Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Matthews was Round 2.

I was talking about Sweat and Pumphrey. They just flat out missed on Jordan, unfortunately. 

5 minutes ago, purplefiggy said:

Yup. I have no problem being LB deficient (again). I would go crazy if we end up WR deficient again. 

I would expect close to an 8-8 season as a result. Its ok, I see this team as in transition. They will need two good drafts in a row at least.

1 hour ago, greendestiny27 said:

I get it, I kinda wish I liked him more. If they are hell bent on receiver at 21 then I’d rather see Aiyuk/Mims/Shenault. I really really like Duvaney too. Think he’s more a second round guy. People think he will be there in round three but I can’t see him lasting, he looks legit to me. I’d be fine there with him at 53. 

Another non receiver player I would throw out there for 21 is Chaisson. He has that burst/speed ingredient off the edge that could complete this d-line. 

Chaisson seems small to me. Seems like a Reid fast ball pick😊

If the Skins trade down past 10, I would think they'd be in the market for WR.

5 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That doesn't give much of an answer.  But thanks for trying.

It’s relatively simple. Just like with making beer, yeast eats the sugar in the grape (or fruit, honey -mead or apple -cider) juice and ferments it into alcohol and CO2.  Let the fermentation run it’s course and the wine has less than 1% residual sugar and you have a dry wine because of how it tastes on the tongue.  2% or less is an off dry. Which merges to a semi sweet up to about 4%.  Then above it is a sweet, which can have added sugars in it as well.  Distill and you get ports , sherry, cognacs and brandy.  It all comes down to stopping the fermentation. Ice wines tend to use temperature,  some wineries use sulfites which can give you a bit of a headache.  

4 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Right after we took Donnell Pumphrey in 2017, the Colts took Marlon Mack.  The problem wasn't waiting, it was terrible draft evaluation of the RBs.

Right after we took Jordan Matthews in 2014, DaVante Adams, Allen Robinson and Jarvis Landry were picked.  Again the problem wasn't waiting, it was terrible draft evaluation of the WRs. 

We likely reached for Josh Huff in the 3rd round of 2014, when there were plenty of other good players at other positions.

 

But we forced a WR pick and paid for it.  The lesson is not to do that.

... in rounds after round 1.

22 minutes ago, purplefiggy said:

Possibly. But take the LB at 21 and then...hope 2 more worthwhile WRs are available in the balance of the draft?

Maybe, but I’m not willing to take that risk to fill a position of lower importance first. 

just my personal strategy.  

I would have to agree.

There is a part of me that would love to see a Queen or Murray added to this defense.   With the Eagles playing so much Nickel, they really only need 1 stud LBer to anchor the Back 7, while the other no name LBers on the roster could fill in as needed based on down and distance, or the other LBers on the roster could be supplemented with 4th / 5th round type LBers.    But having that 1 stud LBer has the potential to really help the entire defense.

But Carson has to have better (and younger and faster) weapons.   And after seeing runs at certain "heavy" positions in recent past drafts (DL, OL, RB, etc) that were supposedly deep at those spots, and getting picked clean faster than expected...I don't want the take the risk that one of the top 10 WR's will still be on the board at #53.   Certainly not #103.   In fact I am not even sure I would risk trading back from #21.    I am all about having extra draft picks, but I almost hope Howie has a way to trade up a little bit (without having to sell the farm) and get one of the Top 4 WR's.   I would even consider trading a 2021 2nd round pick to move up somewhere between #10 and #16 if it would guarantee them one of the Top 3 or 4 WR's.

At this point I think my ideal draft might go...

1st Round - WR (trade up for one of the Top 3 or Top 4 WR's)

2nd Round - LB

3rd Round - WR

 

40 minutes ago, AzBirdGang said:

Jefferson is 2nd in big plays of 15 yard or more over the last two years. Jerry Juedy is 1st. 

Jefferon can do it all. 2018 he played outside for almost all of the season. He is going to go higher than we think. 

Yup i know all of jeffersons stats and his sophomore season and i know how most people love him some have him rated above ruggs which is fine im just not a fan. I could go into details why but im not looking to get the new blog all yelling at me again😄😉

15 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

People keep saying we have Jeffery.   We don't.  

Best case scenario he gets traded.  Worst case scenario he's on PUP.  No case scenario - he plays.

Do you have some information other people don't?  He had Lisfranc surgery in December, which was widely reported as a 9 month injury, meaning he should be back when the season is normally supposed to start.

And its highly unlikely he gets traded due to his contract.  We're stuck with him for 1 more year.

Why do people keep ignoring the fact we have nothing at LB except a mediocre 4th rounder from a few years ago who led the league in blown tackles last year?

6 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

If the eagles don’t go for a WR In the first two rounds

 

That’s a pic from the 1999 draft, right?

4 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

It’s relatively simple. Just like with making beer, yeast eats the sugar in the grape (or fruit, honey -mead or apple -cider) juice and ferments it into alcohol and CO2.  Let the fermentation run it’s course and the wine has less than 1% residual sugar and you have a dry wine because of how it tastes on the tongue.  2% or less is an off dry. Which merges to a semi sweet up to about 4%.  Then above it is a sweet, which can have added sugars in it as well.  Distill and you get ports , sherry, cognacs and brandy.  It all comes down to stopping the fermentation. Ice wines tend to use temperature,  some wineries use sulfites which can give you a bit of a headache.  

 

Talk to me about beer now.  🍺

4 minutes ago, Rhinoddd50 said:

I would have to agree.

There is a part of me that would love to see a Queen or Murray added to this defense.   With the Eagles playing so much Nickel, they really only need 1 stud LBer to anchor the Back 7, while the other no name LBers on the roster could fill in as needed based on down and distance, or the other LBers on the roster could be supplemented with 4th / 5th round type LBers.    But having that 1 stud LBer has the potential to really help the entire defense.

But Carson has to have better (and younger and faster) weapons.   And after seeing runs at certain "heavy" positions in recent past drafts (DL, OL, RB, etc) that were supposedly deep at those spots, and getting picked clean faster than expected...I don't want the take the risk that one of the top 10 WR's will still be on the board at #53.   Certainly not #103.   In fact I am not even sure I would risk trading back from #21.    I am all about having extra draft picks, but I almost hope Howie has a way to trade up a little bit (without having to sell the farm) and get one of the Top 4 WR's.   I would even consider trading a 2021 2nd round pick to move up somewhere between #10 and #16 if it would guarantee them one of the Top 3 or 4 WR's.

At this point I think my ideal draft might go...

1st Round - WR (trade up for one of the Top 3 or Top 4 WR's)

2nd Round - LB

3rd Round - WR

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

 

If we could get Reagor/Mims and Higgins in 1/2 I would be elated.

The Eagles can find LBs to fill in. There will be another wave of free agency after the draft, they can pickup guys after June 1st cuts(if that's even a thing this year). LB isn't that important, they can fill it in adequately enough.

5 minutes ago, Rhinoddd50 said:

I would have to agree.

There is a part of me that would love to see a Queen or Murray added to this defense.   With the Eagles playing so much Nickel, they really only need 1 stud LBer to anchor the Back 7, while the other no name LBers on the roster could fill in as needed based on down and distance, or the other LBers on the roster could be supplemented with 4th / 5th round type LBers.    But having that 1 stud LBer has the potential to really help the entire defense.

But Carson has to have better (and younger and faster) weapons.   And after seeing runs at certain "heavy" positions in recent past drafts (DL, OL, RB, etc) that were supposedly deep at those spots, and getting picked clean faster than expected...I don't want the take the risk that one of the top 10 WR's will still be on the board at #53.   Certainly not #103.   In fact I am not even sure I would risk trading back from #21.    I am all about having extra draft picks, but I almost hope Howie has a way to trade up a little bit (without having to sell the farm) and get one of the Top 4 WR's.   I would even consider trading a 2021 2nd round pick to move up somewhere between #10 and #16 if it would guarantee them one of the Top 3 or 4 WR's.

At this point I think my ideal draft might go...

1st Round - WR (trade up for one of the Top 3 or Top 4 WR's)

2nd Round - LB

3rd Round - WR

 

Nice write up...in agreement

Just now, EagleJoe8 said:

That’s a pic from the 1999 draft, right?

Gotta be after 2007 when the eagles had 1933 jerseys that were blue and yellow for 75th anniversary 

9 minutes ago, Rhinoddd50 said:

I would have to agree.

There is a part of me that would love to see a Queen or Murray added to this defense.   With the Eagles playing so much Nickel, they really only need 1 stud LBer to anchor the Back 7, while the other no name LBers on the roster could fill in as needed based on down and distance, or the other LBers on the roster could be supplemented with 4th / 5th round type LBers.    But having that 1 stud LBer has the potential to really help the entire defense.

But Carson has to have better (and younger and faster) weapons.   And after seeing runs at certain "heavy" positions in recent past drafts (DL, OL, RB, etc) that were supposedly deep at those spots, and getting picked clean faster than expected...I don't want the take the risk that one of the top 10 WR's will still be on the board at #53.   Certainly not #103.   In fact I am not even sure I would risk trading back from #21.    I am all about having extra draft picks, but I almost hope Howie has a way to trade up a little bit (without having to sell the farm) and get one of the Top 4 WR's.   I would even consider trading a 2021 2nd round pick to move up somewhere between #10 and #16 if it would guarantee them one of the Top 3 or 4 WR's.

At this point I think my ideal draft might go...

1st Round - WR (trade up for one of the Top 3 or Top 4 WR's)

2nd Round - LB

3rd Round - WR

 

I’m an 80s nfl fan, and I’d love a stud LB as much as the next guy. But not at the expense of the WR position. 
 

but I agree with your ideal in rounds 1-3. That feels like the right balance/prioritization to me

6 minutes ago, Rhinoddd50 said:

I would have to agree.

There is a part of me that would love to see a Queen or Murray added to this defense.   With the Eagles playing so much Nickel, they really only need 1 stud LBer to anchor the Back 7, while the other no name LBers on the roster could fill in as needed based on down and distance, or the other LBers on the roster could be supplemented with 4th / 5th round type LBers.    But having that 1 stud LBer has the potential to really help the entire defense.

But Carson has to have better (and younger and faster) weapons.   And after seeing runs at certain "heavy" positions in recent past drafts (DL, OL, RB, etc) that were supposedly deep at those spots, and getting picked clean faster than expected...I don't want the take the risk that one of the top 10 WR's will still be on the board at #53.   Certainly not #103.   In fact I am not even sure I would risk trading back from #21.    I am all about having extra draft picks, but I almost hope Howie has a way to trade up a little bit (without having to sell the farm) and get one of the Top 4 WR's.   I would even consider trading a 2021 2nd round pick to move up somewhere between #10 and #16 if it would guarantee them one of the Top 3 or 4 WR's.

At this point I think my ideal draft might go...

1st Round - WR (trade up for one of the Top 3 or Top 4 WR's)

2nd Round - LB

3rd Round - WR

 

What would you suggest if the top 4 are gone and the trade up failed? What happens at 21?

2 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

That’s a pic from the 1999 draft, right?

99, 2000, 01, 02...2020...

On the one hand, Jacksonville taking a QB makes 4 QBs in the 1st round a possibility.
On the other hand, NYG trading down for more premium assets is a no for me. 

3 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Do you have some information other people don't?  He had Lisfranc surgery in December, which was widely reported as a 9 month injury, meaning he should be back when the season is normally supposed to start.

And its highly unlikely he gets traded due to his contract.  We're stuck with him for 1 more year.

Why do you keep ignoring the fact we have nothing at LB except a mediocre 4th rounder from a few years ago who lead the league in blown tackles last year?

We haven't drafted a LB in the 1st since 79.

And we wouldn't even be getting the best LB in the draft.

And if we don't have Alshon....   and we passed on WR?  You can't justify that homie.

13 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Do you have some information other people don't?  He had Lisfranc surgery in December, which was widely reported as a 9 month injury, meaning he should be back when the season is normally supposed to start.

And its highly unlikely he gets traded due to his contract.  We're stuck with him for 1 more year.

Why do you keep ignoring the fact we have nothing at LB except a mediocre 4th rounder from a few years ago who lead the league in blown tackles last year?

I have the same information that @blindside has been telling us for about 2 months now.  He expects to miss the start of the season, if not more... this coming via his uncle.  

Turns out he had BOTH feet in a boot, and was in a wheelchair in January.   And the 9 month recovery from the Lis Franc is the best case scenario, not the guarantee.  But, putting that aside, counting on a guy who is coming off a Lis Franc (over the age of 30) like he'll be the guy he was before the injury is also a bit overly optimistic.  

 

And, I'm not ignoring the facts about the LB situation.  I have my eyes wide open to that.  I am just much better returning what we had at LB next year and going forward with that (plus a mid-round pick or two and/or maybe a vet signing), than going into next year with the same slop at WR plus Desean and a mid-round pick.  And there's no WR out there as a vet that I'd be interested in adding, unless Howie has a trade up his sleeve or someone else pops free unexpectedly.

2 minutes ago, Green Dog said:

We haven't drafted a LB in the 1st since 79.

And we wouldn't even be getting the best LB in the draft.

And if we don't have Alshon....   and we passed on WR?  You can't justify that homie.

Sure I can.  We need a 3 down LB who can play in all situations, including as the only LB on the field in dime situations.  We currently have no one for that role.  It's extremely important.  Previously that guy was Nigel Bradham, who is no longer here because he declined majorly.

Whether its the best LB in the draft is irrelevant.  What matters is the grade of the LB prospect vs whatever WR prospect we're considering at #21.  if the LB has a higher grade that should be the pick instead of reaching for a WR.

5 minutes ago, TEW said:

If we could get Reagor/Mims and Higgins in 1/2 I would be elated.

I'd be good with that.  Not sure I could be 'elated' about it, but it wouldn't be bad.  

9 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

What would you suggest if the top 4 are gone and the trade up failed? What happens at 21?

Not directed at me, but I go Reagor/Mims/Aiyuk/Shenault.  Whoever's there, and whoever we have rated highest.

No hesitation whatsoever.

8 minutes ago, RLC said:

On the one hand, Jacksonville taking a QB makes 4 QBs in the 1st round a possibility.
On the other hand, NYG trading down for more premium assets is a no for me. 

Would they then go WR as well?