6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Listening to the inside the birds podcast, Reagor, like everyone else, is meeting with the coaches daily, but he’s also meeting with Doug and Howie quite a bit. They are planning on him playing the X and slot and are working with him on hand usage to defeat the press. They are planning to get him the ball in a variety of ways. 

If Reagor can play the X, then Jackson and Reagor can be on the field at the same time in 2 TE sets.

Just now, RLC said:

If Reagor can play the X, then Jackson and Reagor can be on the field at the same time in 2 TE sets.

Yup. They specifically said the Eagles want him opposite of DJax. 

 

2 hours ago, In2football said:

I suspect he goes on pup and they may activate him late in season depending on health/ performance of the WR group.

If he goes from PUP to IR are they able to activate as one of the 2 that can return from IR. I know there isnt a designation required under new rules but I am not sure if rules are different for a player starting on PUP

Pretty sure no. PUP to IR shuts down the season. Even if he could theoretically, just going by the time frames in the rules would mean they would have to make the playoffs for it to be even possible 

35 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Pretty sure no. PUP to IR shuts down the season. Even if he could theoretically, just going by the time frames in the rules would mean they would have to make the playoffs for it to be even possible 

That makes sense. 

So in this case wouldnt it make more sense to just IR him. That of course assumes they have an interest on him taking the field this season. 

 

 

4 hours ago, ManuManu said:

 

Duce also gets to run team meetings from time to time. 

Didn't someone say Alshon has pins in his feet too?

28 minutes ago, In2football said:

That makes sense. 

So in this case wouldnt it make more sense to just IR him. That of course assumes they have an interest on him taking the field this season. 

 

 

I don’t think they can, they probably have to go by procedure. Because the injury happened last season I think PUP is the only thing he can go on.

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Listening to the inside the birds podcast, Reagor, like everyone else, is meeting with the coaches daily, but he’s also meeting with Doug and Howie quite a bit. They are planning on him playing the X and slot and are working with him on hand usage to defeat the press. They are planning to get him the ball in a variety of ways. 

I read elsewhere that PFF charted press coverage and Xs face press between 30-50 percent of the time, but that was second hand. 

If Reagor can play slot it also means more opportunities for JJAW to get reps outside.

I’m not being glib — I’m sure the Eagles will look for whatever means possible to help JJAW develop.  They did spend a second round pick on him.

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

If Reagor can play slot it also means more opportunities for JJAW to get reps outside.

I’m not being glib — I’m sure the Eagles will look for whatever means possible to help JJAW develop.  They did spend a second round pick on him.

I think Reagor in the slot is just another way to threaten teams vertically and to manufacture touches for him. Mosher suggested he would do some of the same things Agholor did.

If it’s true that they want him to play the X as well, it’s a big shift in philosophy from the bigger, possession-type Xs. With two TEs, that’s a welcome sight. 

4 hours ago, In2football said:

I suspect he goes on pup and they may activate him late in season depending on health/ performance of the WR group.

If he goes from PUP to IR are they able to activate as one of the 2 that can return from IR. I know there isnt a designation required under new rules but I am not sure if rules are different for a player starting on PUP

No need to IR after PUP.   There is a window for activating for practice from PUP, then there's another window to either activate or IR.  Sydney Jones was activated from PUP the last week or two in 2017. 

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

Didn't someone say Alshon has pins in his feet too?

likely. thats the surgery for lisfranc. Sometimes pins, sometimes wires. or both. 

Would like Jackson and Reagor outside, and Goodwin in the slot.

Somewhat unrelated, 

Heres some Fran Duffy talking about Goodwin.

 

7 hours ago, BigEFly said:

From Jay Glazer’s column.  I hear Dino Vasso does a good job on film breakdown  now the Assistant Pass Defense Coordinator.  Maybe he can help players with this.   Asante was supposedly great on film work.

Jay, I hope all is well. What do you think is the best thing that players can do during this time to improve their game? —Aaron S. 

Really learn how to watch film. Football is a smart man’s game. The great ones can watch film and see the tiniest nuances. From how a guy lines up, how he places his hand, how he lines his right or left foot up or back, or if the heels are placed up or if the toes are faced out. You can pick up snap count, whether it’s a pass play or a run play, whether someone is blitzing, sometimes who’s getting the ball if it’s a pass play.

I’ll never forget watching a game with Ronde Barber on TV, he literally says before the snap, "This will be a 10-yard in-route to Laveranues Coles.” Sure enough, it was a 10-yard in-pattern to Laveranues Coles. I asked him how he knew that and he said when Laveranues runs an in-pattern he either raised his body in his at ace by 2 inches and his foot was lined up differently if he was going to run an in or an out. Sure enough, he was dead on. I always talk about guys knowing snap counts based on a twitch of someone’s elbow or a clap of the hand by the quarterback. I would really learn how to watch film and watch it over and over. When the snap of the ball happens, half the guessing game will already be taken out of it

The really smart QBs will spot those tendencies for pass rushers and pull them offsides. Wentz has proven to be very good at that. It comes from film study and whether that's Wentz seeing it on film or someone else bringing it to his attention, the result can be seen on the field. Veterans can do it to young guys but sometimes they catch their own players with the hard count or hand clap or off-rhythm snap. With QBs who don't do their homework, Barnett is very good at this from the DE side but he still can get suckered by the smarter QBs, though not as much as when he came into the league. My understanding is that he's very much a film junkie.

I recall a video with Stoutland talking about Dillard and how he counts steps based on which foot the DE has back. I'm not going to hunt it out but Stoutland's point was that Dillard knew when the DEDD could take an inside move based on his stance. Left foot back - inside on the first step or the third, right foot back - inside on the second or the fourth. Also, based on how wide the DE is split, the number of kick steps he needs to take to get to the right spot. And the key thing - the left leg exactly between the DE's two legs so that he can ride the guy either way. That's something I had sort of figured out many years ago but never had a coach who articulated it. In Dillard's case, he had that down when he came into the league. What he didn't have was the drop-dead anchor. With his foot and hand placement, stance recognition, and knee bend, tough to beat him inside or out. The bull rush is what's left. If he can take that away he's gonna be terrific.

3 hours ago, justrelax said:

The really smart QBs will spot those tendencies for pass rushers and pull them offsides. Wentz has proven to be very good at that. It comes from film study and whether that's Wentz seeing it on film or someone else bringing it to his attention, the result can be seen on the field. Veterans can do it to young guys but sometimes they catch their own players with the hard count or hand clap or off-rhythm snap. With QBs who don't do their homework, Barnett is very good at this from the DE side but he still can get suckered by the smarter QBs, though not as much as when he came into the league. My understanding is that he's very much a film junkie.

I recall a video with Stoutland talking about Dillard and how he counts steps based on which foot the DE has back. I'm not going to hunt it out but Stoutland's point was that Dillard knew when the DEDD could take an inside move based on his stance. Left foot back - inside on the first step or the third, right foot back - inside on the second or the fourth. Also, based on how wide the DE is split, the number of kick steps he needs to take to get to the right spot. And the key thing - the left leg exactly between the DE's two legs so that he can ride the guy either way. That's something I had sort of figured out many years ago but never had a coach who articulated it. In Dillard's case, he had that down when he came into the league. What he didn't have was the drop-dead anchor. With his foot and hand placement, stance recognition, and knee bend, tough to beat him inside or out. The bull rush is what's left. If he can take that away he's gonna be terrific.

Great stuff as usual, JR.  Do you suppose that they also show players film of themselves and point out their tells with suggestions on how to address?

I look at the thread title and get reminded of the QB factory, why have they never claimed they're an OL factory? Much more accurate. Turned kelce (6th round), vaitai (5th?), seumalo (3rd?), into completely capable starters (kelce could be HOF if he keeps playing). I thought Pryor didn't look too bad and then we'll see how mailata ends up. 

They've had far more success with molding OL than QBs, I'm sure the more knowledgeable cats in here can make a better case with more examples. 

4 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

No need to IR after PUP.   There is a window for activating for practice from PUP, then there's another window to either activate or IR.  Sydney Jones was activated from PUP the last week or two in 2017. 

I don’t think that is quite accurate. Player cannot practice at all prior to the season and remain on the preseason PUP list.  Placed on PUP at the end of the preseason.  After six weeks, the player can practice.  There is a five week period after that during which the player can begin to practice  Once the player starts to practice a twenty one day timer starts. By the twenty-first day the team must either activate or IR.  IIRC Jones was activated around week fifteen but inactive. That’s why he is a RFA next year because he has not accrued more than three years active. Expect Jones to challenge that if he plays and plays well this season. 

2 minutes ago, devpool said:

I look at the thread title and get reminded of the QB factory, why have they never claimed they're an OL factory? Much more accurate. Turned kelce (6th round), vaitai (5th?), seumalo (3rd?), into completely capable starters (kelce could be HOF if he keeps playing). I thought Pryor didn't look too bad and then we'll see how mailata ends up. 

They've had far more success with molding OL than QBs, I'm sure the more knowledgeable cats in here can make a better case with more examples. 

The whole QB factory was to explain the pick. In reality, OL factory makes as much sense. 

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

I don’t think that is quite accurate. Player cannot practice at all prior to the season and remain on the preseason PUP list.  Placed on PUP at the end of the preseason.  After six weeks, the player can practice.  There is a five week period after that during which the player can begin to practice  Once the player starts to practice a twenty one day timer starts. By the twenty-first day the team must either activate or IR.  IIRC Jones was activated around week fifteen but inactive. That’s why he is a RFA next year because he has not accrued more than three years active. Expect Jones to challenge that if he plays and plays well this season. 

I'm pretty sure Jones was active for the meaningless finale against the Cowboys. I was so sick that weekend (flu) that I had to miss that game, so sick in fact that I wouldn't have been able to attend even if was meaningful. Including the preseason and playoffs, the Eagles went 14-0 that year in games that I attended in person. 

11 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I'm pretty sure Jones was active for the meaningless finale against the Cowboys. I was so sick that weekend (flu) that I had to miss that game, so sick in fact that I wouldn't have been able to attend even if was meaningful. Including the preseason and playoffs, the Eagles went 14-0 that year in games that I attended in person. 

Yup. Jones was activated at the end when Walker went on IR. Before he was just practicing but not officially moved from NFI list to the active roster.

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

I don’t think that is quite accurate. Player cannot practice at all prior to the season and remain on the preseason PUP list.  Placed on PUP at the end of the preseason.  After six weeks, the player can practice.  There is a five week period after that during which the player can begin to practice  Once the player starts to practice a twenty one day timer starts. By the twenty-first day the team must either activate or IR.  IIRC Jones was activated around week fifteen but inactive. That’s why he is a RFA next year because he has not accrued more than three years active. Expect Jones to challenge that if he plays and plays well this season. 

It’s 6 weeks on the list, 6 more weeks they have to practice and then 21 days they have to move to the active roster or they move to IR and lose the season. Also, Jones is a RFA because he was on the NFI list. If he was PUP it counts as an accrued season. 

55 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I'm pretty sure Jones was active for the meaningless finale against the Cowboys. I was so sick that weekend (flu) that I had to miss that game, so sick in fact that I wouldn't have been able to attend even if was meaningful. Including the preseason and playoffs, the Eagles went 14-0 that year in games that I attended in person. 

Attention Eagles.  Regardless of what you do as to Covid 19, Franklin needs to be in attendance!

36 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It’s 6 weeks on the list, 6 more weeks they have to practice and then 21 days they have to move to the active roster or they move to IR and lose the season. Also, Jones is a RFA because he was on the NFI list. If he was PUP it counts as an accrued season. 

Good point. I agree with NFI designation for Jones. Good memory. 

10 hours ago, BigEFly said:

I don’t think that is quite accurate. Player cannot practice at all prior to the season and remain on the preseason PUP list.  Placed on PUP at the end of the preseason.  After six weeks, the player can practice.  There is a five week period after that during which the player can begin to practice  Once the player starts to practice a twenty one day timer starts. By the twenty-first day the team must either activate or IR.  IIRC Jones was activated around week fifteen but inactive. That’s why he is a RFA next year because he has not accrued more than three years active. Expect Jones to challenge that if he plays and plays well this season. 

The window to participate in practice starts in week 6, but extends to week 10.   Then 3 weeks of practice before the final determination needs to be made to activate or IR for the rest of the season.  

Point being, if he's not ready by the end of that window, then an extra 2 weeks won't matter.  IRing him at the beginning to make him eligible to return from IR isn't necessary.  They get up to 13 weeks free without spending a roster spot on him.  There's no need for the team to IR him earlier so that he could return.

 

You are correct on Jones, he was only active on game day the last week against Dallas when they rested as many players as they could afford for the playoffs.  But he wasn't added to the roster until week 13 or 14.

 

Jeffery won't be ready to practice with the team until the season is underway.  Best case scenario, he'd be ready by the Opener... but that would be the soonest, based on the timetables I've seen.  Plus the word from blindside makes it sound like the best case scenario isn't even close to possible.  Point being: he starts on PUP, and stays there until ready or goes to IR permanently.  Only 2 can come off IR now, and Jeffery won't need to be one of them.

Training camp or whatever should be very interesting in the receiver dept. We may have gold and talent dripping everywhere or we may have squat. Could go either way at tis point honestly

10 hours ago, devpool said:

I look at the thread title and get reminded of the QB factory, why have they never claimed they're an OL factory? Much more accurate. Turned kelce (6th round), vaitai (5th?), seumalo (3rd?), into completely capable starters (kelce could be HOF if he keeps playing). I thought Pryor didn't look too bad and then we'll see how mailata ends up. 

They've had far more success with molding OL than QBs, I'm sure the more knowledgeable cats in here can make a better case with more examples. 

Indeed, they have developed more OL players than QBs.  Some may not reach the level of Pro-Bowl or beyond, but serviceable players around the league.

This QB thing started when AR was here, maybe even further back from Green Bay where they all learned their craft.  AR would draft QBs even there was no need to have one, and kept one on the roster in many seasons.  Doug follows and keeps it going.  To call it "Factory" is a bit over the top.  Like someone suggested, it was to justify the drafting of Hurts in the 2nd round, when Wentz is firmly at #1.