Weird story out of Florida surrounding Reche Caldwell.  Murdered by 4 guys hiding in his bushes.  I don't want to take away from the George Floyd tragedy, because clearly there is an issue with some of the police in our country.  But murders like this happen on a daily basis all over our country.  It doesn't fit the racism narrative however.  

Here's a guy from the NFL fraternity.  Former teammate.  Apparently a great teammate at that.  Not a peep from guys like Malcolm Jenkins.  Why?   I honestly don't understand, not trying to be ignorant, just want to know why.

 

31 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

What’s been your social distancing/snack food of choice? I discovered these a few months back and they’re incredible. I’m sure @NoDak Eagle is familiar. 

Not sure why the photo is sideways...

They are incredible. Gone through many bags myself 

5 hours ago, Utebird said:

Did Madison run this past the native Americans before or after they were wiped out, or just past his fellow wigs?

Silly question. ( I had a few specialties in College as I got my undergraduate in history with credits towards a masters. One was Native American history). As a nation, I think we blew it.  But it is much more complex than many realize. The world has a long history of conquest and the results of it. 

Madison was a Democrat-Republican. The Whigs didn’t come along until Henry Clay in the 1830s. 

2 hours ago, zenclaybourne said:

They're not being counted as COVID-19 deaths. You're wrong. I am not going to get into what I do for a living, but you are wrong.

ha! ok! but they are. 

1 hour ago, DEagle7 said:

Absolutely not true. 

I believe if they have COVID they will contribute to the numbers. Though it doesnt mean they are calling that the cause of death.

1 hour ago, Allhaildawk said:

Run out of defense mechanisms, liar?  You exposed your true colors today and many of us thought you were better. Not in the viewpoint but in your lack of intellectual honesty or logic. Shame. 

the pathetic part of this is that you’re not capable of having someone disagree with you without the personal attacks and childishness  why are you so fragile?  It’s a discussion board  

looking forward to the months of butthurt passive aggressive responses to this. Cheers

After years of you posting here you really seem to have no idea who I am. None of this represents me at all. And youre still in the land of make believe. Its all based in your mis-reading of my posts when you got involved in the discussion. You really need to go back and re-read and realize your mistakes. really sad for you to act this way. 

25 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Weird story out of Florida surrounding Reche Caldwell.  Murdered by 4 guys hiding in his bushes.  I don't want to take away from the George Floyd tragedy, because clearly there is an issue with some of the police in our country.  But murders like this happen on a daily basis all over our country.  It doesn't fit the racism narrative however.  

Here's a guy from the NFL fraternity.  Former teammate.  Apparently a great teammate at that.  Not a peep from guys like Malcolm Jenkins.  Why?   I honestly don't understand, not trying to be ignorant, just want to know why.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I'm aware there were some out there, that's how I learned he was a good teammate and guy.  I'm saying a guy like Malcolm.  One of the leaders of these movements.  

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I'm aware there were some out there, that's how I learned he was a good teammate and guy.  I'm saying a guy like Malcolm.  One of the leaders of these movements.  

gotta wait till a criminal dies. Then black lives matter. 

On a regular day you dont hear about black lives matter. 

black security guard killed by rioters- doesnt matter.

criminal killed by cops- black lives matter.

Its pretty neat how that works. 

My opinion means nothing. It's one that is limited to my experiences. I'll never know what it is like to be African-American, nor can I attest to the struggles they face on a daily basis, especially with police. There is a police brutality problem that must be immediately addressed. But at the same time, based on crime statistics and education statistics, there is a violence problem and education problem within the African-American community that also must be simultaneously addressed. 

just saw that we got one of these emoticons now

24 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I'm aware there were some out there, that's how I learned he was a good teammate and guy.  I'm saying a guy like Malcolm.  One of the leaders of these movements.  

Malcolm Jenkins is one of the leaders of an anti-murder movement?

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

Weird story out of Florida surrounding Reche Caldwell.  Murdered by 4 guys hiding in his bushes.  I don't want to take away from the George Floyd tragedy, because clearly there is an issue with some of the police in our country.  But murders like this happen on a daily basis all over our country.  It doesn't fit the racism narrative however.  

Here's a guy from the NFL fraternity.  Former teammate.  Apparently a great teammate at that.  Not a peep from guys like Malcolm Jenkins.  Why?   I honestly don't understand, not trying to be ignorant, just want to know why.

 

The guys that killed Reche were most likely bad guys, maybe criminals.  Maybe Reche, although well liked and respected, was mixed up in some bad things.  Who knows?

The violence of black vs black is common and a problem but guys on the street have no obligations.  Police officers do.  They are supposed to protect people, not kill them.  I know every situation is tricky and police have an extremely difficult job to do.

When it's the police killing unarmed black men, they have a right to be outraged.  When it's just a regular black dude gunning down another they still are upset I'm sure but they cant blame anyone but those individuals involved.

People are protesting over here about George Floyd (yep) and have defaced statues of Abraham Lincoln and Winston Churchill.  Called Churchill a fascist, which is ironic with the whole helping to lead the cause to remove one of the biggest fascists ever in WW2.

Some of the young of today are sadly complete and utter brainwashed idiots. 

The biggest irony is they left the statue of the man who created the Modern Police, Robert Peel, alone.  Ignorance is bliss right?

14 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Malcolm Jenkins is one of the leaders of an anti-murder movement?

Apparently he needs to comment on every single murder with limited known details 

53 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I believe if they have COVID they will contribute to the numbers. Though it doesnt mean they are calling that the cause of death.

They do not. Not the mortality numbers. 

36 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

gotta wait till a criminal dies. Then black lives matter. 

On a regular day you dont hear about black lives matter. 

black security guard killed by rioters- doesnt matter.

criminal killed by cops- black lives matter.

Its pretty neat how that works. 

It's the media.  What they put out there is what people see.

I'm 1000% with African Americans and absolutely believe there is racism and cops targeting them.  Cops also target white and kill unarmed white people as well but not as much as they do blacks.

I hate to say it but sometimes when people are around police they need to shut the F up.  You see video all the time of dudes running their mouths to cops saying derogatory things and you wonder why they get aggressive.

I've been pulled over a few times the last 2 years for traffic violations and the cop was very rude and giving me attitude.  I wanted so bad to say something back and give it right back to him but I held my tongue not knowing what they might do. I know it's hard but you just have to shut up sometimes and move on.

FWIW, Caldwell got into some trouble once he stopped playing football. He spent some time in prison. 

Per Wikipedia...

On May 14, 2014, Caldwell was arrested for drug possession and intent to distribute.[11] On January 30, 2015, he was sentenced to 27 months in federal prison and three years probation for possession of MDMA with intent to distribute. In addition, he pleaded guilty to drug charges involving marijuana and ecstasy, along with charges involving gambling.[12][13]

On December 12, 2019, Caldwell was accused by the Justice Department of conspiracy to commit health care fraud.[14] He pleaded guilty to one charge of conspiracy to commit health fraud on January 23, 2020, and was set to be sentenced in June 2020.[15]

Count me amongst the few conservative voices who supports defunding the police.  I have no interest in defending the disgusting specifics of the arrest and murder of Floyd.  On a larger scale, when interpreting the statistics, both the progressive #blacklivesmatter and the conservative pro-police interpretations have some valid points about the numbers with police brutality and racism.  Call it an inevitable trickle of bad apples or call it widespread systemic racism...the verbiage is up to you...I think we'd all agree that the police need to do better in many instances.

What's the old cliche?...money talks and BS walks.  Let the market figure it out.  Every time this happens, fire off $50m from the PD funding or pensions to the family of the victim. See how quick they are to use a choke hold or pull the trigger then.  Maybe PD's reinvent themselves into a less aggressive force in the image everyone wants right now.  Or maybe more cops die, leave the field, and the response time when you call 911 balloons into something absurd.  The wealthier suburbs will find a way to finance this and will be fine, whereas the inner cities will not be well protected.  Then they may look at the police in a different light.  But maybe they'll be better off without a surplus of racist cops looking to rough people up and make unnecessary arrests.   

I'm not arguing in either direction.  But it seems that it may be time to find out.  At the systems and policy level, money is synonymous with action.  This one doesn't cost the taxpayer money.  So go for it.

Second round pick Jalen Hurts is playing for the Big 12 title on ESPNU right now. 

9 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

It's the media.  What they put out there is what people see.

I'm 1000% with African Americans and absolutely believe there is racism and cops targeting them.  Cops also target white and kill unarmed white people as well but not as much as they do blacks.

I hate to say it but sometimes when people are around police they need to shut the F up.  You see video all the time of dudes running their mouths to cops saying derogatory things and you wonder why they get aggressive.

I've been pulled over a few times the last 2 years for traffic violations and the cop was very rude and giving me attitude.  I wanted so bad to say something back and give it right back to him but I held my tongue not knowing what they might do. I know it's hard but you just have to shut up sometimes and move on.

Factually, they kill whites more, both in total numbers and when adjusted for crime.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Count me amongst the few conservative voices who supports defunding the police.  I have no interest in defending the disgusting specifics of the arrest and murder of Floyd.  On a larger scale, when interpreting the statistics, both the progressive #blacklivesmatter and the conservative pro-police interpretations have some valid points about the numbers with police brutality and racism.  Call it an inevitable trickle of bad apples or call it widespread systemic racism...the verbiage is up to you...I think we'd all agree that the police need to do better in many instances.

What's the old cliche?...money talks and BS walks.  Let the market figure it out.  Every time this happens, fire off $50m from the PD funding or pensions to the family of the victim. See how quick they are to use a choke hold or pull the trigger then.  Maybe PD's reinvent themselves into a less aggressive force in the image everyone wants right now.  Or maybe more cops die, leave the field, and the response time when you call 911 balloons into something absurd.  The wealthier suburbs will find a way to finance this and will be fine, whereas the inner cities will not be well protected.  Then they may look at the police in a different light.  But maybe they'll be better off without a surplus of racist cops looking to rough people up and make unnecessary arrests.   

I'm not arguing in either direction.  But it seems that it may be time to find out.  At the systems and policy level, money is synonymous with action.  This one doesn't cost the taxpayer money.  So go for it.

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, TEW said:

Factually, they kill whites more, both in total numbers and when adjusted for crime.

I wonder what they take into account.  Is it just police straight up shooting someone unarmed?  Was the victim being aggreive or threatening?  Were they trying to run away and gunned down?  Were they being choked?

Whites also make up a larger % of the population.

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

ha! ok! but they are. 

 

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

I believe if they have COVID they will contribute to the numbers. Though it doesnt mean they are calling that the cause of death.

 

15 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

They do not. Not the mortality numbers. 

The COVID mortality numbers are very frustrating.  I'm working on publishing and digesting neurological COVID complications...it is a horrible, labor intensive task due to the variability.  

What are 2 of the leading killers, in normal times, of Americans?  Heart disease and cancer.  

Let's start with heart disease.  Nearly 1,800 Americans die of heart disease per DAY.  The final cause of death in this case is usually myocardial infarction (MI), which is a thrombotic blockage of blood vessels.  COVID induces a hyper-coagulable state...which means someone is at a higher risk for having an MI.  If someone with COVID dies of an MI (or if an MI death is found to have COVID), was this one of the 1,800 per day we are supposed to have at baseline?  Or did COVID's hyper coagulable state cause someone to have an MI who otherwise would not have?  That's a question that cannot be answered.  But COVID is going to be on the death certificate.  

Cancer.   Final cause of death in cancer patients is usually pneumonia, DVT/PE, cardiopulmonary arrest.  1,700 per day.  A cancer patient dies and is COVID+.  Would they have continued their fight without COVID?  Or were they going to be one of the 1,700 regardless?  COVID will likely be on the certificate.  

These are being registered as COVID mortalities, which are very likely inflated.  On an individual case by case basis, we'll never even know if they are or are not due to COVID.  On a population level, the data basically needs to be controlled for expected deaths due to co-morbidities versus what we are currently seeing.  However, even that task is nearly impossible because behaviors have never been altered during modern human history to the extent they have been during COVID quarantine.  We already know we are seeing lower rates of these things because people are staying home and not working.

41 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

They do not. Not the mortality numbers. 

ok... I know youre a doctor, but thats not what other doctors have said. What are you basing this on?