2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Gentleman, I know it's miniscule in comparison to George Floyd's death, additional police violence, the destruction of our great cities, senseless beating of other Americans and additional deaths during the riots (why doesn't the media even mention these?) but we are going to see pre-game political demonstrations from players like we have never seen before. 

Get ready for a year of sports where the actual games take a back seat to the corona virus and players making their voice heard.  I can't wait for sports to be here but I want them as en escape from this horrible reality we are going through right now.  I don't see that being the case.  Might be a good idea for the NFL to just scrap the National Anthem this year.  It's a shame that we were all on the same page in agreeing what a complete POS that officer was and how there needs to be justice but now our country is even further divided. 

How do you know this is happening? Is it because the media actually is reporting it?

A police officer was ambushed and shot while on patrol two blocks from my old house. How do I know? Because every local media outlet reported it. They then carried live coverage of the police chief and mayor discussing the situation and ordering a curfew. How do people know there is a curfew? Because the media is reporting it. 

So get out of here with all the media blame. If you think they aren’t mentioning these things, you aren’t paying attention. 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

How do you know this is happening? Is it because the media actually is reporting it?

A police officer was ambushed and shot while on patrol two blocks from my old house. How do I know? Because every local media outlet reported it. They then carried live coverage of the police chief and mayor discussing the situation and ordering a curfew. How do people know there is a curfew? Because the media is reporting it. 

So get out of here with all the media blame. If you think they aren’t mentioning these things, you aren’t paying attention. 

I'm going to continue to blame the media when important issues are buried and hardly given any light.  They are barely a mention in articles I have read, almost a by the way someone was killed during a protest.  Give me a break.  The media could and should do a better job at unifying instead of painting the picture they want.  

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

I'm going to continue to blame the media when important issues are buried and hardly given any light.  They are barely a mention in articles I have read, almost a by the way someone was killed during a protest.  Give me a break.  The media could and should do a better job at unifying instead of painting the picture they want.  

As always, blame the media, even though they are the only reason you know about what’s happening. At least you are acknowledging that they mention the deaths and violence. That’s a start. 

I often wonder what would have happened if Michael Vick stayed healthy in 2013. He was perfect for Chip's offense. Nick was great down the stretch, but Chip's QBs need to to threat to run for the run game to work.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

As always, blame the media, even though they are the only reason you know about what’s happening. At least you are acknowledging that they mention the deaths and violence. That’s a start. 

They can barely even mention the violence though. They don't admit any of it.  While our cities burn, landmarks are covered with spray paint, memorials for the men who fought for our freedom are defaced the media still says people are just out there expressing their frustrations and protesting.  Open your eyes man. 

Just for a minute, comb through headlines, photos and look at how things are portrayed.  Stand back with an open mind and read things not with one side or the other on your mind.  Just read them and then really look at the message being sent.  

I'm not blaming the media for 100% of the issues but what I am blaming them for is adding fuel to the fire, painting the picture they want and not helping mend the United States.  They could unify us. 

There are SO MANY images of police standing down, arm in arm with their African American protester brothers working together but we don't see them...ever.  Be honest with yourself man.  Look at what is put out there for us.  You've gotta comb through page after page after page to find one good thing.

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

They can barely even mention the violence though. They don't admit any of it.  While our cities burn, landmarks are covered with spray paint, memorials for the men who fought for our freedom are defaced the media still says people are just out there expressing their frustrations and protesting.  Open your eyes man. 

Just for a minute, comb through headlines, photos and look at how things are portrayed.  Stand back with an open mind and read things not with one side or the other on your mind.  Just read them and then really look at the message being sent.  

I'm not blaming the media for 100% of the issues but what I am blaming them for is adding fuel to the fire, painting the picture they want and not helping mend the United States.  They could unify us. 

There are SO MANY images of police standing down, arm in arm with their African American protester brothers working together but we don't see them...ever.  Be honest with yourself man.  Look at what is put out there for us.  You've gotta comb through page after page after page to find one good thing.

BS. You know about all of this (or close to all of it) because of the media. How is this even an argument?

You’re being absurd right now. Journalists have been pepper sprayed, arrested and shot with rubber bullets to bring you news from the front lines, and you’re telling me to be honest with myself? And for the record, your dishonest comment I bolded earlier is what started this conversation. 

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

They can barely even mention the violence though. They don't admit any of it.  While our cities burn, landmarks are covered with spray paint, memorials for the men who fought for our freedom are defaced the media still says people are just out there expressing their frustrations and protesting.  Open your eyes man. 

Just for a minute, comb through headlines, photos and look at how things are portrayed.  Stand back with an open mind and read things not with one side or the other on your mind.  Just read them and then really look at the message being sent.  

I'm not blaming the media for 100% of the issues but what I am blaming them for is adding fuel to the fire, painting the picture they want and not helping mend the United States.  They could unify us. 

There are SO MANY images of police standing down, arm in arm with their African American protester brothers working together but we don't see them...ever.  Be honest with yourself man.  Look at what is put out there for us.  You've gotta comb through page after page after page to find one good thing.

Not sure what you're arguing here -- I get mostly CNN here in Canada for US news coverage and they have field reporters walking down these streets and showing the looting, destruction and fires.  They've also shown Minnesota and New York cops walking with protesters.

Media coverage in the US has a slant on it depending which network you're viewing.  It's crucial that viewers watch multiple sources and gather different points of view 

7 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

They can barely even mention the violence though. They don't admit any of it.  While our cities burn, landmarks are covered with spray paint, memorials for the men who fought for our freedom are defaced the media still says people are just out there expressing their frustrations and protesting.  Open your eyes man. 

Just for a minute, comb through headlines, photos and look at how things are portrayed.  Stand back with an open mind and read things not with one side or the other on your mind.  Just read them and then really look at the message being sent.  

I'm not blaming the media for 100% of the issues but what I am blaming them for is adding fuel to the fire, painting the picture they want and not helping mend the United States.  They could unify us. 

There are SO MANY images of police standing down, arm in arm with their African American protester brothers working together but we don't see them...ever.  Be honest with yourself man.  Look at what is put out there for us.  You've gotta comb through page after page after page to find one good thing.

Bro, you need to stop reading whatever articles approved by editors you're talking about and turn on the TV.  Cut out all the editorializing and see these things with your own eyes.

I should also mention that due to low revenue, newspapers that already are running on a skeleton crew are now doing so with even less because reporters, photographers and editors are on mandatory furloughs to save money during the pandemic. If you want better journalism, subscribe to your local paper. 

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

BS. You know about all of this (or close to all of it) because of the media. How is this even an argument?

You’re being absurd right now. Journalists have been pepper sprayed, arrested and shot with rubber bullets to bring you news from the front lines, and you’re telling me to be honest with myself? And for the record, your dishonest comment I bolded earlier is what started this conversation. 

Was just going to mention this.  I have been watching a couple diff networks throughout the last few days, and the number of press getting hit and having to put on gasmasks is significant.  It's crazy.  And it seems to be ramping up.  Especially in certain cities like Louisville.

1 minute ago, Green Dog said:

Was just going to mention this.  I have been watching a couple diff networks throughout the last few days, and the number of press getting hit and having to put on gasmasks is significant.  It's crazy.  And it seems to be ramping up.  Especially in certain cities like Louisville.

Not just getting hit, getting targeted. On live TV.

11 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Not sure what you're arguing here -- I get mostly CNN here in Canada for US news coverage and they have field reporters walking down these streets and showing the looting, destruction and fires.  They've also shown Minnesota and New York cops walking with protesters.

Media coverage in the US has a slant on it depending which network you're viewing.  It's crucial that viewers watch multiple sources and gather different points of view 

Twitter gets a bad rap, but it’s been incredibly informative. I follow lots of different newspaper reporters who share links to what their colleagues are writing. I think the coverage has been amazing and paints a pretty good picture of what’s happening in their communities — and yes, that includes the positive and negative. 

I find BBC is usually a good way to get some perspective on the stories going on in the US. Nothing is without bias but still, it's better than most.  AP is another good one if you want to keep it national as far as factual reporting.

56 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I think it also made him that much more of a special player.  Could you imagine how his career would have gone with one of our O-lines past 2001 until now?    And with either Andy Reid or Doug Pederson coaching him?  

Yup.i think RC was more talented than mcnabb but RC never had an o-line worth anything or a solid running game.

Keith Byars was atrocious as a runner Anthoney Toney was good for a few games and even then nothing to brag about until getting hurt, Heath Sherman was in and out of the line up with knee issues and inconsistent, James Joseph sucked , and when they finally got herschel walker he was 100 years old.

RC had to be the running game and the passing game without any blocking and some how was successful.

Had he had OTs like Tra Thomas John runyan jason peters lane johnson maybe he wins more than 1 playoff game, instead he had guys like mike schad reggie singletary and antoine davis. The longest guy on the O line he played with was G/C David Alexander who was average at best and the only 1000 yard back he had was Hershel Walker for 1 year at the age of 30😒

You give RC westbrook in his prime like mcnabb had to go along with a top o line which mcnabb always had an RC does a lot more as is RC did a lot more with a lot less.

1 hour ago, Ace Nova said:

I think it also made him that much more of a special player.  Could you imagine how his career would have gone with one of our O-lines past 2001 until now?    And with either Andy Reid or Doug Pederson coaching him?  

I even think Chip Kelly with a prim Randall would have been an interesting combination.  With either Reid or Pederson, Randall would have probably been akin to what Mahomes or Vick in 2010.  Now one of Randall's faults is that he did not put in the time early on in being a great QB.  I think with better coaching early he might not have had that issue.

 

 

57 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

They can barely even mention the violence though. They don't admit any of it.  While our cities burn, landmarks are covered with spray paint, memorials for the men who fought for our freedom are defaced the media still says people are just out there expressing their frustrations and protesting.  Open your eyes man. 

Just for a minute, comb through headlines, photos and look at how things are portrayed.  Stand back with an open mind and read things not with one side or the other on your mind.  Just read them and then really look at the message being sent.  

I'm not blaming the media for 100% of the issues but what I am blaming them for is adding fuel to the fire, painting the picture they want and not helping mend the United States.  They could unify us. 

There are SO MANY images of police standing down, arm in arm with their African American protester brothers working together but we don't see them...ever.  Be honest with yourself man.  Look at what is put out there for us.  You've gotta comb through page after page after page to find one good thing.

Look Manu and I have exchanged in the past about the media,so,you know I am a bit skeptical. It’s a business.  Sure the news may have some slant. You and I are in York County.  The local affiliates are owned by Sinclair (CBS), Nexstar (ABC), Hearst, (NBC) and Texan, which spun off from Gannett (Fox).  Gannett owns the York Daily Record and USA Today and was bought last year by GateHouse Media.   For radio, it’s conservative pundits like Limbaugh and Public Radio, which includes NPR.  Those are some large media companies and each has its own editorial approach.  Plus they get feeds from their network affiliates and other affiliated groups.   It is a business.  This is no different than it has always been from the days of the Federalist Papers, Thomas Payne’s pamphlets  and Ben Franklin’s Poor Richard’s Almanac through muckrakers to yellow journalism and on.  Yes, editorial bend will have some impact on reporting but not to the extent you are suggesting unless you are comparing The Huffington Post to the National Review.  
I actually have a minor in Communications, which included Journalism.  We used the AP Bluebook still in use today.  Get the gist in the first paragraph because a lot of readers stop there.  Now I get news from multiple sources and read with a jaundiced eye but I can’t for the life of me figure out where you are getting yours about the protests.  I have seen reports and views of peaceful protests, chaos and everything in between. 

55 minutes ago, Green Dog said:

Was just going to mention this.  I have been watching a couple diff networks throughout the last few days, and the number of press getting hit and having to put on gasmasks is significant.  It's crazy.  And it seems to be ramping up.  Especially in certain cities like Louisville.

You put yourself in the action, you get exposed.   I have read about media getting arrested.  But many include comments that they were identifying themselves as press as though that gives them more right to be present where they are than the protesters.  Last time I read the Bill of Rights, freedom of the press doesn’t trump the other rights. 

10 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

You put yourself in the action, you get exposed.   I have read about media getting arrested.  But many include comments that they were identifying themselves as press as though that gives them more right to be present where they are than the protesters.  Last time I read the Bill of Rights, freedom of the press doesn’t trump the other rights. 

There has always been an understanding that the press can be on the front lines reporting on riots and protests unless interfering directly with the police. These media members aren’t interfering with the police and they aren’t being given any leeway to move to safe zones designated by the police after the explaining to them that they are the press. 

It’s an unbelievably stupid move by the police from a PR perspective. 

 

Pretty good by Mills

35 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

IIRC he would throw up gang signs which didn't help his "I'm not in a gang" defense

I'll admit I was not a fan of his vengfulness to go to Skins and then his comment when he was with the Bucs

I'm glad he's definitely matured

Hopefully he's still got some left in the tank after the surgery and being another year older

This whole thing has been handled wrong, trump stokes this stuff , yet hides in a bunker at the white house.

I'm no PR guy but, my daughter has a few majors ,one in pr / communication..one in advertising  / brand strategy, and a third in marketing...her opinion,  botched from beginning until now.

And she is living it first hand in downtown Philadelphia. 

2 hours ago, RLC said:

I often wonder what would have happened if Michael Vick stayed healthy in 2013. He was perfect for Chip's offense. Nick was great down the stretch, but Chip's QBs need to to threat to run for the run game to work.

Foles was the much better QB in 2013 with or without the running ability. Vick is always whining that Chip screwed him but no way. Foles beat him out fair and square like he did Kolb in 2010. 
 

What made no sense was using Brad Smith in wildcat situations instead of Vick. 

2 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

I find BBC is usually a good way to get some perspective on the stories going on in the US. Nothing is without bias but still, it's better than most.  AP is another good one if you want to keep it national as far as factual reporting.

Sorry but BBC is an acronym for something else and it took me a second 😂. 
 

my bad, I’m 12

1 minute ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Foles was the much better QB in 2013 with or without the running ability. Vick is always whining that Chip screwed him but no way. Foles beat him out fair and square like he did Kolb in 2010. 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/V/VickMi00/gamelog/2013/

Vick's game log is is crazy. Lots of ups...and one insane down.