5 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

What's even worse is the hospital didn't have any concern with her Alzheimer's.  My grandmother doesn't know to feed herself.  Doesn't know to drink when thirsty.  Didn't know anything about buzzing for a nurse, even if they told her she would have forgot in 10 minutes.  My mom had to continually call and remind them to get her drinks.  

thats not good. its frustrating when the level of care is so poor. Thats how hazleton's hospital has been for many many years when it was Hazleton General, and now even as part of the lehigh valley system. 

On the other hand I was a patient in an ED somewhere else once and my wife took me... had our older son with us. And all of those people were so good to him helping keep him entertained and even serving him drinks and snacks. I was shocked with the attention they gave him.

7 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

You guys do realize Camden, NJ the "most dangerous place in America”, did this almost a decade ago, right? It doesn’t mean no cops, it means breaking the current format, starting over and being more involved in the community 

Ah, that makes sense.  How is it working out in Camden? 

3 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

After years of you posting here you really seem to have no idea who I am. None of this represents me at all. And youre still in the land of make believe. Its all based in your mis-reading of my posts when you got involved in the discussion. You really need to go back and re-read and realize your mistakes. really sad for you to act this way. 

Dead wrong but again nice attempt at deflection. 
 

you posted he should have been batoned to "throw him” in a car. You were ignorant to the fact that he was already in a car. 
 

We’re about the same age. By now you should have developed the emotional resiliency to hear that you’re wrong without giving into the reflex to attack back with lies, deflections, capitalized crudeness (a$$, really guy?), and obviously false petty personal attacks (you can’t read!!!). 
 

I didn’t do that. You did. Be better. Stop being fragile. You can accept that you’re wrong without lashing out like a five year old only child. I know you wont, and that this is a wasted exercise because you’ve always been this way but something will sneak into your mind somewhere. 
 

in the meantime go ahead and spin the wheel of emb defense mechanisms. What’s it going to be this time?  I know you are but what I am I?  Don’t have time?  You can’t read?  
 

be better. You can. 

Just now, Allhaildawk said:

Dead wrong but again nice attempt at deflection. 
 

you posted he should have been batoned to "throw him” in a car. You were ignorant to the fact that he was already in a car. 
 

We’re about the same age. By now you should have developed the emotional resiliency to hear that you’re wrong without giving into the reflex to attack back with lies, deflections, capitalized crudeness (a$$, really guy?), and obviously false petty personal attacks (you can’t read!!!). 
 

I didn’t do that. You did. Be better. Stop being fragile. You can accept that you’re wrong without lashing out like a five year old only child. I know you wont, and that this is a wasted exercise because you’ve always been this way but something will sneak into your mind somewhere. 
 

in the meantime go ahead and spin the wheel of emb defense mechanisms. What’s it going to be this time?  I know you are but what I am I?  Don’t have time?  You can’t read?  
 

be better. You can. 

nah its still pretty freaking clear you couldnt interpret a very clearly written post. Sorry you got insulted by me pointing that out but a productive discussion wasnt really possible when you started getting so much of what I said wrong. I cant waste my time responding to you questioning me on things I didnt say. And even now, you wont stop. Your education system has failed you and now its become my problem. Thats frustrating. 

13 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

You guys do realize Camden, NJ the "most dangerous place in America”, did this almost a decade ago, right? It doesn’t mean no cops, it means breaking the current format, starting over and being more involved in the community 

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The new department took over primary responsibility for policing the City of Camden on May 1, 2013.^[1] It reached its full complement of 401 sworn officers on June 7, 2013, when 92 recruits were commissioned.^[10]

On October 1, 2013, the results of a vote by County Police officers to unionize were announced. By a margin of two votes, the New Jersey Fraternal Order of Police (NJFOP) was selected to represent the officers. The previous month, superior officers voted to be represented by the NJFOP.^[11]

So they still ended up with a union

6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Im not saying a positive test in the past as in maybe they had it a month ago, and were fully recovered and then die later of something else. Im talking about a hospitalized patient with a current COVID infection who may die of something else while in the hospital. Covid is still listed. 

Again there is a big difference in being listed in the hospital record and being reported to the CDC and added into their mortality numbers. Unless the death can be attributed to COVID in some way then while it is listed in the hospital record, it is absolutely not being reported to the CDC as a COVID death. If they're COVID positive and cause of death is murky and it feasibly could have been factor then sure, but you brought it up in the context of Floyd being choked to death and a drowning.  Regardless of COVID status neither of those cases would be reported as a COVID death by any institution worth anything.

9 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Again there is a big difference in being listed in the hospital record and being reported to the CDC and added into their mortality numbers. Unless the death can be attributed to COVID in some way then while it is listed in the hospital record, it is absolutely not being reported to the CDC as a COVID death. If they're COVID positive and cause of death is murky and it feasibly could have been factor then sure, but you brought it up in the context of Floyd being choked to death and a drowning.  Regardless of COVID status neither of those cases would be reported as a COVID death by any institution worth anything.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-pressuring-cdc-change-coronavirus-toll-method-daily-beast-2020-5

8 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

So they still ended up with a union

Sure but they are now county controlled as opposed to state 

13 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Again there is a big difference in being listed in the hospital record and being reported to the CDC and added into their mortality numbers. Unless the death can be attributed to COVID in some way then while it is listed in the hospital record, it is absolutely not being reported to the CDC as a COVID death. If they're COVID positive and cause of death is murky and it feasibly could have been factor then sure, but you brought it up in the context of Floyd being choked to death and a drowning.  Regardless of COVID status neither of those cases would be reported as a COVID death by any institution worth anything.

Birx, who serves on the White House’s coronavirus task force, said: "If someone dies with covid-19, we are counting that as a covid-19 death.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/04/08/tucker-carlsons-brit-humes-faulty-theories-about-coronavirus-deaths-being-exaggerated/

2 hours ago, 315Eagles said:

but guys on the street have no obligations. 

Pretty much agree with everything you said except this.   All of us as citizens have an obligation when dealing with other people to act lawfully.  

21 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Ah, that makes sense.  How is it working out in Camden? 

I moved away from the area shortly after so I haven’t seen it first hand. But from statistics from articles it seems to be doing better.

https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/01/what-happened-to-crime-in-camden/549542/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wusa9.com/amp/article/news/local/protests/stopping-systemic-racism-in-police-departments-protests/65-c8f377a4-c2d4-4659-86e0-3fd13ec3dbc2

It’s probably what Minneapolis needs. If you do nothing, residents won’t trust police. So hit the reset button, focus on community and grow together. 
 

I also wasn’t trying to come in hot on this. The tweet as it reads does sound misleading. But there will always be a police force, just different ideologies. 

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Sure but they are now county controlled as opposed to state 

?

I thought most city/county police departments are controlled by the city or county.  State police/state troopers are controlled by the state, no? 
 

 

3 hours ago, UK Eagle said:

The biggest irony is they left the statue of the man who created the Modern Police, Robert Peel, alone.  Ignorance is bliss right?

Emma Peel’s husband?  I know he died but before that he was one lucky ****. 

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

 

 

The COVID mortality numbers are very frustrating.  I'm working on publishing and digesting neurological COVID complications...it is a horrible, labor intensive task due to the variability.  

What are 2 of the leading killers, in normal times, of Americans?  Heart disease and cancer.  

Let's start with heart disease.  Nearly 1,800 Americans die of heart disease per DAY.  The final cause of death in this case is usually myocardial infarction (MI), which is a thrombotic blockage of blood vessels.  COVID induces a hyper-coagulable state...which means someone is at a higher risk for having an MI.  If someone with COVID dies of an MI (or if an MI death is found to have COVID), was this one of the 1,800 per day we are supposed to have at baseline?  Or did COVID's hyper coagulable state cause someone to have an MI who otherwise would not have?  That's a question that cannot be answered.  But COVID is going to be on the death certificate.  

Cancer.   Final cause of death in cancer patients is usually pneumonia, DVT/PE, cardiopulmonary arrest.  1,700 per day.  A cancer patient dies and is COVID+.  Would they have continued their fight without COVID?  Or were they going to be one of the 1,700 regardless?  COVID will likely be on the certificate.  

These are being registered as COVID mortalities, which are very likely inflated.  On an individual case by case basis, we'll never even know if they are or are not due to COVID.  On a population level, the data basically needs to be controlled for expected deaths due to co-morbidities versus what we are currently seeing.  However, even that task is nearly impossible because behaviors have never been altered during modern human history to the extent they have been during COVID quarantine.  We already know we are seeing lower rates of these things because people are staying home and not working.

Common sense throughout.  I have been saying this from the beginning.  100k+ deaths and the report is this may be inaccurate to the low side.  It may be inaccurate towards the high side too. The comorbidity factors make it difficult to measure.  Thanks. 

WTF?

21 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Pretty much agree with everything you said except this.   All of us as citizens have an obligation when dealing with other people to act lawfully.  

That's true.  We all do but we arent cops and they have a different set of obligations.

25 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

?

I thought most city/county police departments are controlled by the city or county.  State police/state troopers are controlled by the state, no? 
 

 

Depends on the situation. The State took over back in the early 2000’s because they weren’t happy with what was going on. 

3 hours ago, 315Eagles said:

I've been pulled over a few times the last 2 years for traffic violations and the cop was very rude and giving me attitude.  I wanted so bad to say something back and give it right back to him but I held my tongue not knowing what they might do. I know it's hard but you just have to shut up sometimes and move on.

I feel no obligation to hold my tongue and neither should anybody else, regardless of what they look like. Unfortunately, the latter part of that statement isn’t the reality.  The police should never lose sight of the fact they are public servants and serve all of us.  

22 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-pressuring-cdc-change-coronavirus-toll-method-daily-beast-2020-5

Birx was part of a very transparent effort to decrease the numbers pushed by the white house, but politics, catchy headlines, and exaggerations aside this is what she wanted to correct:

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Sources told the Daily Beast that Dr. Deborah Birx, the task force's response coordinator, had urged the CDC to exclude two categories of people from its death count: people who were presumed to have the virus but didn't have confirmed test results, and people who did have the virus but may not have died from it.

Key word there being "may"  meaning the physician would have had to be positive that the death was related to COVID to list it as a cause of death, even if it was likely.  Listing it as a COVID related death when COVID is likely, or even potential but not confirmed is not the same as attributing it as a cause of death when the cause is clearly unrelated like asphyxiation or drowning.  The former is something that happens, the latter is not.

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

nah its still pretty freaking clear you couldnt interpret a very clearly written post. Sorry you got insulted by me pointing that out but a productive discussion wasnt really possible when you started getting so much of what I said wrong. I cant waste my time responding to you questioning me on things I didnt say. And even now, you wont stop. Your education system has failed you and now its become my problem. Thats frustrating. 

Lol proving me right yet again. So that’s where the wheel stopped. I’d put my education up against yours any day of the week my man

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

I feel no obligation to hold my tongue and neither should anybody else, regardless of what they look like. Unfortunately, the latter part of that statement isn’t the reality.  The police should never lose sight of the fact they are public servants and serve all of us.  

Dealing with police is always infuriating. No matter how right you are, you know that the best outcome for yourself is almost always to just deescalate and then fight whatever it is in court.

On 6/4/2020 at 6:38 PM, HazletonEagle said:

He probably deserved a little dead legger with the baton to weaken him up for a second so they could shove him in the car. Nothing more. (And before anyone thinks thats horrible and racist Id suggest the same treatment for a white person that causes the police to struggle for minutes trying to shove him in the car while he resists it as well).

As I was trying to find out before, after they gave up on getting him in the car because of his resistance, and they pinned him on the ground, ... The only thing that makes sense to me is if there was a different vehicle with a larger door such as a van that they could more easily throw him in. But I dont know...

Your words. Your ignorance. HE WAS IN THE CAR. HE WAS PULLED THROUGH THE SUV. Your inaccuracy, your ignorance of the facts. You’re wrong. 
 

So besides attacking me for interpreting your words as he deserved to be batoned to put him in the car, how would you like to explain he deserved to be batoned to get him into the car?  
 

cue the deflection/dodge and same tired personal attack horse crap in 3...2...1...
 

my moneys on "didn’t read”

10 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Birx was part of a very transparent effort to decrease the numbers pushed by the white house, but politics, catchy headlines, and exaggerations aside this is what she wanted to correct:

Key word there being "may"  meaning the physician would have had to be positive that the death was related to COVID to list it as a cause of death, even if it was likely.  Listing it as a COVID related death when COVID is likely, or even potential but not confirmed is not the same as attributing it as a cause of death when the cause is clearly unrelated like asphyxiation or drowning.  The former is something that happens, the latter is not.

by the way, Im not the one who brought up COVID in relation to the Floyd case.

At best, its unclear how these deaths are being coded. And you may know a few doctors from a few hospitals that have done it differently. But its been written in a lot of sources that theyve been over-reported. The doctor in the video explained it that way as well even though he was actually debunking a conspiracy. And of course, it just makes sense if it costs that much to take care of a COVID patient, then a hospital will want that reimbursement. 

There are sources that show Trump, and Birx saying they are over-reported. And there are other sources probably from a different point in time that show Trump, Birx, and Fauci saying they are accurate or even under-reported. So who knows.

15 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I feel no obligation to hold my tongue and neither should anybody else, regardless of what they look like. Unfortunately, the latter part of that statement isn’t the reality.  The police should never lose sight of the fact they are public servants and serve all of us.  

I find if you are nicer to them there's a chance you go away with a warning and not a ticket and insurance spike

13 minutes ago, Allhaildawk said:

Lol proving me right yet again. So that’s where the wheel stopped. I’d put my education up against yours any day of the week my man

but those reading skills though...