did there better be a much better prospect for the eagles to pass on him at 21

I get it, I kinda wish I liked him more. If they are hell bent on receiver at 21 then I’d rather see Aiyuk/Mims/Shenault. I really really like Duvaney too. Think he’s more a second round guy. People think he will be there in round three but I can’t see him lasting, he looks legit to me. I’d be fine there with him at 53. 

Another non receiver player I would throw out there for 21 is Chaisson. He has that burst/speed ingredient off the edge that could complete this d-line. 

13 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

Well I’m thinking these other positions that get pushed down are going to be better than the next bunch of wide receivers. You can still move up from round two for a wide receiver. Reagor, Aiyuk, Shenault, Higgins, Hamler... There will be some receivers there. The depth at these other positions doesn’t match up to the quality depth of receiver, at least I don’t think. I can’t see how Diggs, Queen, Murray aren’t fits here and they won’t get out of round 1. Probably between the 18-32 area is where they go and we have a need for these areas as well. It’s an option is all im saying. I think the consensus top 4 receivers are all gone by 21 too which is why I’m thinking of other options. 

I'm not arguing the players... I'm arguing the presented argument as 5th WR versus 2nd LB.  That's an empty argument.   

 

Kenneth Murray or Patrick Queen over Reagor, Mims or Shenault is a totally different thing.  And that's likely the right way to interpret it.

These embedded tweets look damn good. 
 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm not arguing the players... I'm arguing the presented argument as 5th WR versus 2nd LB.  That's an empty argument.   

 

Kenneth Murray or Patrick Queen over Reagor, Mims or Shenault is a totally different thing.  And that's likely the right way to interpret it.

And even then, it isn’t about who is the better player. It’s which player makes a bigger difference to this team, short and longer term?

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm not arguing the players... I'm arguing the presented argument as 5th WR versus 2nd LB.  That's an empty argument.   

 

Kenneth Murray or Patrick Queen over Reagor, Mims or Shenault is a totally different thing.  And that's likely the right way to interpret it.

I think I need to clarify from my previous comments I was not talking 5th WR versus 2nd LB. That is apples and oranges. I was talking BPA with need. I do not care what the positional ranking is, my opinion is based on draft value. I think Murray/Queen are the right pick at 21 because they will be the best players on the board at the time of the pick. So they should be considered an option. I am also sticking with WR need and LB need being equal this offseason. That can always be debated.

2 minutes ago, purplefiggy said:

And even then, it isn’t about who is the better player. It’s which player makes a bigger difference to this team, short and longer term?

Agreed, and I had basically posted that same thing a little earlier, so didn't want to say it all again.   But, yeah... Carson needs weapons.  We can 'get by' with bargain basement LBs and it won't affect his development or confidence.  So WR >>> LB.

 

Just now, Inigo Montoya said:

I think I need to clarify from my previous comments I was not talking 5th WR versus 2nd LB. That is apples and oranges. I was talking BPA with need. I do not care what the positional ranking is, my opinion is based on draft value. I think Murray/Queen are the right pick at 21 because they will be the best players on the board at the time of the pick. So they should be considered an option. I am also sticking with WR need and LB need being equal this offseason. That can always be debated.

See above.  One directly impacts the most important asset of the team being most effective.  The other is a position that this team hasn't put a ton of resources into for nearly 40 years.  WR >>> LB.  

 

#helpCarson!

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

See above.  One directly impacts the most important asset of the team being most effective.  The other is a position that this team hasn't put a ton of resources into for nearly 40 years.  WR >>> LB.  

 

#helpCarson!

I am suggesting we can have both needs met and the 2nd pick is the key.

We really gotta hit rounds 3-5.  Looking back on some of these drafts and our mid-round picks is brutal.

Les is a good writer and I’m a fan of his, but nobody has a clue what will happen tomorrow. This could be the most unpredictable draft ever

16 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm not arguing the players... I'm arguing the presented argument as 5th WR versus 2nd LB.  That's an empty argument.   

 

Kenneth Murray or Patrick Queen over Reagor, Mims or Shenault is a totally different thing.  And that's likely the right way to interpret it.

So that’s fine, I think we are thinking the same way just look at it a little differently I guess. 

8 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

I am suggesting we can have both needs met and the 2nd pick is the key.

Possibly. But take the LB at 21 and then...hope 2 more worthwhile WRs are available in the balance of the draft?

 

Maybe, but I’m not willing to take that risk to fill a position of lower importance first. 
 

just my personal strategy.  

1 minute ago, Inigo Montoya said:

I am suggesting we can have both needs met and the 2nd pick is the key.

I am suggesting that waiting 32 picks is a good way to swing and miss on WR.  I think the difference in potential impact of guys like Reagor, Mims, Higgins Aiyuk versus guys like Gabriel Davis, DPJ, Claypool, Pittmann is much much greater than the impact of Queen or Murray (who are very good prospects, but still at a position of far less value) over a guy like Willie Gay, Logan Wilson or even Jordyn Brooks.   

 

I get that you want 'the best of both worlds'.  But, this draft... they need to make sure that they get the best they can of the world that Carson lives in.

1 hour ago, Utebird said:

I likr reagor more. I think they need speed at WR. Not that jefferson is slow but hes not a field stretcher. 

Jefferson is 2nd in big plays of 15 yard or more over the last two years. Jerry Juedy is 1st. 

Jefferon can do it all. 2018 he played outside for almost all of the season. He is going to go higher than we think.