10 minutes ago, mattmcginley7 said:

Hazelton "I'm not political in TATE" Eagle

The outrage comes from you clowns who simp symbolic gestures over human lives. Where is this same outrage over human lives lost?

And I also saw you said that it was meant to be disrespectful to police and military. How many times does it need to be said that Kaepernick literally made the decision to kneel with the advice from a Navy Seal who discussed this action with him? How many times does Kaepernick specifically have to say it was ONLY about police brutality and racial inequality?

Where has kneeling ever been used as a gesture of disrespect? If that's not following Anthem protocol, then what about all the guys that locked arms, which also isn't protocol? 

What some find as a compromise to still "show respect" others still find offensive.  Why can't people understand that?  

12 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

It represents not only those things, and though you list a lot of negative things about our country, it also represents all parts of our nations history which INCLUDES how far the country has come since many of those events. 

 

So Spiro, it’s my country, right or wrong.  Got it.   The symbol matters more than the exercise of free speech.  Got it.   

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

What some find as a compromise to still "show respect" others still find offensive.  Why can't people understand that?  

I understand. But it's been made abundantly clear that it was about police brutality and racial inequality. 

The same people condemning the protests condemned Kaepernick. Explain to me exactly how people should protest racial injustice and police brutality that would get enough attention to cause change?

9 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

His intended action was to stand in the tunnel thus honoring his beliefs and respecting his teammates.  His teammates had no issue with that.  He did not want to be a spectacle but the media cameras caught him in the tunnel and made a deal out of it.  That triggered his honest heartfelt response that for no proven fact from HE to open my "naive” eyes, HE insists he was made to make.  

Absolutely not true. You need to go refresh your memory or possibly learn about it for the first time. 

8 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Here's what I don't understand.  Everyone is offended anymore.  The minute you offend someone you either get cancelled or have to walk it back and beg for forgiveness.  The flag issue CLEARY offends a lot of Americans and we just have to suck it up deal with it because if not we are racist or don't care.  The double standards in this country are sick.  Something has to be done.

exactly...

Just now, mattmcginley7 said:

I understand. But it's been made abundantly clear that it was about police brutality and racial inequality. 

The same people condemning the protests condemned Kaepernick. Explain to me exactly how people should protest racial injustice and police brutality that would get enough attention to cause change?

It's a tough question for sure.  We may never end it.  The fact is you can't control what 330 million people think.  We are all wired different.  You can try your best but crappy people are going to find their way in to certain positions.

A good place to start is what Dak Prescott has done.  He's donated $1 million for ongoing police training in Texas to help train officers on how to do better.  That's what needs to be done more in my opinion.  Put the money to work.

3 minutes ago, mattmcginley7 said:

I understand. But it's been made abundantly clear that it was about police brutality and racial inequality. 

The same people condemning the protests condemned Kaepernick. Explain to me exactly how people should protest racial injustice and police brutality that would get enough attention to cause change?

did you ever read any of your history books in grade school?

Also sometimes change doesnt require a lot of attention, but just the right attention. Like when Jenkins, Torrey, and Long went to harrisburg to discuss how they could make change with lawmakers in PA. 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

did you ever read any of your history books in grade school?

Did Martin Luther King do it right?

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

What some find as a compromise to still "show respect" others still find offensive.  Why can't people understand that?  

People understand that just fine. To me, it’s the passion of the outrage over kneeling vs the passion of the outrage for police brutality and racial injustice. One, again my opinion, should quite easily supersede the other. 

People also have applied different meanings to what the flag represents. To me, it represents the country and its citizens, not the military or any particular subset of individuals. 

8 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Here's what I don't understand.  Everyone is offended anymore.  The minute you offend someone you either get cancelled or have to walk it back and beg for forgiveness.  The flag issue CLEARY offends a lot of Americans and we just have to suck it up deal with it because if not we are racist or don't care.  The double standards in this country are sick.  Something has to be done.

I don’t see it as racist to disagree with a method of protest.  It is not an either/or situation.   I also don’t find it disrespectful to veterans to exercise a free speech right they served to protect as Villanueva articulated.  I’m with Villanueva and he makes me proud.  

3 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

While he isn't the one that called the cops, the store owner is black, so that would be weird. I find it odd cops were even called in the first place. I've had tried to unknowingly use counterfeit $20s a few times, even at banks. Worst thing that happened was I lost out on $20. But I understand that is potentially white privilege and part of the problem. 

I could be wrong but I thought I read an Arabic man working at the store called the police on Floyd.  Not something I'd call the police on but everyone is different.  

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

It's a tough question for sure.  We may never end it.  The fact is you can't control what 330 million people think.  We are all wired different.  You can try your best but crappy people are going to find their way in to certain positions.

A good place to start is what Dak Prescott has done.  He's donated $1 million for ongoing police training in Texas to help train officers on how to do better.  That's what needs to be done more in my opinion.  Put the money to work.

Kaepernick has donated. Kaepernick has raised significant awareness, much more than Dak has. 

I'm not for the riots where more innocent people are hurt as a result. But Kaepernick peacefully protested and half the country decided they were more offended by a symbolic gesture than they were of fellow Americans being treated unfairly because of their appearance 

5 minutes ago, mattmcginley7 said:

I understand. But it's been made abundantly clear that it was about police brutality and racial inequality. 

The same people condemning the protests condemned Kaepernick. Explain to me exactly how people should protest racial injustice and police brutality that would get enough attention to cause change?

Wrong again I oppose kneeling but completely support the protest. As long as it's peaceful. In fact I've seen very few people condemn the protest.

2 minutes ago, mattmcginley7 said:

Kaepernick has donated. Kaepernick has raised significant awareness, much more than Dak has. 

I'm not for the riots where more innocent people are hurt as a result. But Kaepernick peacefully protested and half the country decided they were more offended by a symbolic gesture than they were of fellow Americans being treated unfairly because of their appearance 

You have spoken to half the country?

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Also sometimes change doesnt require a lot of attention, but just the right attention. Like when Jenkins, Torrey, and Long went to harrisburg to discuss how they could make change with lawmakers in PA. 

The same lawmakers that wanted a voter ID law, that took forever to approve voting by mail unless you swore you were absent due to specific rules and still won’t allow early voting that benefits the elderly and the working class.  The legislature that tried to gerrymander our representatives to the point our own Supreme Court had to point out that wasn’t within our state constitution.   That legislature?

Just now, greend said:

You have spoken to half the country?

Yup. I've taken 165 million phone calls

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

People understand that just fine. To me, it’s the passion of the outrage over kneeling vs the passion of the outrage for police brutality and racial injustice. One, again my opinion, should quite easily supersede the other. 

People also have applied different meanings to what the flag represents. To me, it represents the country and it’s citizens, not the military or any particular subset of individuals. 

I hear what you're saying 100% but can't you have passion for both?  Can't you be offended by disrespecting the flag AND be against police brutality?  If people aren't aware of it now then something is wrong.  No need to keep alienating half the country who want the same justice for your people.  No one wants to see another George Floyd.  We get it, honestly we do.  It's not right what's happening.  Something has to be done to change what our police are doing.  Howver, they don't have to keep doing something that offends us.  

6 minutes ago, mattmcginley7 said:

Did Martin Luther King do it right?

Yes and no.  He was real open to including women.  He did give great sermons.  But Abernathy probably got more done.  

5 minutes ago, mattmcginley7 said:

Kaepernick has donated. Kaepernick has raised significant awareness, much more than Dak has. 

I'm not for the riots where more innocent people are hurt as a result. But Kaepernick peacefully protested and half the country decided they were more offended by a symbolic gesture than they were of fellow Americans being treated unfairly because of their appearance 

Have you read where Kaepernicks money has actually gone?  A lot of his organizations are just as big as crap as racist police.  Dak is donating money to directly solve the problem. 

You can't assume that all people offended by kneeling for the flag don't give a rip about racism.  That's a horrible assumption.

Just now, BigEFly said:

Yes and no.  He was real open to including women.  He did give great sermons.  But Abernathy probably got more done.  

Someone pulled up the country's sentiment of Martin Luther King back in  the 1960s. Only 30% of people thought he was doing something that would invoke positive change. Most thought he was getting nothing done 

3 minutes ago, mattmcginley7 said:

Yup. I've taken 165 million phone calls

Then you have no idea how they feel about anything. But just so we get this straight you think that half the country was offended by it but it wasn't offensive?  This is part of the trouble in America everyone thinks they get to decide what should and shouldn't offend others.

4 minutes ago, mattmcginley7 said:

Someone pulled up the country's sentiment of Martin Luther King back in  the 1960s. Only 30% of people thought he was doing something that would invoke positive change. Most thought he was getting nothing done 

Think about it.

24 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

What some find as a compromise to still "show respect" others still find offensive.  Why can't people understand that?  

To be fair... you can find videos within the past week of some people upset about just the protests

Not everyone will be happy with this. But it's at the point where it's like oh well something needs to be done

2 minutes ago, greend said:

Then you have no idea how they feel about anything. But just so we get this straight you think that half the country was offended by it but it wasn't offensive?  This is part of the trouble in America everyone thinks they get to decide what should and shouldn't offend others.

The problem is you're arguing over being offended by someone kneeling at a flag and not using that same energy to be mad at corrupt cops, at people being racially profiled, of systemic racism.. The flag pales in comparison to those issues.

13 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I hear what you're saying 100% but can't you have passion for both?  Can't you be offended by disrespecting the flag AND be against police brutality?  If people aren't aware of it now then something is wrong.  No need to keep alienating half the country who want the same justice for your people.  No one wants to see another George Floyd.  We get it, honestly we do.  It's not right what's happening.  Something has to be done to change what our police are doing.  Howver, they don't have to keep doing something that offends us.  

Sure you can theoretically have passion for both. Honestly, though, I don’t recall seeing it. The police brutality and racial inequality seem to get breezed pass, almost mentioned like "yeah, that’s bad, but...”

3 minutes ago, greend said:

Think about it.

"Riots are the voice of the unheard"

I don't like innocent people being hurt because of the riots. Apparently this is the consequence of us not listening and making previous changes to avoid this