Just now, mattmcginley7 said:

The problem is you're arguing over being offended by someone kneeling at a flag and not using that same energy to be mad at corrupt cops, at people being racially profiled, of systemic racism.. The flag pales in comparison to those issues.

The problem is you have no Fing idea what I'm mad about. 

2 minutes ago, mattmcginley7 said:

The problem is you're arguing over being offended by someone kneeling at a flag and not using that same energy to be mad at corrupt cops, at people being racially profiled, of systemic racism.. The flag pales in comparison to those issues.

But how do you know they aren't just as mad about corrupt police?  You can be both, it's possible.   Yes, there are some who probably don't care and just want the flag respected but that number is probably pretty low.

15 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

The same lawmakers that wanted a voter ID law, that took forever to approve voting by mail unless you swore you were absent due to specific rules and still won’t allow early voting that benefits the elderly and the working class.  The legislature that tried to gerrymander our representatives to the point our own Supreme Court had to point out that wasn’t within our state constitution.   That legislature?

none of that has anything to do with what we are talking about. weird post.

1 minute ago, mattmcginley7 said:

"Riots are the voice of the unheard"

I don't like innocent people being hurt because of the riots. Apparently this is the consequence of us not listening and making previous changes to avoid this

Think real hard about why only 30% of the population thought King would make a difference. 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Sure you can theoretically have passion for both. Honestly, though, I don’t recall seeing it. The police brutality and racial inequality seem to get breezed pass, almost mentioned like "yeah, that’s bad, but...”

How do we show it though?  What does someone have to do to show that they are upset?  I hate the fact that there are corrupt police who murder innocent people.  I'm just not one to go to a protest or do any kind of social media gesture.  

What does the normal run of the mill Joe do?  

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

But how do you know they aren't just as mad about corrupt police?  You can be both, it's possible.   Yes, there are some who probably don't care and just want the flag respected but that number is probably pretty low.

Actually most people are way more angry about the murder but I I didn't know it was a contest.

5 minutes ago, mattmcginley7 said:

The problem is you're arguing over being offended by someone kneeling at a flag and not using that same energy to be mad at corrupt cops, at people being racially profiled, of systemic racism.. The flag pales in comparison to those issues.

its the distraction they have created with stupidly chosen methods of kneeling, and rioting. They can fix the issue they created for themselves very easily so we can all get back on track.

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

Im purposely trying to open naive eyes to both sides of the story because some of you refuse to acknowledge both.

his team and coach. 

Naive how?

1 minute ago, greend said:

Actually most people are way more angry about the murder but I I didn't know it was a contest.

Didn't mean it like that just trying to show that it isn't all on one side or the other. 

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

I saw pictures and videos of the looters.   They were of all races.  The looting was limited to big businesses.  A lot focused on small businesses.  A lot put into cars.   Arson in small business restaurants and in churches (even us nonbelievers don’t burn churches).  I don’t think I buy the conclusion.  The Watts era riots were different a bit in that a lot of targets were businesses the residents thought were advantage takers and gougers.  Not seeing that so much in 2020.  But I also think it defeats messaging because now there are the victims of the vandalism, arson and looting.  I am unable to justify it.   
BTW, looks like we read the same Discover magazine article.  Interesting but i was not completely in agreement with some of the conclusions. 
I would also argue that being poor in America results in a lot of people not getting a fair shake.   The Uber rich are so focused on preserving and maximizing their wealth at the expense of others.  The tax bill passed by the Ryan Congress is abhorrent to me.  What we have done to the tax code since Carter has more and more oppressed the poor and stagnated the middle class.  

Absolutely agree on your sentiments on tax code and the greed of the uber rich and understand where you are coming from with the riots and looting. It creates more victims😞 

3 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Naive how?

I don’t think either side is naive. We simply don’t and won’t agree. 

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Didn't mean it like that just trying to show that it isn't all on one side or the other. 

Didn't think you did. You explained it very well.

15 minutes ago, mattmcginley7 said:

Someone pulled up the country's sentiment of Martin Luther King back in  the 1960s. Only 30% of people thought he was doing something that would invoke positive change. Most thought he was getting nothing done 

Damn you’re young. I grew up in the days of colored restrooms, water fountains segregated schools etc.   As much as I protested against the War, I really appreciate what Johnson did in shepherding the 1964 Civil Rights Act and trying desperately to do something about poverty in America.  

Just now, ManuManu said:

I don’t think either side is naive. We simply don’t and won’t agree. 

And I think we should be okay with that. 

6 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

But how do you know they aren't just as mad about corrupt police?  You can be both, it's possible.   Yes, there are some who probably don't care and just want the flag respected but that number is probably pretty low.

I believe you can be both. Unfortunately I know a few that are upset about the flag and use the n word and refuse to acknowledge racial inequality. 

I shouldn't assume, and good on you for being upset at the injustice. I just want our focus to be on that 

15 minutes ago, mattmcginley7 said:

The problem is you're arguing over being offended by someone kneeling at a flag and not using that same energy to be mad at corrupt cops, at people being racially profiled, of systemic racism.. The flag pales in comparison to those issues.

Yes he is. Anyone who knows greend and follows his posts know that he backs the message and advocates for it but opposes the method because it conflicts with his approach.  I said I admired Villanueva for his stance, well greend is pretty darn similar in my view.

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

Yes he is. Anyone who knows greend and follows his posts know that he backs the message and advocates for it but opposes the method because it conflicts with his approach.  I said I admired Villanueva for his stance, well greend is pretty darn similar in my view.

Good for him then if I'm wrong and he has. My bad

17 minutes ago, mattmcginley7 said:

"Riots are the voice of the unheard"

I don't like innocent people being hurt because of the riots. Apparently this is the consequence of us not listening and making previous changes to avoid this

You seem to have no idea of the context of that quote.  

54 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

No it's not.  The rioting and looting has led to other deaths.  David Dorn's death is not a moral relative death.  It's a tragedy no less tragic than the death of George Floyd.  And why did he die?  Because he dared to go to the store of a friend and tried to stop the looters.  

totally agree, murder can still be a question of moral relativism but in the case of Dorns death it was murder, and one can question the morale relativity of the looting and the root cause of the looting/rioting that led to the murder without minimizing the murder.

Dorn was the victim of people commiting a violent act, floyd was the victim of people who had taken an oath to uphold the law and protect the people they serve, looters took no such oath.

18 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

none of that has anything to do with what we are talking about. weird post.

Trying to open your naive eyes if you don’t think voter suppression and gerrymandering have no relation to what we are discussing.

9 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

How do we show it though?  What does someone have to do to show that they are upset?  I hate the fact that there are corrupt police who murder innocent people.  I'm just not one to go to a protest or do any kind of social media gesture.  

What does the normal run of the mill Joe do?  

I'm sure you've seen pictures of the many protests all over the country.  I'm also sure you've noticed a large presence of white people at these protests.  I think it's great and I want what they want......equality and fairness to everyone.  I believe these white people really do care about change and supporting the black community.  However, some think they are just out there trying to get noticed and get exposure or attention.  

25 minutes ago, greend said:

The problem is you have no Fing idea what I'm mad about. 

23 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Damn you’re young. I grew up in the days of colored restrooms, water fountains segregated schools etc.   As much as I protested against the War, I really appreciate what Johnson did in shepherding the 1964 Civil Rights Act and trying desperately to do something about poverty in America.  

It’s insane to think about just how recent those things were. 
 

Crazy to imagine some are referring to this time period when chanting a certain slogan. 

I’m already exhausted about the flag protests that will happen this season. All while there’s no fans. 

1 minute ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I’m already exhausted about the flag protests that will happen this season. All while there’s no fans. 

There’s not really a reason for the national anthem during games anyway. I’m sure it will be removed in the future.