1 minute ago, Arsenal79 said:

I don't watch much college football, but I have a question about WR Jalen Reagor to the draft experts in here.

Why zero concern about his disappointing 40 time, and terrible 3 Cone Drill and 20 Yard Shuttle at the combine?  For a guy who's supposed to be a deep threat those numbers don't inspire confidence.  It's not like he's a big guy at only 5'11" with relatively short arms.

I can see Rd.2, but what am I missing that people want to take him #21 overall?

He's said the 40 time wasn't indicative of his speed, and he had someone time him at a 4.28 recently, but that obviously isn't official. The tape tells all, he's fast. His top end speed isn't Ruggs level, but he accelerates fast as hell and changes direction on a dime. He's going to be good if he lands on the right team, I have little doubt.

4 hours ago, purplefiggy said:

My father-in-law (who got me started on wine) had this thing for buying a bottle of wine the vintage of a baby's birth year that you'd open when they turn 21.

My daughter was born in 2000 so we bought a bunch of things - was a great vintage around the world.  some ports, sauternes, etc.  She turns 21 next april and I'm really looking forward to seeing what they turned into.

My son was born in 2002 - a relatively crappy year for aging around most of the world but I have a couple of cabs and a couple of rieslings that I can't wait to try in a couple more years.

I have a cab my sister bottled back in 1986 when she was working in a winery. She gave a case to my mom.  My mom could never bring herself to open that last bottle.  I inherited it because my sister drinks dry whites.  I have had it for 2 1/2 years now and find I suffer my mom’s problem.  It is either a finely aged red or some awesome red wine vinegar. 

15 minutes ago, FTheCowboys said:

Divvy up the 100: Your mood tomorrow night?

1. Confident
2. Worried
3. Impartial

3

34 minutes ago, purplefiggy said:

Possibly. But take the LB at 21 and then...hope 2 more worthwhile WRs are available in the balance of the draft?

 

Maybe, but I’m not willing to take that risk to fill a position of lower importance first. 
 

just my personal strategy.  

and that is the crux of the discussion. You are assuming that WR is a bigger need and the draft is the only way to solve the issue. I am seeing two positions of equal need. We can agree that Wentz needs tools, and we can agree that the Eagles want wins. I am suggesting that the offense and defense are dependent on each other and both need to be supported in order to be successful. 

Last year the offense was the target and the Eagles invested heavily. I said the idea was for the offense to be dominant and flat outscore opponents. The defense was designed for playing with a lead, sitting in zones, going after the passer. In other words, bend-but-dont-break defense.

The problem was that injuries made the offense mediocre and were frequently playing from behind. Games were close, and the defense couldn't keep it together when it needed to. They could be run on and the offense could hit 8 yard gains in the middle of the field all day. The LBs were completely exposed, the safeties had to play up and the CB's without support got scorched. Bend -but-don't-break means you have to live with a lot of 3rd and long conversions on defense.  At this moment, the situation is far worse as there is no competent LB and Jenkins is gone. 

Yes, Wentz needs tools, but he also needs a competent defense to get teams off the field and preserving field position. I still say the LB's are just as important as WR's.

What complicates things is that this years draft is WR heavily and lean on LB's. If the situation was the other way around, my opinion and strategy would flip. If you believe the LB's are needed then you know you have to go up and get the LB. If you believe we can get by with trash at LB and no Jenkins replacement, then prioritize the WR. 

Like I said it is all just an alternative perspective.

44 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

The more I try to support small business by purchasing wine from small wineries, the more I have learned.   I like reds that mature in oak barrels but my preference is French or Hungarian oak because it is tighter grained than American oak.  I blame my mom for my preference of reds.  Her favorite wine was Cabernet Sauvignon.  So our first exposure to wine was watered down cab on holidays.  Cab is my favorite grape but I really believe reds are best mixed Bordeaux style.  Love a good meritage.

Your palate is far more refined than mine. I struggle to learn but when someone whispers Sauvignon blanc or Sancerre, I’m cooked. My wife cannot handle wines with a lot of tannin so I adjust. I used to go to Moore Brothers regularly on Saturdays for the tastings and Greg Moore’s musings. Not possible now, of course. I have some reds I like, pretty much all from the Chianti area in Tuscany, especially the Corzano reds.

 

DJ is doing his final mock now on NFL network 

1 minute ago, FTheCowboys said:

He's said the 40 time wasn't indicative of his speed, and he had someone time him at a 4.28 recently, but that obviously isn't official. The tape tells all, he's fast. His top end speed isn't Ruggs level, but he accelerates fast as hell and changes direction on a dime. He's going to be good if he lands on the right team, I have little doubt.

I've seen where you have to add .2 secs to a hand timed pro day workout to get the equivalent to the combine.  So if you do that again Reagor comes out around 4.48.

Again I haven't seen much of the guy, but the numbers don't support him going that high.  More likely a reach because we left ourselves exposed at the WR position and all the guys we really want are gone at #21.

11 hours ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

My NFL season prediction. 
 

14 week season that starts in October. No bye week. 3 preseason games in September without fans. 

And if there's still no vaccine by October, then...

If you're going to go to games and this thing's still being transmitted a-symptomatically, I suggest wearing 2 masks. Maybe 3.

We have a MUCH BIGGER need at LB than at WR.

At WR we have DeSean Jackson and Alshon Jeffery.

At LB we have Nate freaking Geary.  It's a much bigger problem.

8 minutes ago, purplefiggy said:

And playing that out, we get WR #1 @21, wr run happens and a good, non-WR player is sitting there at or around 53. 
 

then grab WR #2 in rounds 3-4

That works and very likely

9 minutes ago, purplefiggy said:

And playing that out, we get WR #1 @21, wr run happens and a good, non-WR player is sitting there at or around 53. 
 

then grab WR #2 in rounds 3-4

Yup.

 5 hours ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Can you please point out the others?

I want to make sure I maintain my condescending attitude towards the members that deserve it.

Meh... people who changed their names from the old board and think others will know who they are strike me as a little self-obsessed...

5 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I have a cab my sister bottled back in 1986 when she was working in a winery. She gave a case to my mom.  My mom could never bring herself to open that last bottle.  I inherited it because my sister drinks dry whites.  I have had it for 2 1/2 years now and find I suffer my mom’s problem.  It is either a finely aged red or some awesome red wine vinegar. 

Depending on year, vineyard and winemaker, it might be stunning. 

1 minute ago, Arsenal79 said:

We have a MUCH BIGGER need at LB than at WR.

At WR we have DeSean Jackson and Alshon Jeffery.

At LB we have Nate freaking Geary.  It's a much bigger problem.

In a vacuum for 2020, yes. But:

1. WR is a more important position
2. It's time to get Carson Wentz some help at that position. 3 of the 4 years in the NFL he's had to work with limited talent at the position
3. In 2021 WR will be an even bigger problem if it isn't addressed now in a big way, because those guys will be gone.

5 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

DJ is doing his final mock now on NFL network 

It was posted online around 5pm.

WRs went 12, 13, 14, and 15.

We took Murray. Reagor went a few picks later. 

 

6 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

and that is the crux of the discussion. You are assuming that WR is a bigger need and the draft is the only way to solve the issue. I am seeing two positions of equal need. We can agree that Wentz needs tools, and we can agree that the Eagles want wins. I am suggesting that the offense and defense are dependent on each other and both need to be supported in order to be successful. 

Last year the offense was the target and the Eagles invested heavily. I said the idea was for the offense to be dominant and flat outscore opponents. The defense was designed for playing from behind, sitting in zones, going after the passer. In other words, bend-but-dont-break defense.

The problem was that injuries made the offense mediocre and were frequently playing from behind. Games were close, and the defense couldn't keep it together when it needed to. They could be run on and the offense could hit 8 yard gains in the middle of the field all day. The LBs were completely exposed, the safeties had to play up and the CB's without support got scorched. Bend -but-don't-break means you have to live with a lot of 3rd and long conversions on defense.  At this moment, the situation is far worse as there is no competent LB and Jenkins is gone. 

Yes, Wentz needs tools, but he also needs a competent defense to get teams off the field and preserving field position. I still say the LB's are just as important as WR's.

What complicates things is that this years draft is WR heavily and lean on LB's. If the situation was the other way around, my opinion and strategy would flip. If you believe the LB's are needed then you know you have to go up and get the LB. If you believe we can get by with trash at LB and no Jenkins replacement, then prioritize the WR. 

Like I said it is all just an alternative perspective.

Yup. I have no problem being LB deficient (again). I would go crazy if we end up WR deficient again. 

 5 hours ago, lornemalvo4133 said:

Other teams know the Eagles are locked in WRs. That makes me think it will be hard for the Eagles to sit at 21 and get the player they want. Seems the smart play for Howie is to move back a few spots, take Reagor/Aiyuk, and gather another mid-round pick that can be used to move up in the 2nd round and double dip at WR. 

At least 4 of the 7 teams directly behind us have WR as a need.

Did you go to the store expecting them to have hand sanitizer a month into Covid too?

 

18 minutes ago, AzBirdGang said:

This. We ended up with Sweat in a historic defensive end class. Same with Pumphrey. Jordan Matthews in that receiver draft. 

Go get one of these top guys Howie. You have the draft capital. Use a pick from next year's draft. We might not even be able to have college football next year. How do you scout for that?

Wentz deep right to Lamb for 56 yards - Touchdown. 30 - 24. Birds win. 

Do the deal Howie.

Yeah but we waited way too long in those drafts, rounds 4 and 5 respectively. I don’t think anyone proposed to wait that long to address receiver this year. 

5 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

We have a MUCH BIGGER need at LB than at WR.

At WR we have DeSean Jackson and Alshon Jeffery.

At LB we have Nate freaking Geary.  It's a much bigger problem.

People keep saying we have Jeffery.   We don't.  

Best case scenario he gets traded.  Worst case scenario he's on PUP.  No case scenario - he plays.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

It was posted online around 5pm.

WRs went 12, 13, 14, and 15.

We took Murray. Reagor went a few picks later. 

 

Gee thanks 

8 minutes ago, Green Dog said:

And if there's still no vaccine by October, then...

If you're going to go to games and this thing's still being transmitted a-symptomatically, I suggest wearing 2 masks. Maybe 3.

I’m just purely guessing. Honestly have no clue 

1 minute ago, greendestiny27 said:

Yeah but we waited way too long in those drafts, rounds 4 and 5 respectively. I don’t think anyone proposed to wait that long to address receiver this year. 

Matthews was Round 2.

18 minutes ago, AzBirdGang said:

Watching this too. I saw Kiper say the Bills could have just waited for Odell instead of trading up for Sammy Watkins. 

 

Lions took Eric Ebron... imagine if they took Odell and paired him with megatron... 

2 hours ago, purplefiggy said:

With 12 personnel and being so TE heavy, I wonder if that's chicken or egg.  Is that how we want to run, or how we run when our WRs look like they do?

 

I think it's a combination of the two...the chicken and the egg.

I know I'm a broken record on this, but I might as well post it for the first time on the new board.  I prefer early 1990's physical football where speed is great, but it's really only one of several important dimensions on offense.  You only need (and even need may be a strong word) one guy to bring that to the table.

2020: the league is consciously officiating away from contact and into open space full stride aerial warfare.  Physical players take a beating, finesse runners in space are protected by yellow flags. 

I don't think the Eagles got this memo.  AR sure figured it out.  That's where the 12 personnel problem comes into play.  There can be no debate that in week 17 2019 and week 1 2020 the 12 personnel are our best option to move the football, given our weapons.  So you can argue we run it because it's our best option for what we have.  

But one can also argue that we may our bed with this and now we are sleeping in it.  2018 draft: We lost our starting Z WR and deep threat.  We lost our #2 TE.  We chose Dallas Goedert for 12 personnel over a long term Z solution in DJ Chark.  That was a fork in the road...and we chose to go heavy with the "12."  2019 draft: we had 2 consecutive years of ineffective old Z receivers.  We picked up another old Z in the twilight of his career.  With multiple deep threat options on the board in round 2, we first take a halfback.  Then we take a possession WR.  

Say what you want about Desean's illustrious career; he's 33 and on team #4.  A team values what they draft, not what they say or what we want to think.  And the draft makes it clear what kind of offense they want to run...physical big targets for an underneath passing game with one token, deep threat as a decoy to decompress the defense.  That's what they've built each year.  They would have done something else about it by now if they had a different vision.

24 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Sure.  I heard that about RB... I heard that about OL... and even WR before. 

 

We came away with Donnell Pumphrey, nobody and Jordan Matthews/Josh Huff.

Right after we took Donnell Pumphrey in 2017, the Colts took Marlon Mack.  The problem wasn't waiting, it was terrible draft evaluation of the RBs.

Right after we took Jordan Matthews in 2014, DaVante Adams, Allen Robinson and Jarvis Landry were picked.  Again the problem wasn't waiting, it was terrible draft evaluation of the WRs. 

We likely reached for Josh Huff in the 3rd round of 2014, when there were plenty of other good players at other positions.

 

But we forced a WR pick and paid for it.  The lesson is not to do that.