I think this is a touchy subject and one we should tread carefully with.

Institional racism is still prevalent in most of the world(probably all if it)

These issues are a lot more complex and the problems of yesterday year are still impacting us today.

I am not seeking a debate on these topics but encourage thought with the purpose of understanding.

31 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

I dont mind Wentz or other athletes speaking up on their private time.  I just dont like that he used the term "institutional racism."

I hate that phrase, I dont think its accurate and I dont think there are many actual racist "institutions" left in this country.  I think using that term just perpetuates the notion that all police and the judicial system are racist

I believe there are racist individuals and racist acts, and I hope what Carson meant was that this was a racist act by an institution (the police) and not just one example of that institution being racist

Institutional racism exists. For example, there are structures that make it easier in the police force to disproportionately target minorities. That doesn't mean individual actors are necessarily racist, but it lets bad actors do far worse things. 

2 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

All I can say is, F Richard Sherman.   I’m ready for sports.  Not desperate enough to care about soccer or NASCAR.  But give me something.  I don’t need every GD celebrities social commentary either.   Just like I didn’t need them to tell me to "stay safe, stay home”.   

It's going to be a LONNG season of hearing everyone's commentary.  What's even worse is the Eagles beat writers that I rely on for Eagles news are so biased now towards things that I don't even want to follow them anymore.  Everyone thinks their opinion is the right one rather than trying to work together for a bond and way to come together.  

8 hours ago, Green Dog said:

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/richard-sherman-white-quarterbacks-carson-wentz-speak-up-racism-nfl

Impressed if Wentz was really the first

14 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Well I do have a microscope.   

fyp

5 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Non-political opinion for the early morning. Because I just read and keep reading all these posts from black people taking about how white people speak up for all other injustices unless it involves black people. And Richard Sherman happy Wentz and other white QBs have said something because they usually dont. Ive seen a bunch of these types of comments.

Seriously? We just going to pretend that for generations any time a white person even attempts to sympathize they get told "You aint black! You can never understand! Your family wasnt slaves! Stop pretending you understand! Shut yo mouth!"

Uhhhh... yeah. Thats why you cant get more white people to fight for your cause. Cause you are just as racist and for generations you havent allowed anyone who isnt black to stand with you. 

And look at every time a white person speaks up on this. Usually leads off with, but always in there somewhere "Im not black. I could never understand. But...." Hell Carson is being praised for his perfect statement and 2 out of the 4 paragraphs are literally him cheapening his position by explaining he knows he can never understand but wants to say something anyway. Guys, itd mean more to people, and would help more if you didnt tell the people who want to help that they dont know what theyre talking about. If they didnt have to lead with a disclaimer that "This opinion is coming from an outsider who doesnt know what hes talking about but gonna say something anyway" It might hold more weight.

Why do you think everyone has to lead off with these disclaimers? They know theyre about to be attacked by a black person for even saying anything at all. So they try to minimize it by putting in that disclaimer. For generations we have been conditioned to stay quiet about racial relations. I saw some idiot in this very thread not too long ago tell WestPA that saying "black" is offensive. How ridiculous. Now dont Fing act like we never wanted to help. YOU didnt let us. We cant even say "black" without being scared to offend. Now youre going to get mad about us not speaking on it. Idiots....

Well, I'm not black and I don't understand, but that being said I don't have to be black to see that the Floyd killing was murder, the three other cops there's job is to stop a crime like murder from happening so they are also culpable. But I also don't have to be black to see that rioting and hurting innocent people of any color is also wrong. 

C'mon America we're better than this or are we?

18 minutes ago, greend said:

Well, I'm not black and I don't understand, but that being said I don't have to be black to see that the Floyd killing was murder, the three other cops there's job is to stop a crime like murder from happening so they are also culpable. But I also don't have to be black to see that rioting and hurting innocent people of any color is also wrong. 

C'mon America we're better than this or are we?

Spot on.  It really should be that simple but it isn't.

On 5/31/2020 at 11:50 AM, ManuManu said:

 

I feel like he is already the 6th best TE in the league at least

Racism exists in our society. As long as we tolerate it instead of speaking up, it will exist. Sexism exists in our society.  As long as we tolerate it instead of speaking up it will exist.  Religious intolerance exists in this country.  As long as we tolerate it instead of speaking up, it will exist.  Intolerance of sexual orientation exists in our society, as long as we tolerate it instead of speaking up, it will exist.  We don’t need to experience it first hand to speak out against it.   To not see how such infiltrate our institutions is blind.  But to not recognize that we each see things through the lenses of our own experiences hides from ourselves our own prejudices. To not fight to try to overcome those prejudgment tendencies everyday makes us a little smaller.

Speaking out is not easy.  But it is easier to speak out about an event in MN than to say something across the dinner table to our east Texas relatives. The latter may be more important than the former. 

7 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Non-political opinion for the early morning. Because I just read and keep reading all these posts from black people taking about how white people speak up for all other injustices unless it involves black people. And Richard Sherman happy Wentz and other white QBs have said something because they usually dont. Ive seen a bunch of these types of comments.

Seriously? We just going to pretend that for generations any time a white person even attempts to sympathize they get told "You aint black! You can never understand! Your family wasnt slaves! Stop pretending you understand! Shut yo mouth!"

Uhhhh... yeah. Thats why you cant get more white people to fight for your cause. Cause you are just as racist and for generations you havent allowed anyone who isnt black to stand with you. 

And look at every time a white person speaks up on this. Usually leads off with, but always in there somewhere "Im not black. I could never understand. But...." Hell Carson is being praised for his perfect statement and 2 out of the 4 paragraphs are literally him cheapening his position by explaining he knows he can never understand but wants to say something anyway. Guys, itd mean more to people, and would help more if you didnt tell the people who want to help that they dont know what theyre talking about. If they didnt have to lead with a disclaimer that "This opinion is coming from an outsider who doesnt know what hes talking about but gonna say something anyway" It might hold more weight.

Why do you think everyone has to lead off with these disclaimers? They know theyre about to be attacked by a black person for even saying anything at all. So they try to minimize it by putting in that disclaimer. For generations we have been conditioned to stay quiet about racial relations. I saw some idiot in this very thread not too long ago tell WestPA that saying "black" is offensive. How ridiculous. Now dont Fing act like we never wanted to help. YOU didnt let us. We cant even say "black" without being scared to offend. Now youre going to get mad about us not speaking on it. Idiots....

Your grasp of American history is, I would say, tenuous. However, I agree with your comment about the term "Black" being offensive is ridiculous.

Maybe the NFL can give out extra draft picks to teams cities that don't racially profile as much.

6 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

 

Speaking out is not easy.  But it is easier to speak out about an event in MN than to say something across the dinner table to our east Texas relatives. The latter may be more important than the former. 

If they are cowboys fans I have no problem speaking out and telling them exactly what I feel, family or not 😉

I apologize for posting that.  I know while this isn't the place for any of it, the blog typically handles race stuff a bit less gracefully than the other political subjects (in my limited experience over the years).  Yes, it was Eagles related but still.  Better left unsaid. 

(at least I thought better of posting the story about white nationalists posing as antifa on Twitter and announcing their intentions...)

4 hours ago, MediterraneanDiet said:

.  The argument is far more eloquent than that.

 

Not really. Not at all

 

My nightly Netflix watch last night was The Ted Bundy Tapes .... what a completely self-absorbed, self-centered, slimy POS that guy was.  He had some kind of spell over certain types of women, though.

I'd forgotten that he escaped not once but twice from police custody -- and went on to kill several more women. That guy lived much, much longer than he should have.

57 minutes ago, QBhunter58 said:

I feel like he is already the 6th best TE in the league at least

I don't think Goedert can get top 10 respect until he's the #1 guy on his team. It's not fair, but it's reality. 

43 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Racism exists in our society. As long as we tolerate it instead of speaking up, it will exist. Sexism exists in our society.  As long as we tolerate it instead of speaking up it will exist.  Religious intolerance exists in this country.  As long as we tolerate it instead of speaking up, it will exist.  Intolerance of sexual orientation exists in our society, as long as we tolerate it instead of speaking up, it will exist.  We don’t need to experience it first hand to speak out against it.   To not see how such infiltrate our institutions is blind.  But to not recognize that we each see things through the lenses of our own experiences hides from ourselves our own prejudices. To not fight to try to overcome those prejudgment tendencies everyday makes us a little smaller.

Speaking out is not easy.  But it is easier to speak out about an event in MN than to say something across the dinner table to our east Texas relatives. The latter may be more important than the former. 

I am all for peaceful demonstrations, boycotts, loud chanting, angry signs, letter writing campaigns, door to door solicitation of signatures on petitions, campaigning for new elected officials, change to law enforcement protocols and the like.

I am fully against arson, vandalism, assault, destruction of property, looting, and the like.   

Violence as an answer to violence does not change minds or hearts.  Change can only happen one mind and one heart at a time.  And in those situations, I agree... it's the conversation over the table with relatives... with friends who step too far over the line... those hard conversations that need to be had.  But, only when those dialogues are had without anger aimed at the recipient can any advancement be made. 

But changed policies don't change hearts.... changed hearts change policies... changed hearts change societies.

7 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

 

My nightly Netflix watch last night was The Ted Bundy Tapes .... what a completely self-absorbed, self-centered, slimy POS that guy was.  He had some kind of spell over certain types of women, though.

I'd forgotten that he escaped not once but twice from police custody -- and went on to kill several more women. That guy lived much, much longer than he should have.

Growing up I had heard about Ted Bundy (I'm 38) but had no idea what he actually did.  That series was fascinating.  Women KNEW he was a killer and still were infatuated with the guy.  He was truly sick.  It's also so interesting to me to see the change in how news traveled, technology and so much over the last 40-50 years.  Really worth watching to learn about what happened.  Creepy as heck to hear him start talking in the 3rd person to confess.  Gives you chills for sure.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I am all for peaceful demonstrations, boycotts, loud chanting, angry signs, letter writing campaigns, door to door solicitation of signatures on petitions, campaigning for new elected officials, change to law enforcement protocols and the like.

I am fully against arson, vandalism, assault, destruction of property, looting, and the like.   

Violence as an answer to violence does not change minds or hearts.  Change can only happen one mind and one heart at a time.  And in those situations, I agree... it's the conversation over the table with relatives... with friends who step too far over the line... those hard conversations that need to be had.  But, only when those dialogues are had without anger aimed at the recipient can any advancement be made. 

But changed policies don't change hearts.... changed hearts change policies... changed hearts change societies.

Truer words have never been spoken.

10 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Growing up I had heard about Ted Bundy (I'm 38) but had no idea what he actually did.  That series was fascinating.  Women KNEW he was a killer and still were infatuated with the guy.  He was truly sick.  It's also so interesting to me to see the change in how news traveled, technology and so much over the last 40-50 years.  Really worth watching to learn about what happened.  Creepy as heck to hear him start talking in the 3rd person to confess.  Gives you chills for sure.

The series made me wonder what role heredity might play; his mother was a space cadet.  "Who's up for apple pie and ice cream?"  -- definitely some insanity there.

46 minutes ago, Allhaildawk said:

Not really. Not at all

We will disagree

Alshon Jeffrey🙏

You all did a nice job with my post this morning.  No one got too wild in here. Im impressed. 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I'm still skeeved out about you wanting me to see your ding ding.  

I didn't tell you to get out the microscope.  You're the one that bought the puzzle. 

You think Wentz will take the receivers to ND now that states are opening up? Would love for him to build chemistry with the receivers ASAP