12 hours ago, WentzFan11 said:

I don’t care about the American flag or what it represents more than its citizens. What does honoring the flag do? I rather honor the individuals by treating them like human beings and not as numbers. 
 

Want to care about Veterans? Give them free health care. Help support legislation that supports them. You standing up and looking at the flag means nothing when they’re struggling to pay a medical bill from the physical and psychological damage they faced overseas. 

Most Veterans are pretty big into respecting the flag and the National Anthem so if you want to respect them; treat them like "human beings” and not as "numbers” then you will also respect the fact that they will stand for the National Anthem and that they will respect the flag. 

So the real question is.....what exact implementable actions (in the short and long term) need to take place to allow us to move forward and make positive changes?  It's clear what the message is, but it has to go somewhere from here.

11 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Have you read where Kaepernicks money has actually gone?  A lot of his organizations are just as big as crap as racist police.  Dak is donating money to directly solve the problem. 

You can't assume that all people offended by kneeling for the flag don't give a rip about racism.  That's a horrible assumption.

I don't know.  I imagine there's some pretty big overlap between those 2 groups in a Venn diagram.  I mean I live in a state where Confederate flags abound.  I am not sure what could be more historically disrespectful to the idea of the United States than to fly the flag of the secessionist states who sought to destroy the Union.  I also think the Venn diagram for people who fly/wear or bumper stick the Confederate flag and think kneeling during the anthem is disrespectful overlap completely.  

 

8 hours ago, Utebird said:

cops ,Military, para military are tools to protect the interests foreign and domestic of those in power.

Id like to see you work just one shift as a cop

Youre clueless

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

 

 

The rioting, looting and violence is what is taking away from the message.  I'll say no more on this matter, but I'll give the final word to this woman. 

 

You may be surprised but I have read the Bible, cover to cover.   I was being an a** when I was a kid and really showing some prejudice against religions.   My dad handed me his Bible and said read it.   

i like the honesty that woman displays.  I sure hope we come out of 2020 less divided and more willing to be charitable and reach out a hand to help each other.  

8 hours ago, WentzFan11 said:

There are so many videos like this from all over the Country. As each day passes it gets harder to believe it’s only a few bad apples. 

There’s also a video I won’t share of a cop pushing an old man and a group of cops walk past him as he bleeds from his head. Someone from the national guard comes to his aid. The cops claimed he tripped. 

I have no idea what can be done to fix this but it seems like we’ve reached a boiling point. 

Those "cops" (read thugs) should be fired and indicted for assault.

26 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

So the real question is.....what exact implementable actions (in the short and long term) need to take place to allow us to move forward and make positive changes?  It's clear what the message is, but it has to go somewhere from here.

Well that's a darn good question. Stop killing people (maybe that should be against the law not sure), stop stealing people's stuff (possibly another good one) don't discriminate against others because of the color of their skin (let's throw that one into law as well, just for the heck of it).

 

Oh wait here's a thought, let's enforce the laws as we have them. If a cop or anyone kills any person unjustly he should be prosecuted by the law.

Now here's a thought that might be original, as we now have jury duty and people are called to serve in that capacity how about that could include a police review if there is a police shooting. Maybe instead of 12 people it could be 6 or 8 and then some I.A. members. even members numbers of black/whites. Cops and a lawyer for the victim could do the same process as jury duty, pick some, not pick others.

6 minutes ago, greend said:

Well that's a darn good question. Stop killing people (maybe that should be against the law not sure), stop stealing people's stuff (possibly another good one) don't discriminate against others because of the color of their skin (let's throw that one into law as well, just for the heck of it).

 

Oh wait here's a thought, let's enforce the laws as we have them. If a cop or anyone kills any person unjustly he should be prosecuted by the law.

Now here's a thought that might be original, as we now have jury duty and people are called to serve in that capacity how about that could include a police review if there is a police shooting. Maybe instead of 12 people it could be 6 or 8 and then some I.A. members. even members numbers of black/whites. Cops and a lawyer for the victim could do the same process as jury duty, pick some, not pick others.

A lot of cases involving deaths at the hands of the police are referred to grand juries.  Grand juries are imperfect in that regard to date.   

😂

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Nope nope nope.  You can't go back into history, find injustices and use them to justify what's happening now.  Let me help you out.  The treatment of the Native Americans is a shameful one in the history of this country.  The treatment of black slaves is another blot on the country.  Both groups are working towards more equal treatment, but haven't gotten there yet.   But, let me help you with something... saying that all lives matter is not a deflection or a counter-movement against Black Lives Matter.  I try to live my life according to the commandment - love your neighbor as yourself.  (to give some context of that to BigEFly, its in the spoiler tag)

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When Jesus said that was the second great commandment, he told a parable of 'the Good Samaritan'.  Today, that parable has lost most of his true meaning, because not nearly as many people today understand the context of that.  The Samaritans were descendants from the northern tribes of Israel, who intermarried with the groups that lived around them, directly against God's commandment not to, because it would pull them away from Him and they would start to follow after the foreign gods.  The Jews hated the Samaritans for having done this, literally hundreds of years before...  there was at that time a "racial" divide between the groups.  The Samaritans were banned from worship in the Temple in Jerusalem.  And as a result, the Samaritans hated the Jews just about as much as the Jews hated the Samaritans.  In the parable, a Jewish man is beaten and robbed by bandits, and a priest walks by him, then a Levite (a worker in the service of God)... both Jews didn't see that man as a neighbor, but rather as an obstacle to be avoided.  The third man, a Samaritan (aka, the most hated type of person in the eyes of the Jews) walks by, and he takes pity on the man, he gives first aid and comfort, puts him on his animal and drops him off at a local inn, giving instructions and money (roughly a month's salary) to cover the expenses for this man's recovery.  And he promises to return back that way and pay any more that might be needed to help the man heal.   That is how far the neighbor definition goes, according to Christ... it really means 'Love every one'.   Jesus later says we are to 'Love our enemies'.  And if you love your enemies, pretty soon, you find that you have none.  At least in how you feel about them, though they may feel that way about you.

 

So, I am not going to draw a line in the sand and say that this one matters, but that one doesn't.  David Dorn was a black man, killed in the streets, filmed on Facebook live.  George Floyd was a black man, killed in the streets, filmed on a cell phone.  Both lives are lost, both events are tragic.  One leads to rioting in the streets, causing more deaths... the other is barely discussed, because it happened as a direct result of the rioting in the streets.  And talking about that would mean that we'd have to widen our scope.  Its easy to point to George Floyd and say that's the only Black Life that Matters, but if Black Lives Matter, and that's the whole point of the rioting, looting, and other violence on the street... then David Dorn wouldn't be dead.  But, his black life didn't matter.  And like the Jewish man in the parable of Jesus... those who were supposed to be fighting FOR him, were the ones filming him and leaving him there on the street to die.

 

The rioting, looting and violence is what is taking away from the message.  I'll say no more on this matter, but I'll give the final word to this woman. 

 

Well said and well put and i agree whole heartedly with your sentiments, the rioting and the looting and violence does take away from the ultimate message and its difficult to decipher the intentions between multiple acts. Im not sure when a person loots and riots they are explicitly doing so with the thought of vengeance against a capitalistic system that treats them unfairly they are mostly acting out of passion and anger. No matter why the looting rioting violence i think the underlying social injustices are what ultimately need to be attended to, to not only bring peace and justice but to avoid more unrest in the future. We as a society failed to attend to these societal issues until it blew over. What changes are we going to make??? Hopefully ones that put more emphasis on loving thy neighbor and less emphasis on the love of money.

6 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

A lot of cases involving deaths at the hands of the police are referred to grand juries.  Grand juries are imperfect in that regard to date.   

Well obviously no one is ever going to be perfect at it, just curious if you have any idea of what percentage?

Kempski seems to suggest that Jalen Mills will be given the SS role.  I am not as convinced.  I think there will be an open competition between Mills, Park and Wallace with the best of the losers in that competition getting most of the snaps as the third S.  

2 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Kempski seems to suggest that Jalen Mills will be given the SS role.  I am not as convinced.  I think there will be an open competition between Mills, Park and Wallace with the best of the losers in that competition getting most of the snaps as the third S.  

Mills has some big advantages, namely that he knows the defense and that Schwartz really loves him. My guess is that Mills will be given every chance to fail before anyone else moves ahead of him.

That being said, I think he would make a pretty good safety, especially in the Eagles' system. Plus, in the red zone, he can move to outside corner to get a smaller guy like Jones or Maddox off the field.

5 minutes ago, greend said:

Well obviously no one is ever going to be perfect at it, just curious if you have any idea of what percentage?

I don’t and it is difficult to judge as the process hides from public view the evidence presented and how it was presented.  

44 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

So the real question is.....what exact implementable actions (in the short and long term) need to take place to allow us to move forward and make positive changes?  It's clear what the message is, but it has to go somewhere from here.

The obvious change that needs to be had is to not allow cops to police themselves. All complaints should be handled by an external body. Officers breaking the law should carry more severity than civilians. That can solve a lot of issues on its own. Every cop at the scene having their body cam "malfunction” would not be permissible. After a certain amount of complains and depending on the severity of them, you’re removed from the field until you’ve been retrained or terminated. If you’re not good with tense situations and you keep making the wrong decision then maybe being a police officer isn’t for you. There’s no reason why a police officer should have 18 complaints against them and still be in the field.

2 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Mills has some big advantages, namely that he knows the defense and that Schwartz really loves him. My guess is that Mills will be given every chance to fail before anyone else moves ahead of him.

That being said, I think he would make a pretty good safety, especially in the Eagles' system. Plus, in the red zone, he can move to outside corner to get a smaller guy like Jones or Maddox off the field.

I think he starts TC with the ones but I also expect as the PS develops that each player gets some reps with the ones.  Wallace is signed for four years whereas Mills and Parks are both on one year contracts. 

2 minutes ago, greend said:

Well that's a darn good question. Stop killing people (maybe that should be against the law not sure), stop stealing people's stuff (possibly another good one) don't discriminate against others because of the color of their skin (let's throw that one into law as well, just for the heck of it).

 

Oh wait here's a thought, let's enforce the laws as we have them. If a cop or anyone kills any person unjustly he should be prosecuted by the law.

Now here's a thought that might be original, as we now have jury duty and people are called to serve in that capacity how about that could include a police review if there is a police shooting. Maybe instead of 12 people it could be 6 or 8 and then some I.A. members. even members numbers of black/whites. Cops and a lawyer for the victim could do the same process as jury duty, pick some, not pick others.

I agree with much of this.  I think bias is a fundamental problem as to why there is inequity. Cops don't get charged and prosecuted.  

 

3 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

A lot of cases involving deaths at the hands of the police are referred to grand juries.  Grand juries are imperfect in that regard to date.   

I think the use of grand juries when prosecuting police is usually an out for prosecutors.  Grand juries will usually indict if the evidence is presented in a manner to show a crime was committed.  Prosecutors in many states don't have to go to a grand jury to get an indictment. Some of it may be bias of jurors but that's not what I suspect.  

17 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Kempski seems to suggest that Jalen Mills will be given the SS role.  I am not as convinced.  I think there will be an open competition between Mills, Park and Wallace with the best of the losers in that competition getting most of the snaps as the third S.  

Schwarts loves some Jalen Mills.  I do think it's an open competition but I also think Mills will have an advantage.  

6 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Mills has some big advantages, namely that he knows the defense and that Schwartz really loves him. My guess is that Mills will be given every chance to fail before anyone else moves ahead of him.

That being said, I think he would make a pretty good safety, especially in the Eagles' system. Plus, in the red zone, he can move to outside corner to get a smaller guy like Jones or Maddox off the field.

Its a huge change, very cerebral position. I concur with you on the redzone defense. I think he is one of the best coverage defenders in the division when the guy cant get behind him

6 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I think he starts TC with the ones but I also expect as the PS develops that each player gets some reps with the ones.  Wallace is signed for four years whereas Mills and Parks are both on one year contracts. 

Wallace feels like a year 2 starter to me. Hopefully he will take over that Jenk leadership role in time. I think we are all really excited about getting our guy, and he is a safety from clemson no less.

For know I am interested to see what Parks and Mills do opposite Rodney

1 hour ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

So the real question is.....what exact implementable actions (in the short and long term) need to take place to allow us to move forward and make positive changes?  It's clear what the message is, but it has to go somewhere from here.

how much would legalizing weed impact police activity in minority communities? honest question. i would expect it to alleviate alot of pressure pretty quickly at every level - from police interactions to arrests to incarceration no?

26 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Id like to see you work just one shift as a cop

Youre clueless

Whether a cop knows it or not a cop is in place to enforce and protect the domestic interests of those in power. Those interests in America are capital, goods and resources and the police exist to protect those interests from the working class. Riots and looting throughout history have been as an effort from the working class to redistribute resources and goods to the general public to even the scales. Cops in america were originally formed as night watchers and slave patrols to control minorities and slaves whom they viewed as property. Cops today function in the same way but instead to protect property and economic interests of those in power and to keep the masses from an equal share of those resources.The Military protects foreign economic interests. You really think we have 100s of military bases all over the world to keep peace and spread democracy or protect americans freedoms? 

80% of the worlds resources are controlled by 10% of the population. That includes water ,land ,gold ect...

In America 80% of stock is controlled by the top 10% of the population.

Whose job is it to accumulate and protect these resources for the 10%???

The police and the military.

You are correct i wouldnt last a day as a cop, id be miserable, i can find better ways to help protect and serve without being the muscle for capital hoarding.😒

Having said that i believe there are cops that are truly trying to make a positive difference i just think they can do so more effectively in a different profession that doesnt also ask them to enforce the exploitation of the working class for the ruling class.

 

 

50 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

You may be surprised but I have read the Bible, cover to cover.   I was being an a** when I was a kid and really showing some prejudice against religions.   My dad handed me his Bible and said read it.   

i like the honesty that woman displays.  I sure hope we come out of 2020 less divided and more willing to be charitable and reach out a hand to help each other.  

i'd vote for her

1 hour ago, Ace Nova said:

Most Veterans are pretty big into respecting the flag and the National Anthem so if you want to respect them; treat them like "human beings” and not as "numbers” then you will also respect the fact that they will stand for the National Anthem and that they will respect the flag. 

Mhmm. Where do you this think respecting the flag and national anthem falls on their lists of wants when compared to healthcare, homelessness, and job training?

 

We have homeless veterans in our Country and you’re talking about honoring them by standing for a flag and singing a song? I’m sure that’s what they want as they struggle for their next meal. At least Ace Nova didn’t kneel. 
 

I’ll say it again, so many people talk a big game about supporting our vets, yet they don’t support the legislation for our vets cause they’re "handouts”.

1 hour ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

So the real question is.....what exact implementable actions (in the short and long term) need to take place to allow us to move forward and make positive changes?  It's clear what the message is, but it has to go somewhere from here.

socio economic equality would be a good start.

Capitalism creates competition for resources which in turn creates aggression for acquisition of said resources resulting in exploitation of the weak.

80% of stock in the US is controlled by the top 10% of the population.

Around the world 80% of the worlds resources are controlled by 10% of the population.

Redistributing wealth resources goods and decreasing inequality in theory decreases aggression.

4 people in america have more wealth than the bottom half of america combined.

Restructure the tax code, provide universal health care, give living wages, decrease military budget and police spending. Put more towards education protecting infrastructure and protecting the environment. Elect government officials that serve and protect the peoples interests not corporations and the working class.

These are all steps that can foster equality and decrease aggression towards other over competition for resources.