4 hours ago, Original Sin said:

Should have been wearing mask from day 1...all you heard was they wont help , now mask are mandatory. 

4% of worlds population, 34 % of worlds cases, this was a failure of epic proportions,  and starts at the top.

 

It was never fake news nor a democratic hoax, cases weren't going from 15 to zero in a cpl weeks.

I just wonder if we ought not take the same approach with the flu.   Even with a vaccine, it is pretty deadly, especially with vulnerable populations. 

2 hours ago, jsb235 said:

Here's a nice breakdown on Trevor Williams.

Obviously injuries are an issue, but if he stays healthy, I think he has a chance to not only make the roster, but push for a starting job. Also, he doesn't seem to have any chronic issues, but more hard luck injuries, and may have gotten hurt last year trying to rush back.

When you look at the Eagles, they need some things to go right for the defense to start playing well. Slay needs to be really good in our system. The dline needs to stay healthy/play at the level that reflects how much they are getting paid. Two linebackers have to emerge to give us at least competent play at the position. One of Mills/Wallace/Parks has to adequately replace Jenkins. And, perhaps most importantly, someone has to give us decent play at the CB2 spot.

When you look at this kid, he has the ability to get the job done. And if he stays healthy, it could give us the first decent cornerback combo we have had around these parts since, well, it's been a long time.  

Folks may have noticed I keep throwing Williams in when I discuss the secondary.  Fits better than Rasul in that he is the type that allows the Eagles to play more Cover   1 and less Cover 3. 

53 minutes ago, TEW said:

You need generational hardship. One off hardship is an exception to the rule, something to be viewed as an outlier to the norm. Mindsets change when people live the majority of their lives in hardship and life is viewed through a a terrible prism.

COVID doesn’t even approach hard times. Yeah, a lot of old people have died, but most people are basically just bored sitting at home getting fat. If anything, I fear it has made people worse. Everything is delivered to their door. The only "hardship” for most people is not being able to go to bars and restaurants.

theres certainly a LOT more than that. 

18 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

theres certainly a LOT more than that. 

For most people? Not really.

Just now, TEW said:

For most people? Not really.

yes.

16 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

theres certainly a LOT more than that. 

Yup.  So many small business owners are going to lose their livelihood and life savings because of this.  This is where the arguments are so frustrating.  People who protest to open the state and country back up aren't doing it so they can get a haircut or for the stock market, they are protesting and begging to get back to work at a business that may have been handed down through generations or they saved up for to finally open all to see it just melt away.  

The mental issues are going to be huge.  From people who can't afford their mortgage, have lost their job, live alone with no one to see and on and on and on.  

This will have lasting effects on MANY Americans.  It's sad to think about and even sadder that people don't understand that.

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Yup.  So many small business owners are going to lose their livelihood and life savings because of this.  This is where the arguments are so frustrating.  People who protest to open the state and country back up aren't doing it so they can get a haircut or for the stock market, they are protesting and begging to get back to work at a business that may have been handed down through generations or they saved up for to finally open all to see it just melt away.  

The mental issues are going to be huge.  From people who can't afford their mortgage, have lost their job, live alone with no one to see and on and on and on.  

This will have lasting effects on MANY Americans.  It's sad to think about and even sadder that people don't understand that.

 

Since you liked the last zdogg video I posted, this one closely relates to what youve said here. I liked listening to his ideas about a balanced way to move forward balancing the give and take between the "3 buckets" as he referred to them. 

 

2 minutes ago, TEW said:

For most people? Not really.

What are we up to 40 million people with no jobs...many of those jobs won't be offered to come back to?

Reporters ask the President. What number of deaths are acceptable for Americans to be OK with.  If you consider the initial numbers were 2.2 million deaths projected and as of now we are "only" at 100k (I'm not saying deaths are a good thing, I'm comparing to a projection).  So the same question can be asked...how many jobs have to be lost before we say OK that's enough we need to get back to work.  

We were told from the beginning on March 16 when this all started that it was a 2 week lockdown to flatten the curve.  In those 2 weeks, "onily" 700,000 Americans lost their jobs.  That was the initial time frame.  Now the goal posts keep moving.  The curve has been MORE than flattened and people are still losing their jobs.  

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Yup.  So many small business owners are going to lose their livelihood and life savings because of this.  This is where the arguments are so frustrating.  People who protest to open the state and country back up aren't doing it so they can get a haircut or for the stock market, they are protesting and begging to get back to work at a business that may have been handed down through generations or they saved up for to finally open all to see it just melt away.  

The mental issues are going to be huge.  From people who can't afford their mortgage, have lost their job, live alone with no one to see and on and on and on.  

This will have lasting effects on MANY Americans.  It's sad to think about and even sadder that people don't understand that.

Sadly, many are though. They believe the government is treading on their liberties. And many of those refuse to wear masks or frequent stores that require them to wear one for the same reason. The lack of respect for others during a pandemic is disgusting. 

5 minutes ago, TEW said:

For most people? Not really.

I'm sorry, but this attitude is extremely frustrating. I don't understand how anyone can be so dismissive of the destructive effects from shutting down the economy for a couple of months. There are millions of people in this country right now that are on the brink of economic collapse. These are people that have families. Just because this shutdown is nothing more than an extended vacation for some people, that doesn't mean it's like that for everyone else. 

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Sadly, many are though. They believe the government is treading on their liberties. And many of those refuse to wear masks or frequent stores that require them to wear one for the same reason. The lack of respect for others during a pandemic is disgusting. 

Most protests start with good intentions but you are going to get the bad apples with a different mindset.  I think that's why half a town was burnt down.  Good intentions to start...others with different agenda to ruin it.

You look at the ReOpen PA protests.   The intention is to open business back up.  I agree with that.  What it turned in to was Trump merchandise being sold and whatnot.  

6 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Most protests start with good intentions but you are going to get the bad apples with a different mindset.  I think that's why half a town was burnt down.  Good intentions to start...others with different agenda to ruin it.

You look at the ReOpen PA protests.   The intention is to open business back up.  I agree with that.  What it turned in to was Trump merchandise being sold and whatnot.  

Agreed. 

3 hours ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

So, did y'all hear the Eagles drafted Jalen Hurts?

That felt like 10 years ago. 

30 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

I'm sorry, but this attitude is extremely frustrating. I don't understand how anyone can be so dismissive of the destructive effects from shutting down the economy for a couple of months. There are millions of people in this country right now that are on the brink of economic collapse. These are people that have families. Just because this shutdown is nothing more than an extended vacation for some people, that doesn't mean it's like that for everyone else. 

Oh, trust me, I work in finance and I think the economy is F’d more than most people could possibly understand.
 

But as of right now the majority of people haven’t really felt much impact. Most people still have jobs, of the people who lost jobs most have UE, a stimulus check and non eviction orders from the government which has blunted the impact.

This isn’t to say there isn’t any pain being felt. There is. But it’s not yet some all encompassing societal cataclysm. I think it very well could be, but we’re not there yet.

People think we are in the middle of this. We’re not. This is the middle of the beginning.

40 minutes ago, TEW said:

For most people? Not really.

I can and do take out at my favorite restaurants, with booze since the new bill signed by Wolf to insure to what extant I can, they survive.  I tip even more than before the pandemic.  I have already decided that once my haircut place reopens, I am paying for that first cut what I would have for each cut I would have had and tipping the same way.  I was thrilled to go to yellow to socially distance shop at my local small businesses.  I don’t frequent bars much anymore, but most of those are small businesses. 

But look at the looming layoffs in airlines.  Look at the 17k Boeing let go.  It’s not inconvenience on bars and restaurants.  And our medical provider colleagues, my cousins and friends in that community, look at the toll on them. 

8 minutes ago, TEW said:

Oh, trust me, I work in finance and I think the economy is F’d more than most people could possibly understand.
 

But as of right now the majority of people haven’t really felt much impact. Most people still have jobs, of the people who lost jobs most have UE, a stimulus check and non eviction orders from the government which has blunted the impact.

This isn’t to say there isn’t any pain being felt. There is. But it’s not yet some all encompassing societal cataclysm. I think it very well could be, but we’re not there yet.

People think we are in the middle of this. We’re not. This is the middle of the beginning.

Well, if you understand that I don't understand how you could say that the only hardship people are experiencing is not going to restaurants and bars.

2 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I can and do take out at my favorite restaurants, with booze since the new bill signed by Wolf to insure to what extant I can, they survive.  I tip even more than before the pandemic.  I have already decided that once my haircut place reopens, I am paying for that first cut what I would have for each cut I would have had and tipping the same way.  I was thrilled to go to yellow to socially distance shop at my local small businesses.  I don’t frequent bars much anymore, but most of those are small businesses. 

But look at the looming layoffs in airlines.  Look at the 17k Boeing let go.  It’s not inconvenience on bars and restaurants.  And our medical provider colleagues, my cousins and friends in that community, look at the toll on them. 

I've gone back and forth on this.  I usually tip 20% and have been keeping it around the same when I get takeout.  I love my barber, have had the same one for about 5 years now.  I bought clippers and learned to do it myself now however so now I'm torn.  Do I go back when I can or just keep doing it myself?  

I work in hospitality and our industry has been destroyed. 8 out of 10 hotel workers have been laid off.  90% of motorcoach operators are shut down and laid off.  Meeting planners have nothing to plan.  It's a mess.  

 

2 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I can and do take out at my favorite restaurants, with booze since the new bill signed by Wolf to insure to what extant I can, they survive.  I tip even more than before the pandemic.  I have already decided that once my haircut place reopens, I am paying for that first cut what I would have for each cut I would have had and tipping the same way.  I was thrilled to go to yellow to socially distance shop at my local small businesses.  I don’t frequent bars much anymore, but most of those are small businesses. 

But look at the looming layoffs in airlines.  Look at the 17k Boeing let go.  It’s not inconvenience on bars and restaurants.  And our medical provider colleagues, my cousins and friends in that community, look at the toll on them. 

Yeah, there are definitely specific parts of the economy that got hammered, but most have been insulted so far.

Personal opinion: we could be looking at an Armageddon type of situation. But it’s not here yet. What will be fascinating to watch is the continued divergence between the "real economy” and financial markets coupled with Cold War II brewing with China, which seems to be shaping up to be fought along economic and propaganda lines rather than the kinetic proxy wars of the 20th century.

The Fed is pulling out all the stops, I think Congress has the green light to basically spend whatever it wants, but we’ve been at the edge of diminishing returns of economic policy intervention for over a decade now, and now we are dealing with a Thucydides trap on top of it... we live in interesting times.

10 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

Well, if you understand that I don't understand how you could say that the only hardship people are experiencing is not going to restaurants and bars.

Because we’re not there yet.

The majority of the country has been working. They even got a little cash bonus from Uncle Sam even though they were still employed.

The real pain is going to come later IMO.

7 minutes ago, TEW said:

Because we’re not there yet.

The majority of the country has been working. They even got a little cash bonus from Uncle Sam even though they were still employed.

The real pain is going to come later IMO.

You need to consider the effect this is having on mental health, abusive relationships, alcoholic and drug addictions.  Parents who are being forced to teach their kids but aren't up to the challenge.  Senior athletes in high school and college who will never get that last season they worked so hard for.

This is SO much more than restaurants and bars.

12 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

You need to consider the effect this is having on mental health, abusive relationships, alcoholic and drug addictions.  Parents who are being forced to teach their kids but aren't up to the challenge.  Senior athletes in high school and college who will never get that last season they worked so hard for.

This is SO much more than restaurants and bars.

yep. and still so much more.

just happened to come across this article as I scroll down the news page on yahoo.

 

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https://www.yahoo.com/gma/cdc-offer-conflicting-advice-masks-expert-tells-us-215000287.html

So why are they offering conflicting guidance on wearing masks during the pandemic?

The answer may come down to practicality, according to Dr. William Schaffner, medical director of the National Foundation for Infectious Diseases.

At this point in the United States' outbreak, nearly everyone can find a mask or make one, Schaffner explained, which may not be true in every country around the world, especially countries with fewer resources than the U.S.

Advising universal mask wearing in a place where it's impossible to adhere to that guidance could hurt the WHO's reputation in those countries, he explained.

Another possible risk in places where masks aren't universally available is the potential for health care workers to be unable to get them, leaving them unprotected while caring for sick patients. Earlier in the U.S. outbreak, when masks were scarcer, Surgeon General Jerome Adams told everyday Americans to stop buying masks for this very reason.

"A lot of public heath is how can we take the theory and the science and bring it down the the average person," Schaffner said. "Public health has to be practical. Otherwise it doesn't work."

 

 

boom.

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

I've gone back and forth on this.  I usually tip 20% and have been keeping it around the same when I get takeout.  I love my barber, have had the same one for about 5 years now.  I bought clippers and learned to do it myself now however so now I'm torn.  Do I go back when I can or just keep doing it myself?  

I work in hospitality and our industry has been destroyed. 8 out of 10 hotel workers have been laid off.  90% of motorcoach operators are shut down and laid off.  Meeting planners have nothing to plan.  It's a mess.  

 

I am planning to travel some this summer but no airplanes until there is a vaccine. No buses either.  I feel bad for those industries.  

22 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I am planning to travel some this summer but no airplanes until there is a vaccine. No buses either.  I feel bad for those industries.  

I cancelled our vacation for the summer.  We were going to go to Chattanooga and Stone Mountain.  But, we weren't sure about the restrictions.  Ruby Falls is opening, but at limited capacity.  The Aquarium likely will too, but with limitations, etc.   So, we are just ''stay-cationing'.  

19 hours ago, greend said:

Is it too much to ask that a bunch of looters get covid virus?  Also the guilty cops get prosecuted ?

Guilty cops should be prosecuted, yes. 
 

I wouldn’t wish Covid on looters and rioters since they’re scumbaggish enough to inject themselves into other mass gatherings to get many more infected.