13 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

 

 

The COVID mortality numbers are very frustrating.  I'm working on publishing and digesting neurological COVID complications...it is a horrible, labor intensive task due to the variability.  

What are 2 of the leading killers, in normal times, of Americans?  Heart disease and cancer.  

Let's start with heart disease.  Nearly 1,800 Americans die of heart disease per DAY.  The final cause of death in this case is usually myocardial infarction (MI), which is a thrombotic blockage of blood vessels.  COVID induces a hyper-coagulable state...which means someone is at a higher risk for having an MI.  If someone with COVID dies of an MI (or if an MI death is found to have COVID), was this one of the 1,800 per day we are supposed to have at baseline?  Or did COVID's hyper coagulable state cause someone to have an MI who otherwise would not have?  That's a question that cannot be answered.  But COVID is going to be on the death certificate.  

Cancer.   Final cause of death in cancer patients is usually pneumonia, DVT/PE, cardiopulmonary arrest.  1,700 per day.  A cancer patient dies and is COVID+.  Would they have continued their fight without COVID?  Or were they going to be one of the 1,700 regardless?  COVID will likely be on the certificate.  

These are being registered as COVID mortalities, which are very likely inflated.  On an individual case by case basis, we'll never even know if they are or are not due to COVID.  On a population level, the data basically needs to be controlled for expected deaths due to co-morbidities versus what we are currently seeing.  However, even that task is nearly impossible because behaviors have never been altered during modern human history to the extent they have been during COVID quarantine.  We already know we are seeing lower rates of these things because people are staying home and not working.

correct. 

1 minute ago, 315Eagles said:

I wonder what they take into account.  Is it just police straight up shooting someone unarmed?  Was the victim being aggreive or threatening?  Were they trying to run away and gunned down?  Were they being choked?

Whites also make up a larger % of the population.

You can find both total deaths and unarmed deaths. There have been some studies that attempted to untangle things like resisting arrest, but obviously it is very difficult to get that kind of data for so many crimes.  There was one study back around 2015 that attempted to do this, and going off memory, the findings were basically that whites were more likely to be shot or killed but blacks and Hispanics were more likely to have a physical confrontation when not resisting arrest.

As for the population, yes, obviously whites are ~60% of the population compared to ~12% for blacks.  But that is why you adjust for crime to get a more accurate number.

3 hours ago, Westbrook#36 said:

Remember when the Eagles drafted Jalen Hurts in the 2nd round? That was crazy!

Ah F... why'd you have to remind me of that waste of a 2nd round pick

32 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Count me amongst the few conservative voices who supports defunding the police.  I have no interest in defending the disgusting specifics of the arrest and murder of Floyd.  On a larger scale, when interpreting the statistics, both the progressive #blacklivesmatter and the conservative pro-police interpretations have some valid points about the numbers with police brutality and racism.  Call it an inevitable trickle of bad apples or call it widespread systemic racism...the verbiage is up to you...I think we'd all agree that the police need to do better in many instances.

What's the old cliche?...money talks and BS walks.  Let the market figure it out.  Every time this happens, fire off $50m from the PD funding or pensions to the family of the victim. See how quick they are to use a choke hold or pull the trigger then.  Maybe PD's reinvent themselves into a less aggressive force in the image everyone wants right now.  Or maybe more cops die, leave the field, and the response time when you call 911 balloons into something absurd.  The wealthier suburbs will find a way to finance this and will be fine, whereas the inner cities will not be well protected.  Then they may look at the police in a different light.  But maybe they'll be better off without a surplus of racist cops looking to rough people up and make unnecessary arrests.   

I'm not arguing in either direction.  But it seems that it may be time to find out.  At the systems and policy level, money is synonymous with action.  This one doesn't cost the taxpayer money.  So go for it.

It's funny because there's a good chance that your solution would piss off both the far left and the far right.  And that doesn't happen too often.   

 

43 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

ok... I know youre a doctor, but thats not what other doctors have said. What are you basing this on?

What other doctors have said we're including deaths with an incidental positive test in the past but clear alternative cause of death in the COVID mortality numbers?  No governing body has mandated or requested that, the hospital I work with absolutely does not, and I'm literally doing a digital happy hour right now with 5 other physicians spread out across California, Vegas, Philly, and New England (3 of whom work primarily with COVID patients right now in large academic centers) and 1 public health PhD who is part of setting up the Massachusetts tracking program who all laughed at the question.

I know it's something that had been spread around but I truly have no idea where it's coming from. If there's a negative test but highly suggestive history and physical for COVID, or if the cause of death is unknown and is likely related to COVID that might get labeled a COVID death given how awful the testing was at least initially. But I have not seen any evidence of a push anywhere to lump things with clear causes of death (like say clearly recorded physical asphyxiation) with COVID mortality numbers just because of a positive test in the past. 

17 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

WTF.... 

The council members should give out their cell phones to dial since 911 may be irrelevant 

3 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Floyd’s criminal history is irrelevant to the chokehold response. At the time of the chokehold, he was already in cuffs. What’s he going to do?  The chokehold was unnecessary and improper.

You really believe cops react the same to some who has a history of violence as they do to someone who has no history?

I'm not defending the cops action in this case but you'd better believe it makes a difference.

21 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

 

Well...that’s going to be an interesting social experiment. 

22 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

If that’s a means of getting the union out of there it’s a positive first step 

40 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Ah F... why'd you have to remind me of that waste of a 2nd round pick

Sure as hell beats reading a CVON thread when I come here to get away from CVON threads.

I get it though, the blog goes where the blog goes. 🤷‍♂️

23 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

WOW. This could have a massive domino effect where other cities are forced to follow suit. This murder really has become a watershed moment for police and policing.

26 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Where I live it really wouldn't make much difference. If we call 911 it's 20 to 30 minutes to get a cop to show up. We provide for own defense

3 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

Where I live it really wouldn't make much difference. If we call 911 it's 20 to 30 minutes to get a cop to show up. We provide for own defense

Is he bringing a pizza at least?

18 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

What other doctors have said we're including deaths with an incidental positive test in the past but clear alternative cause of death in the COVID mortality numbers?  No governing body has mandated or requested that, the hospital I work with absolutely does not, and I'm literally doing a digital happy hour right now with 5 other physicians spread out across California, Vegas, Philly, and New England (3 of whom work primarily with COVID patients right now in large academic centers) and 1 public health PhD who is part of setting up the Massachusetts tracking program who all laughed at the question.

I know it's something that had been spread around but I truly have no idea where it's coming from. If there's a negative test but highly suggestive history and physical for COVID, or if the cause of death is unknown and is likely related to COVID that might get labeled a COVID death given how awful the testing was at least initially. But I have not seen any evidence of a push anywhere to lump things with clear causes of death (like say clearly recorded physical asphyxiation) with COVID mortality numbers just because of a positive test in the past. 

Thats been a thing at Leigh Valley. 

I know its been spread around as part of the plandemic conspiracy, but I actually saw a doctor going through step by step debunking all the claims made in that video, and he also still explained it the way I did. Sort of explained why it is like that though, to educate people that its not part of the conspiracy. 

9 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Is he bringing a pizza at least?

Hehe. No pizza delivery here.

One of the few things I miss is GOOD pizza.

6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Thats been a thing at Leigh Valley. 

I know its been spread around as part of the plandemic conspiracy, but I actually saw a doctor going through step by step debunking all the claims made in that video, and he also still explained it the way I did. Sort of explained why it is like that though, to educate people that its not part of the conspiracy. 

My daughter is a therapist at a large hospital in Florida. She told me that is someone dies with Covid they're instructed to report they died OF Covid because their Medicare (Medicaid) reimbursement is greater.

6 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

My daughter is a therapist at a large hospital in Florida. She told me that is someone dies with Covid they're instructed to report they died OF Covid because their Medicare (Medicaid) reimbursement is greater.

well, they should. I dont remember the exact numbers but something like COVID patient hospital gets re-imbursed 13,000 dollars. COVID on ventilator hospital gets re-imbursed 34,000 dollars. those may not be exact but they are ballpark correct.

The plandemic video made it sound like this was just a big moneymaking scheme and people ended up on vents who didnt even need them because the hospital made more money.

In reality, it costs the hospital that much or more to care for a covid patient. Its just a reimbursement. Not a payment.

 

And theres no reason Covid shouldnt go on the certificate. 

Again take a usual pre-covid days. Patient has diabetes, hypertension, obesity, and dies of the flu. All of those co-morbidities are listed. Not just what actually killed the patient.

So, why should Covid NOT be listed? Its only playing by the same rules theyve always used. 

 

Heres the video I mentioned earlier. Its an interesting watch and he talks about this in there at some point.

 

7 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

well, they should. I dont remember the exact numbers but something like COVID patient hospital gets re-imbursed 13,000 dollars. COVID on ventilator hospital gets re-imbursed 34,000 dollars. those may not be exact but they are ballpark correct.

The plandemic video made it sound like this was just a big moneymaking scheme and people ended up on vents who didnt even need them because the hospital made more money.

In reality, it costs the hospital that much or more to care for a covid patient. Its just a reimbursement. Not a payment.

 

And theres no reason Covid shouldnt go on the certificate. 

Again take a usual pre-covid days. Patient has diabetes, hypertension, obesity, and dies of the flu. All of those co-morbidities are listed. Not just what actually killed the patient.

So, why should Covid NOT be listed? Its only playing by the same rules theyve always used. 

 

Heres the video I mentioned earlier. Its an interesting watch and he talks about this in there at some point.

 

My grandmother is 93.  Got sick.  Went to the hospital.   They tested her 5 times for Covid.  Poor lady has Alzheimer's. Can't imagine what was going through her head.  Bottom line though, 5 times seems to be a bit over the top.  Test once negative.  OK run a 2nd test to confirm.  Still negative, might as well run 3 more tests.  Blows my mind.

10 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

My grandmother is 93.  Got sick.  Went to the hospital.   They tested her 5 times for Covid.  Poor lady has Alzheimer's. Can't imagine what was going through her head.  Bottom line though, 5 times seems to be a bit over the top.  Test once negative.  OK run a 2nd test to confirm.  Still negative, might as well run 3 more tests.  Blows my mind.

ha! at first I thought you meant your grandmother had alzheimers. Not the nurse!

In all seriousness though, yeah I dont get 5 times. Unless they thought she was exposed at some point again after being in that could explain at least 1, maybe 2 of the re-tests.

Maybe there were still guessing on how long after transmission that a test would finally show a positive as well? Could she have even ended up somehow signed up to participate in research that would have required that?

Dont know...

 

47 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

WTF.... 

The council members should give out their cell phones to dial since 911 may be irrelevant 

 

42 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

 

Well...that’s going to be an interesting social experiment. 

You guys do realize Camden, NJ the "most dangerous place in America”, did this almost a decade ago, right? It doesn’t mean no cops, it means breaking the current format, starting over and being more involved in the community 

4 hours ago, Westbrook#36 said:

Remember when the Eagles drafted Jalen Hurts in the 2nd round? That was crazy!

Nah, it shows how much the Eagles value the QB position and how necessary they find it to have a high caliber back up on the roster.  Two straight one year deals for Sudfeld is a factor.

7 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Thats been a thing at Leigh Valley. 

I know its been spread around as part of the plandemic conspiracy, but I actually saw a doctor going through step by step debunking all the claims made in that video, and he also still explained it the way I did. Sort of explained why it is like that though, to educate people that its not part of the conspiracy. 

There have been cases where there is a specific and clearly identifiable cause of death is there, yet they list it with the COVID mortality numbers because of a positive test in the past despite no clear relation to cause of death?  I find that very hard to believe and that would be a reportable problem.  Again no organizing or governing medical society/body is asked people do that.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

well, they should. I dont remember the exact numbers but something like COVID patient hospital gets re-imbursed 13,000 dollars. COVID on ventilator hospital gets re-imbursed 34,000 dollars.

The plandemic video made it sound like this was just a big moneymaking scheme and people ended up on vents who didnt even need them because the hospital made more money.

In reality, it costs the hospital that much or more to care for a covid patient. Its just a reimbursement. Not a payment.

 

And theres no reason Covid shouldnt go on the certificate. 

Again take a usual pre-covid days. Patient has diabetes, hypertension, obesity, and dies of the flu. All of those co-morbidities are listed. Not just what actually killed the patient.

So, why should Covid NOT be listed? Its only playing by the same rules theyve always used. 

Listing it as a part of their medical history on a death discharge summary is very different than it being listed as a COVID related death to the national reporting agencies.  Guy gets into a car accident the CDC isn't tracking his death as related to diabetes, hypertension, flu or whatever else happens to be in his medical history when they're preparing annual reports.  

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

ha! at first I thought you meant your grandmother had alzheimers. Not the nurse!

What's even worse is the hospital didn't have any concern with her Alzheimer's.  My grandmother doesn't know to feed herself.  Doesn't know to drink when thirsty.  Didn't know anything about buzzing for a nurse, even if they told her she would have forgot in 10 minutes.  My mom had to continually call and remind them to get her drinks.  

3 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

There have been cases where there is a specific and clearly identifiable cause of death is there, yet they list it with the COVID mortality numbers because of a positive test in the past despite no clear relation to cause of death?  I find that very hard to believe and that would be a reportable problem.  Again no organizing or governing medical society/body is asked people do that.

Listing it as a part of their medical history on a death discharge summary is very different than it being listed as a COVID related death to the national reporting agencies.  Guy gets into a car accident the CDC isn't tracking his death as related to diabetes, hypertension, flu or whatever else happens to be in his medical history when they're preparing annual reports.  

Im not saying a positive test in the past as in maybe they had it a month ago, and were fully recovered and then die later of something else. Im talking about a hospitalized patient with a current COVID infection who may die of something else while in the hospital. Covid is still listed.