2 hours ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Aside from durability, the only concerns I have with Wentz are: a) his propensity to fumble; and b) the fact that he gets passes batted at the line more often than you would expect from a quarterback as tall as he is [long release]. Other than that, I think he's brilliant.

Agree

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

See above. 

The point stands.

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Screen plays are specifically excluded from this metric. 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24892208/creating-better-nfl-pass-blocking-pass-rushing-stats-analytics-explainer-faq-how-work

Interesting, didn't know they would be able to do that. I still think there is something dramatically altering their rankings though. 19th out of 32 doesn't make a lick of sense when you watch the games. 

54 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

My biggest concern, which coincide to your first two points, is his natural instinct to feel like he needs to be Houdini.  

Last year he did need to be Houdini.

5 minutes ago, PrinceKelby said:

See and that is the main area I saw progress with Wentz in taking what was there and not going for the home run as in times past.

I thought he matured a ton throughout the year in that regard.

I believe he did, dramatically down the stretch.  Of course, people will point to the cheap shot he took from Clowney as an example of him holding the ball too long and trying to do too much.   Of course, that's just who he is and taking that away from him would be to essentially neuter him.  Cheap shots happen as the result of a player who has no regard for the game or the opponent, but only for himself.  And there's no way that Wentz can protect himself from cheap shots... they will happen to any player whenever another player decides its worth it to him.   Wentz was clearly a 'defenseless' player as he headed to the turf, and was clearly speared in the back of the head.  The fact that more wasn't made of this, and that the NFL looked the other way, including Runyan and Vincent makes me all the more sick about it.  There's no defense for that kind of play.  In the 1950's that was allowed, because the player wasn't down when his knee hit, but only when forward progress was stopped.  Over 50 years later, that's all kinds of wrong by any number of definitions.

7 minutes ago, macgregor said:

If the Eagles ever change to that I for sure will never buy another jersey

7 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Interesting, didn't know they would be able to do that. I still think there is something dramatically altering their rankings though. 19th out of 32 doesn't make a lick of sense when you watch the games. 

Couldn’t say. I don’t study other OLs. Perhaps Wentz had a lot of three step drops designed to get the ball out quickly but couldn’t due to poor WR play (and his own desire to play aggressively or to extend plays) and the OL got dinged on the score? Or maybe we overrated the line? Couldn’t say. 

These metrics aren’t percent (and the creator admits that as well), but these kinds of tools are pretty useful IMO. I really don’t understand the pushback against them, particularly from armchair scouts like us here in the Blog. 

Different streams if you want to watch

33 minutes ago, greend said:

If the Eagles ever change to that I for sure will never buy another jersey

It looks like a soccer jersey.

 

 

15 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

I don't think a sky judge is needed, but I'd like for them to have some sort of unanimous common sense policy if there is an egregious F up during a game. This is basically what they did in the Houston/Buffalo playoff game last season when Carter caught the kickoff in the end zone, flipped it to the ref, and they initially ruled it a fumble. They got together immediately to let common sense prevail. If something like that happens where someone can buzz in from the replay booth and say "Hey, you guys royally F'd this up and it needs to be overturned" I'm fine with that. 

I don't need this for subjective calls like holding. But rather more of a "break glass in case of emergency" situation. 

27 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Different streams if you want to watch

Launch has been scrubbed :(

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That also requires holding the ball longer... but then Carson will get criticized for holding the ball too long.  Or, he'll be on the move, and he'll take a hit that people don't think he should have and he'll be criticized for being reckless.   

The poor kid put up great numbers with Larry, Moe and Curly at WR... and yet, here we are debating what he did wrong, or what he needs to understand.   God forbid we recognize that he was put in an unenviable situation that no franchise QB should ever have to face... and did far more with it than should have been reasonably expected... Carson goes out and does what he does, and he needs to 'not regress'... We just can't have nice things around here it seems.  

 

Carson doesn't need to understand anything about 2017.  I have no idea what you are driving at that he doesn't understand.  He does what the coaches ask him to do.  That's his job.  And frankly, I'll say it again, he was the least of the problems on the offense last year.  The problems were generally greatest outside the numbers... they had no one outside that could force a defense to play them honestly, and he had no idea on a given play that his receivers would be in the spot he was supposed to look for them to be.  2019 wasn't Carson Wentz' issue.  It was the front office failing to actually have the right pieces in place (I remember being against Agholor's 5th year option at $9M before the season, because he wasn't worth that).  It was the front office's issue for not having a second speed option available (as the offense clearly needs to have at least one legitimate speed threat to be most effective) and they should have recognized only having 1 aging speed option was a problem after 2018 and losing Wallace after Week 1.  Further, it was the coaching staff's fault for not recognizing the need to move the pocket more often earlier in the season than they did.  It was the coaching staff's fault for not recognizing that JJAW needed LESS on his plate to focus on.  It was the coaching staff's and front office's fault for not recognizing that bringing back Jordan Matthews was a non-starter.  It was the coaching staff's fault for not moving Greg Ward up the depth chart sooner than they did, because he was the best WR option they had left on the roster.  Carson needs to 'take what the defense is giving him' more, and we saw that down the stretch as well.  It wasn't hero ball, it was methodical.  This coming year, what the defense gives them will likely include some more deep shots than last year... just like we saw against Washington.  Carson didn't force the ball deep to Desean, he took it when it was there.  Heck, the first TD Desean's route was just a clear out, and not actually a read, but Wentz saw him on that route early and told him if he got the same look from the defense again, to look for the ball... and it paid off.    No, this isn't a Carson issue.  This was a personnel and scheme issue.  Carson will be just fine.   He needs to keep doing what he's been doing, and he needs to stay on the field.  That's it.  Everything else around him will be fine.  No more nit-picking.  Its been done to death.  No QB is perfect.  But, I'll take my chances with Wentz over 29 other starting QBs in this league... and I'd say its more a tie between Mahomes, Watson and Wentz than it is either of them being above him.  And Lamar Jackson means completely overhauling the offense, so he's in a separate category.   Brees, Rodgers and Brady are too old to even consider.  Wentz has some things to work on, certainly, but its not about what he does or doesn't 'understand'.  I'm pretty sure he 'understands' the NFL far better than you, me or anyone else posting on the EMB.

That is a problem he needs to work on.

We really aren’t disagreeing much. I think Carson needs to look at what he can do better.  I think Doug and company really need to look at what they can do better.  I think where Carson struggled, they are mostly at least equally at fault (except the fumbles).  I think preferring Carson over all but three starters is hyperbole but he is clearly top ten with the right supporting cast and game plan.  They made steps to fix those issues this offseason.  I would really like to here about Carson working with his WRs in the next month.  I do hope he is working on the fumbling.  

2 hours ago, justrelax said:

Definitely an issue and I think they are addressing it with the Scangarello hire. Lots of motion, moving the pocket, different protections, heavy play-action, all designed to give the QB a little more time.

That’s what we need to see.

1 hour ago, macgregor said:

What the heck is this?  Is it some "fan jersey" Nike is selling?

23 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

"No fans or spectators are permitted on interior or exterior venue property"

Guess that means no media coverage. That sucks.

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

"No fans or spectators are permitted on interior or exterior venue property"

Guess that means no media coverage. That sucks.

I wonder if they would set them up with a video feed for portions of the practice. 

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

We really aren’t disagreeing much. I think Carson needs to look at what he can do better.  I think Doug and company really need to look at what they can do better.  I think where Carson struggled, they are mostly at least equally at fault (except the fumbles).  I think preferring Carson over all but three starters is hyperbole but he is clearly top ten with the right supporting cast and game plan.  They made steps to fix those issues this offseason.  I would really like to here about Carson working with his WRs in the next month.  I do hope he is working on the fumbling.  

Believe what you want.  Find me some others that you'd rather have moving forward.  I'd take Wentz over all except the ones I mentioned.  Maybe you won't, but just because we disagree doesn't mean that it's hyperbole.  You could add Wilson to that list if you'd like.   But, in the NFC, it's Wentz at the top with Wilson. Forget Prescott and the rest of the NFC East isn't worth discussing.  NFC South - Brees and Brady are done after this year... frankly, I think Brady was done before this.  Ryan is meh.  NFC West - Wilson.  Garrappolo is a guy that his team is trying desperately to hide.  Murray hasn't done enough to get consideration.  Goff is a puppet of McVay, he's not in Wentz' class.  Give Goff top half in the NFC, sure... but not at the top of the crop.  

AFC - Mahomes and Watson, and I'd put Wentz clearly above Watson.  Watson throws a lot of INTs compared to Wentz.  (the counter point would be the fumbles favor Watson).  But, Wentz has also never had a guy like Hopkins to throw to... Imagine what his numbers could be if he had.  Lamar Jackson is in a class by himself as he's so unique.  And frankly, none of the others in the AFC warrant much discussion.  Rivers and Rothlisberger are fossils.  Tannehill is a game manager.  The rest... a whole lot of 'meh'. 

 

Just now, ManuManu said:

I wonder if they would set them up with a video feed for portions of the practice. 

Hopefully, these guys have jobs too and are already getting desperate to write articles. You can only write so many times about the same talking points which was probably wrung dry since April by now. I don't know if I would hold my breath though. Eagles are probably loving the lack of coverage. 

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Hopefully, these guys have jobs too and are already getting desperate to write articles. You can only write so many times about the same talking points which was probably wrung dry since April by now. I don't know if I would hold my breath though. Eagles are probably loving the lack of coverage. 

The NFL would want there to be coverage to drive up frenzy even more. 

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

What the heck is this?  Is it some "fan jersey" Nike is selling?

Looks like a ladies jersey for "fans" that don't watch football

6 minutes ago, psr said:

Looks like a ladies jersey for "fans" that don't watch football

peripheral participation lol

History Channel is running a mini-series on Grant.  Final episode is tonight.  I haven't watched it yet, but I am starting it now.  Looks like 3 episodes, 2 hours each.  

 

Verizon has the first two episodes on-demand.  I'm sure after the 3rd airs tonight, they will make that one available as well.

 

@justrelax  @BigEFly   Might be worth the view.   Might not.  🤷‍♂️

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Without a mini-camp/training camp schedule it's not a big deal now.  Will they take 5 weeks off before TC as usual this year?

 

2 hours ago, West_Philly said:

Launch has been scrubbed 😞

Pushed to Saturday 3:22 PM because of elevated levels of atmospheric electricity.  Probably not great when you're using large amounts of liquid oxygen propelled rocket fuel.

Thing is, Saturday is supposed to be even worse.  Think I heard them say Sunday is the next backup date.